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Post Options Post Options   Quote vbpholaw Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 December 2014 at 05:23
PhotoTech did service my 600/4 and did a good job. That was about two years ago. Good memory.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote momech Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 December 2014 at 17:05
A quick follow up. I talked to a couple of repair facilities - although not directly to Sony - and the consensus: "It's Dead"; "We can't get parts from Sony"; and "The last one we sent to Sony they didn't repair, just offered to give credit for a new flash if there was a warranty". Maybe other places could do better, but I've decided to find another flash.

I did a quick search for another 58. Amazon had several new/old stock listed, but all for significantly more than the 60 model. Even the used ones were more than a new 60. Found several used at KEH for a reasonable price so ordered one.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Pirate Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 December 2014 at 20:27
Originally posted by momech momech wrote:

I've decided to find another flash.

Ahoy!

I bought a Sony HVL-56AM for GBP £85.00 delivered which was a bit of a steal not that long ago (it was listed in the Dyxum external sales thread) but have since sold it in favour of the Minolta 5600HS(D) which is the same unit of which I had 2x copies and sold one of those as well. Is the 58AM offering something that either the 56AM or 5600HS(D) doesn't?

All things considered, and just for reference, had you looked on the Sony website regarding compatibility between flashgun models and bodies (whether an adapter is required, limited functionality or full functional)? I see you've already ordered another gun, but you might find this link handy as a reference though I haven't checked to see if it's fully up-to-date in terms of new camera models. Fortunately it's one aspect I don't have to be concerned about, though for SLT owners, it might be worth adding it to your Bookmarks or Favourites.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote momech Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 December 2014 at 23:01
I like the extra power and the rotating head comes in handy occasionally. Thanks for the compatibility table though. Might be a good idea to stick that in the data base.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote stiuskr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 December 2014 at 00:13
The compatibility chart is now a sticky topic in the Lighting sub forum. Thanks Pirate, nice find!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Pirate Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 December 2014 at 23:15
Originally posted by stiuskr stiuskr wrote:

The compatibility chart is now a sticky topic in the Lighting sub forum. Thanks Pirate, nice find!

Ahoy!

Well, it seems I might've done something right for a change, but I'm pleased that it was found to be deemed as useful, though I would suggest that you add a note on the post that it's subject to change and for those looking to cross-reference as the information may be different from one Sony site to another (it's not uncommon).

Is there anything else missing that you need info for? Here's the KM Support URL for Maxxum/Dynax 5D/7D DSLR's and various other KM DiMAGE cameras and scanners with firmware, software, user manuals and specs in English, German and French. I know this isn't the right thread for this info so you might want to move/amend it or just list the URL and delete this post. I tend to find sites that may not be known by Dyxumers though a specific Dyxum URL/link or MOD to contact would be helpful for future reference.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote kurja Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 January 2015 at 11:09
Were these camera repair shops where you asked, or general 'electric appliance' repair shops? People with skills to fix tv's and such might be able to fix the problem with your flash if it's a dead igbt or such.
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Forget about repairing it or any other flash. Doing it yourself is nuts -- unless you know what you are doing, and besides even if you figure out what the problem is (difficult on these computerized wonders), if you need a part you can't buy one -- other than finding a DEAD copy -- which is even crazier.

And having someone else fix it is either more expensive than finding a used one -- or they can't repair it, because they can't get parts either (as mentioned above).

Best of all the Minolta 5600 (and Sony F56AM -- same thing) is basically the same flash -- same power, same GN, same tilts, same features basically -- unless you do a lot of wireless stuff. AND A LOT LESS expensive, less bulky, less weight. OK, the 58AM has a 16mm wide panel, and the 5600 only goes to 17mm.

I've gotten my Minolta 5600's for about $10 each.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote neilt3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 April 2024 at 01:34
Originally posted by XKAES XKAES wrote:

Forget about repairing it or any other flash. Doing it yourself is nuts -- unless you know what you are doing, and besides even if you figure out what the problem is (difficult on these computerized wonders), if you need



a part you can't buy one -- other than finding a DEAD copy -- which is even crazier.

And having someone else fix it is either more expensive than finding a used one -- or they can't repair it, because they can't get parts either (as mentioned above).

Best of all the Minolta 5600 (and Sony F56AM -- same thing) is basically the same flash -- same power, same GN, same tilts, same features basically -- unless you do a lot of wireless stuff. AND A LOT LESS expensive, less bulky, less weight. OK, the 58AM has a 16mm wide panel, and the 5600 only goes to 17mm.

I've gotten my Minolta 5600's for about $10 each.


I'm sure after 9 years they've already either repaired it or replaced it already !
You realise this thread is from 2014 ?
Back then this flash was worth more and might have been worth paying for a repair .


Edited by neilt3 - 02 April 2024 at 01:37
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Post Options Post Options   Quote XKAES Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 April 2024 at 19:40
For all of you members who actually read old messages for the wealth of information that they contain, you might be interested in a simple flash comparison test that I just completed.

Out of curiosity, I compared the power potential of my Vivitar 283 with my Minolta 5600HS D (same as the Sony F56AM), and my Sony F58AM. I determined the GN for ISO 100 in feet. The 283 has a fixed coverage for a 35mm lens (it can be adjusted using add-on filters), and the Minolta and Sony were set for the 35mm setting. All were tested at full power, of course.

Here are the GNs I determined with my Minolta Flashmeter:

Vivitar 283 -- 140
Minolta 5600HS D / Sony F56AM -- 130
Sony F58AM -- 130

The Minolta has additional features that the Vivitar lacks -- even when using its numerous accessories -- and the Sony has features that the Minolta lacks, but if sheer power is a concern, all of these are great options.




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Post Options Post Options   Quote neilt3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 April 2024 at 01:05
Originally posted by XKAES XKAES wrote:

For all of you members who actually read old messages for the wealth of information that they contain, you might be interested in a simple flash comparison test that I just completed.

Out of curiosity, I compared the power potential of my Vivitar 283 with my Minolta 5600HS D (same as the Sony F56AM), and my Sony F58AM. I determined the GN for ISO 100 in feet. The 283 has a fixed coverage for a 35mm lens (it can be adjusted using add-on filters), and the Minolta and Sony were set for the 35mm setting. All were tested at full power, of course.

Here are the GNs I determined with my Minolta Flashmeter:

Vivitar 283 -- 140
Minolta 5600HS D / Sony F56AM -- 130
Sony F58AM -- 130

The Minolta has additional features that the Vivitar lacks -- even when using its numerous accessories -- and the Sony has features that the Minolta lacks, but if sheer power is a concern, all of these are great options.






I have all those flashes , several of the Minolta and Vivitar .
All good flashes , the Vivitars I use with cameras that don't have TTL flash control , typically medium format and large format.
They work well with optical triggers.
It's odd that you've found the Sony 58 and 56 have the same output , but there's not supposed to be a big difference in output anyway.
Guess that's Sony pulling a fast one getting you to upgrade !
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Post Options Post Options   Quote michelb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 April 2024 at 01:28
Funny since Sony claims a GN of 38m for the HVL-F56AM at the 35mm setting for ISO 100 so basically 124,6 feet
And the GN for for the HVL-F58AM is rated at 36m which would be 118,1 feet

All of the flash units that have an internal zoom are usually rated at the maximum zoom position but this shows how sometimes higher rated flash units are over-rated at normal or wide angle position.

I find it a bit bizarre that you got the same reading for both the Sony units where there should be a slight difference in favor of the 56.

The Vivitar would have been rated at GN 120 feet for ISO 100.

The numbers you show are kind of high for all 3 models.

What was your test procedure ? Distance, room reflectivity, reading meter head.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote XKAES Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 April 2024 at 01:45
The results somewhat surprised me as well. First, the Vivitar, according to Vivitar, has a GN of 120 at ISO 100, and that was what I expected -- even though I see well respected web--sites listing its GN as 110 and even 64 -- no kidding:

"The 283 is powerful for it's compact size but sometimes its power is over stated. I'm sure its guide number of 110 is a little optimistic."

But I get 140 -- better than expected -- using the flash exactly 10 feet from the flashmeter with a flat incident head.

I was also surprised that the F58AM wasn't at least a little bit more powerful than the Minolta 5600. It's larger and heavier, and has more features, but apparently has a similarly capable capacitor. Since the additional features are not really helpful to me, I'll stick with the Minolta 5600 (and the Minolta 3600 and 2500 -- both very capable with ADI capability).
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