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    Posted: 19 July 2017 at 10:02
Righto, wife's workmate likes a "little" panorama of her retirement heaven enough that she's looking to have it printed.
Wish I really had known that before taking the shots as it was all handheld with a lens not really suited for the situation, used my birding rig.

Looking at her options it seems it's either going to be a 12x24 or 20x40 print on metal so now I'm looking for crop options.

Original shot as it came out of the stitch, it's 15878x6400 pixels (MS ICE auto complete "gave" me an extra 400 pixels.

DSC09413_stitch by Johan Olsson, on Flickr

Fiddled with the crop here and done some small tweaks.

DSC09413_stitch-2 by Johan Olsson, on Flickr

Looking back again it seems I cloned out some foreground in my original that didn't carry over to the crop, I'd have to clone it out again.

Looking for suggestions for crop from the original and colour/exposure, don't really trust my little laptop screen enough after having some prints done of the stepson's wedding that came back with a greenish tint.

 



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due to an overwhelming response , I'll toss in my 1 cent?
for what it's worth??

1st of all that heaven/haven looks very nice and love the view!
and the idea is great?!!
at 1st glance my vote w/b for #2?
because the property appears to be larger, trees seem to be more impressive?
concerning the 'foreground interest' however, the 'placement' of the black cow on the right and fence in the back are better in crop 1
(rule of 3rds!).

colours do look kind of natural, but light seems to be on the harsh side?
and it's very yellowish/greenish (due to time of day/season?), so that would have to go with the interior?!

did you try to calibrate your screen?

(Eizo screen here. never calibrated, but every print so far -mainly calendars and some stuff published in mags/papers (RGB > CMYK!) on request a.o.- showed the exact same colours etc. that screen displayed.
I would get really, ...... frustrated if I couldn't depend on my screen?! (hence the purchase of an Eizo long ago).
(I also have 2 (Braun) digi frames, 15" and https://www.amazon.co.uk/Braun-DigiFrame-3200-digital-frames/dp/B001N5M45U, that both have a brilliant display as well).
can't you attach a calibrated 'bigger' screen to your laptop?

speaking of... strikes me every time how the laptoppies of friends tend to 'kill' my pics! or 'change' them to put it mildly.
usually on extremely bright, reflective screens.
not to mention the wide screen of my friend C., that stretches every pic horizontally ).

IMHO it w/b sheer impossible to use 'advice' on colours, unless you can see for yourself?
exposure seems fine, nice and bright, you didn't seem to have blown out the whites.
if you were me, -no offense!-, you would try to make a couple of other pics during golden hours?
(hopefully with somewhat 'hazier' trees as well?) and see what would happen to the enormous chunk of yellow/green i.e. the main component of your image?!

whatever you decide, hope it will work out fine!
good luck!!

PS.?
when preparing for print, always check the gamut warning!
esp. when there is a lot of blue in the pic ...not! ;-)


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If I read it correctly, you want the 1:2.5 panorama changed into a 1:2. I must say I like the original better then the crop - I like the wideness. It is good thing you retained the two cows to the left, but then you loose the brown cow lying down to the right. Almost impossible this...

Cheap laptops have cheap screens. Even a lot more expensive laptops have bad screens. The building is white? Use that to set the white balance.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote SnowFella Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 July 2017 at 09:23
Thanks Angora!
Was starting to think the post was invisible.

The property is indeed quite large, although the cattle side of the fence is outside of it, but by rural Australian "standards" is tiny.

Colour is indeed funny, did my WB against the "house" that I know is an off grey colour but might indeed have boosted the yellow/greens too much in post. Being mid winter down here and with not much rain lately the colour is very muted. Dry yellow grass against evergreen trees in the background.
As it came out of camera with just crop, WB and some clones done it's looking like this. Just the nature of the land and vegetation and shooting around midday.


DSC09413_stitch-3 by Johan Olsson, on Flickr

And I do think I'm going to suggest to her to come back and re-shoot it, though I've already had to stop her from doing a large print of a 2048 pixel wide shot I uploaded to Facebook For now what I'll likely do is order her a 30x60cm print as I can get one done real cheap, specials on at the moment and figure out a time when I can come back and put some real effort into a "proper" take on it.

Edit: think this is what I'm going to go for at this stage and call it a birthday present to her at 30x60cm as a metal print. Same WB and crop but just moved some cattle around and cleaned up the right hand foreground.


DSC09413_stitch-4 by Johan Olsson, on Flickr

For some reason she want's my watermark somewhere in the shot but I'm not convinced I'd want it added anywhere in the image, low center might "work" but I don't think it's needed/justified.

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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

If I read it correctly, you want the 1:2.5 panorama changed into a 1:2. I must say I like the original better then the crop - I like the wideness. It is good thing you retained the two cows to the left, but then you loose the brown cow lying down to the right. Almost impossible this...

Cheap laptops have cheap screens. Even a lot more expensive laptops have bad screens. The building is white? Use that to set the white balance.


Unfortunately it's the format that I have to work with, the 1:2 shot is what's on offer through a local retailer and what's likely to be printed. With the "client" being a nurse and wife and I on a single income a custom print/framing isn't likely to happen due to financial reasons.

Bringing back the right hand brown cow ought to be merely a matter of some LR clone "magic", could do that in minutes.
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TY! (for your TY ;-) no need, but appreciated!).
FB? (never say ..... though, might look very interesting pixelated? ;-))

yes, I know what drought does to luscious meadows? does add some extra 'shades of green'?
from what I can see now, even more 'natural colours', the new version lacks the 'punch' of the previous version and what's worse, the cows are no longer shiny, the most important one now has a silhouette-like appearance?
-edit edit- seeing a new version miraculously appearing,
last one seems fine? like it a lot!!-

I would consider a reshoot when the light is at its best and colourtemp. is lower. and, very important, arrange the cows. ;-)
perhaps even try to find some extra foreground interest to add depth?
and compare?
on the other hand, your crops may be just fine?!!
cloning out the bushes at the edge or not w/b a matter of taste?

can't you optimize your best versions and have them printed 10 x 15 or 13 x 18 cm (at a local print service/camerastore) as a test, prior to ordering the metal version?


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Post Options Post Options   Quote SnowFella Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 July 2017 at 11:50
Well, with the print discount ending in a few day's this is what I've ordered as a 30x60cm print on metal. Will be given to the property owner as a birthday gift whenever it's completed.

DSC09413_stitch by Johan Olsson, on Flickr

Moved some of the cattle around in post and cloned out a fair bit of things.
I'm kinda "meh" over the shot but hopefully the wife's workmate will like it.
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Hi,

First, apologies - I should have sent you something earlier..

However, that said, I think you've ended up with something close to what I was going to suggest anyway so no harm there! I do like the balance of the cows in the shot - they are nicely distributed and show what the farm is all about; I think it's a nicely balanced 'context' shot. Good that you lost the 'shrubbery' in the bottom right of the frame as well - far too distracting. I guess there is little that could be done to make the shot more interesting - the location 'is what it is' after all, but as long as the friends wife likes it what is there to be unhappy about? I guess you could offer to go back and re-shoot at another time of the day etc., but you would have to ask the cows to come along as well - might be a problem...

Please let us know how well it was received - good or bad!

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Originally posted by SnowFella SnowFella wrote:

Well, with the print discount ending in a few day's this is what I've ordered as a 30x60cm print on metal. Will be given to the property owner as a birthday gift whenever it's completed.

DSC09413_stitch by Johan Olsson, on Flickr

Moved some of the cattle around in post and cloned out a fair bit of things.
I'm kinda "meh" over the shot but hopefully the wife's workmate will like it.


Most photo finishers will "optimize" files before printing, adjusting brightness, contrast, shadows/highlights (black and white points), and colour. This may be done automatically by a machine, or manually by someone with experience, depending on the quality of thr lab. Most professional photo finishers will you an option for them to optimize or not - "not" would only really be an option of you have made a test print with them.and they have supplied you with a colour profile for their printer, so that in a fully colour managed workspace you can soft proof exactly how your photo will look on their printer.

Obviously none of this affects compositional decisions, but I only mention it because you can spend a lot of time fiddling with colour etc on an inaccurate screen only for it to be changed (hopefully for thr better) by thr photo finishers / print shop.

Some modern laptops have very good screens - accurate colour / greys and close to 100% sRGB colour, which is enough for most commercial printers, who often can only accept files in an sRGB colour space. Adobe colour space has a "wider gamut" (more colours) but you would need to check if a particular printer shop can handle files in Adobe colour space. For web, online and onscreen use, you typically need sRGB colour as most software, TVs etc will use that.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote SnowFella Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2017 at 11:22
Doubt this mob does any kind of individual "finishing" to submitted photos being one of the big box retailers of all things from furniture to bathroom fittings and some electronics tossed in for good measure.
Just another big box store that contract their printing out to another source, in this case Fuji Australia for their off site prints.

I'll find out in the morning how it all came out, got an SMS today that it's ready to be picked up.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote owenn01 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2017 at 16:55
Originally posted by SnowFella SnowFella wrote:

I'll find out in the morning how it all came out, got an SMS today that it's ready to be picked up.
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Turned out quite alright, colour seems accurate to my edits. Touch on the noisy side though, especially in the blacks.
Though that is looking at a 30x60cm print from quite up close, back away a touch and naturally that noise is gone.
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glad it turned out fine!!
(and more confidence in you than Neil? ;-)).

we would like to 'hear' how the lucky lady reacted?
bet she will be very pleased!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote SnowFella Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 August 2017 at 09:35
Wife's still trying to get into contact with her but her little cabin out in the sticks has no phone line (or electricity other than some solar panels/batteries, running water or even a proper loo) and it's too far out for mobile reception.
We'll likely try to catch her on the weekend where she works to hand it over, need to print her a decent A4 of her fav bird before then.
Not really as sharp and clean as I like but was taken more or less from her front porch.
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