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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 January 2010 at 17:58
I am new to the forum in that I have been a reader not a player, but now it's time to participate. I am submitting three to see if I am consistant in my understanding of the ROT.

First: Ducks In Space - I kept subjects 1/3 from top and bottom but surrounded by the "universe".


Second: Rural Winter - I kept barn 1/3 from left and middle 1/3 up/down


Third: Little Bird - Kept subject 1/3 from left and middle 1/3 up/down


 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 January 2010 at 18:11
Okay, this seems like fun. Time to start my dyxum photography course. Thank you for doing this.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 January 2010 at 07:21
Bear with me please, kinda busy but should be able to get your verdicts and C&C over the coming 2 days or so.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 January 2010 at 22:28
@goldsmid: like the second one also, lamp might be placed slightly better for ROT, but the other lamp behind is definitely a larger distraction (and needs to be cloned out) and somehow I like the cut off smokebox shutters less than in version 1. However both are a clear pass for me.

@alphatini: the lady on the left is clearly ROT, but I constantly get drawn to the rightmost person (because that's the lightest area of the frame) and since he's placed way outside ROT your main subject doesnt hold the interest so pls. try again. Btw, I like yor conversion and the candid soft atmosphere.

@maewpa: paul, you make very nice photographs but neither are clear ROT in my mind. In the tower the line is indeed 1/3 from the side but top nor bottom ends on a ROT point, and actually no one subject is placed near one of the 4 points. Also in the second there are two birds, but together quite centrally placed, especially in the vertical (most strong) direction of your frame. So currently neither are passes, even though as pictures I like both quite well.

@Odysseas: normally we ask you to post max 2 pictures, but your third will get you your pass so I will forgive you this time. I think the first is too central in the horizontal direction (kind of like maewpa's shot in the vertical direction). The second has some vague ROT lines, but nothing happening near the ROT points, but the third is nice and the ROT placement immediately draws you to the beak and eye of the bird and keeps the attention there. The branch on the lower third line delivers good support for this.

@unkabin: the watch and spectacle glass are ROT, however neither hold attention due to the light coming off the waterglass light spot in the middle, as my eye gets drawn to the brightest spot. So for you also a request to try again.

Hope this is clear and helpful for everybody, if not let me know and we can for sure discuss further.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 January 2010 at 03:51
What good points, Pieter. The way I would have naturally cropped them would have dealt with the points that you raise, but I would not have been thinking about trying to intersect points. I am trying this with difficult and not-obvious subjects and you are catching out my lack of precise preparation for a shot every time! This is really a valuable learning experience for me. Thanks.

@unkabin... Welcome to the remedial class! We are "special", not "slow".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2010 at 17:31
I tried various versions with this one. I like this one best, with the trees not sitting on the right line
of ROT but fillling out the space made up by the ROT lines.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 January 2010 at 01:37
Thanks for comments on my first attempt Pegelli...
i'll go for a second try. Very bad light here today, photo taken around noon. Kind of B&W world... no conversion. Way to cold to carry the camera so i took only few shots during our ski ride.   

here is another try for the ROT... Minolta 28F2.8

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 January 2010 at 06:38
#2.2
Almost the same
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 January 2010 at 09:17
Here is my 1st attempt at understanding the ROT im not sure i get the nautilus shell effect but i think i give a foreground, middle and back please let me know if this is what ROT means, thank you !

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 January 2010 at 09:55
@ alphatini

Unfortunately both shots are so lacking in features that the ROT is not rendered clearly enough. You may have to find an indoors subject if thats what the weather is like where you live!

You should move the second one into the High Key assignment and not tell pegelli. Just kidding.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 January 2010 at 10:36
so much for trying to keep order here

@wolfgerb: nice picture and a pass for ROT. Objects don't need to be placed on ROT points all the time, it's all a matter of finding a good composition using the ROT lines, points and areas (which you did). I also like the vibrant colors and the stark yellow-blue contrast.

@alphatini: agree with brettania, but with the second one the dog almost got you there, but in the end it's too insignificant in the total scene. Also like the toning of the second much better than the first, which I find too drab/muddy.

@ onritsu : I think there are too many other lines and objects in the picture that are not abiding ROT that it overwhelms the faint hint as you describe it, so pls. try again.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 January 2010 at 08:35
Ok attempt #2 after i re-read the rule of thirds, i was totally off on my first attempt, thank you for the comments pegelli.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 January 2010 at 21:47
@onritsu: I think this a pass for ROT. The horizon, the boy in total and his head are all well placed on the appropriate lines or points getting the attention where I think you want it. As a picture I think the light is a bit flat and not having a real subject the boy is looking leave me (as viewer) a bit more to desire, however not a bad effort.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 January 2010 at 03:26
Okay, take two. Thanks for the C&C on my wristwatch shot. I agree, the highlight is distracting. Here are two more attempts, shot today, both with 7D and 50mm 1.7 lens, shot at 1.7 and 2.0, respectively.



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