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    Posted: 24 January 2019 at 17:02
So, is new launch camera from Olympus a game changer for 4/3rds as suggested?

There's no avoiding that it has some very interesting features stacked inside it.

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I've read some about it and it's indeed from certain perspectives a very advanced camera (mainly AF). However the sensor seems not much more advanced as in their previous "flagship" model and the size is so big that it partly defeats (in my mind) the purpose and selling point of the M43 system, i.e. size and weight. The lenses will remain smaller for the same FOV, but with this "brick" at one end of these lenses a lot of te advantage is gone.
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Originally posted by pegelli pegelli wrote:

I've read some about it and it's indeed from certain perspectives a very advanced camera (mainly AF). However the sensor seems not much more advanced as in their previous "flagship" model and the size is so big that it partly defeats (in my mind) the purpose and selling point of the M43 system, i.e. size and weight. The lenses will remain smaller for the same FOV, but with this "brick" at one end of these lenses a lot of te advantage is gone.

hardly a brick. it's an OMD EM1 Mark II with the grip already attached. That said; I would take one and consider the $3899.99 CAN price tag a bargain. I am still holding out for a Sony A77 Mark III but I am getting impatient. The Sony mirrorless options don't appeal to me except for the A9 but with a price tag of $5999.99 CAD, I don't like it THAT much.

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I'm figuring that the advantages/disadvantages laid out in the specs and when compared to other cameras, is of little consequence to many (perhaps most?) buyers. The IQ will be great and satisfy most people's needs. However, there are two points:
1) Is this as a proclaimed pro sports/action camera, a better camera and system package than what's already available on the market and,
2) As already mentioned by others, the size of this thing. It's very large. It would have been much better to make extra battery grip an optional add on.

On the first point, I think Sony may have the upper hand - although I put my hand up and say I've not used Sony's latest A7/A9 cameras. Everything I've read/heard tells me that Sony seems to be top of pile at the moment in mirrorless land.

On the second point, I definitely get the impression that mirrorless is about being smaller and lighter, not bigger and heavier, otherwise why leave a traditional DSLR system? Other brands do smaller and lighter.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote LAbernethy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 January 2019 at 04:56
Originally posted by whiteheat whiteheat wrote:

I'm figuring that the advantages/disadvantages laid out in the specs and when compared to other cameras, is of little consequence to many (perhaps most?) buyers. The IQ will be great and satisfy most people's needs. However, there are two points:
1) Is this as a proclaimed pro sports/action camera, a better camera and system package than what's already available on the market and,
2) As already mentioned by others, the size of this thing. It's very large. It would have been much better to make extra battery grip an optional add on.

On the first point, I think Sony may have the upper hand - although I put my hand up and say I've not used Sony's latest A7/A9 cameras. Everything I've read/heard tells me that Sony seems to be top of pile at the moment in mirrorless land.

On the second point, I definitely get the impression that mirrorless is about being smaller and lighter, not bigger and heavier, otherwise why leave a traditional DSLR system? Other brands do smaller and lighter.


There is a point where were size matters just to get a hold of the thing. The OM-D EM-5 is ridiculously small. Same for the OM-D EM-1. Without a grip there isn't enough real estate for the battery or to grab hold of the thing. The size advantage is in the lens. The knock against M43 was the sensor size; but if they're getting full frame dynamic range and high ISO performance out of the M43 sensor wow.
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They don't get full frame like dynamic range and noise out of a m4/3 camera. They have a high res mode for static subjects that is comparable to full frame (and maybe even surpasses it) - but as soon as something moves, it is a small sensor again.

The sensor is good in good light, so, if you're photography is in good light this is a good option. However, for inside and night sports this seems to be less ideal. Same goes for wild life at dawn or dusk. That is what I get from the reports I have seen. Most are impressed by the technology but don't know where it fits in the market, low light will be a let down for a lot of people and the size is a problem for hiking/traveling.

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Originally posted by LAbernethy LAbernethy wrote:


There is a point where were size matters just to get a hold of the thing. The OM-D EM-5 is ridiculously small. Same for the OM-D EM-1. Without a grip there isn't enough real estate for the battery or to grab hold of the thing. The size advantage is in the lens. The knock against M43 was the sensor size; but if they're getting full frame dynamic range and high ISO performance out of the M43 sensor wow.


I hear that a lot, even as an advantage of the Nikon Z6/7 over the Sony A7/9 bodies and for me it only proves that ergonomics and haptics are very personal. I'm a big guy with big hands, but still prefer small(er) bodies, even with large lenses. I'm shooting often with a friend who has a OMD5 mk2 and find the body size fine, even with a larger lens like the 40-150/2.8 pro attached.

When I shoot with a big lens I hold the lens with my left hand so it's balanced and hardly need to hold the body, when I shoot with a smaller lens the small body works fine for me too. So my conclusion is that statements like "you need a grip if you use large tele lenses" and "you need a larger body if you have large hands" are not universally true.

And while the OM-D E1X is as big as the the OM-D E1mk2 with the grip the fact that you can't take off the grip is not ideal for everybody.
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I have to agree with most reviewers, I am not exactly sure where this fits into the market. Perhaps their intention is to give their existing Olympus pros a tool more suited to sports and action, as well as attract others to move to a lighter and smaller pro outfit. Time will tell. I am familiar with the OM-D EM-1 Mkii and I never had any issues with the dynamic range, focussing and low light for my non pro needs.

It's not a travel nor small camera, but I don't think it was ever intended to be. Compared to any other pro DSLR with full grips (1DXii and D5) it is still smaller, lighter and a lot less expensive.

I take my hat off to Olympus, they bought out a beautiful full featured, high tech pro body which when linked to some of their superb pro lenses, makes for a very capable outfit. I would take one of these in a heartbeat if I had $3000 knocking around doing nothing, but I would probably still prefer an A9 at $3k (I wish)

I look forward to seeing a comparison between this and the 1DXii/D5 and even the A9.
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It looks to me like a workhorse for photojournalism, just as the higher level m43 cameras are.
Not the same requirements as for other types of photography.
It seems also like a flagship, as in a proof of feasibility for a number of technologies that Olympus hadn't implemented yet.

And indeed let's not forget that the lens offering in M43 is quite large & useful for many needs.
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Originally posted by ABDurbs ABDurbs wrote:

I look forward to seeing a comparison between this and the 1DXii/D5 and even the A9.

I agree - I think that would be a very interesting comparison (especially to have the A9 in latest firmware configuration for motion tracking).

For Olympus it's just a shame that their lenses are so expensive - though optically usually very, very good.
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I don't understand why the base ISO of Four-Thirds sensors is 200. The E-M1m2 has remarkable performance at equivalent ISO settings. ISO 200 on Four-Thirds is equivalent to ISO 800 on 135 format. There are lots of images where the E-M1m2 might have the best sensor performance, but it can only do low ISO by combining multiple captures.

Also the pixels aren't that small. The new IMX510 32 MP APS-C sensor has about the same pixel pitch and will probably have a lower base ISO. That sensor sounds better to me.

The on-sensor cross point phase-detect sounds better than the horizontal-only sensing Sony is using. The short, little, expensive lenses should focus fine. It sounds like the focusing isn't as good as Sony's best recent implementations.

I liked the A7II body more than the Olympus bodies I tried, but I didn't try the E-M1m2. The E-M1m2 was considerably more expensive even before considering lenses.

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Indeed, it seems like a really poor design choise to give it such a high base ISO.
ISO25 would have been more appropriate.

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