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    Posted: 08 September 2018 at 12:05
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Rebadged Leica SL
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 September 2018 at 12:12
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Rebadged Leica SL




but it's not as ugly as a SL

Also later rumours say it has a new mount and doesn't use the SL mount.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 September 2018 at 13:54
This rumour you mean. It is FT4 = rumor from known sources. But how do you know it is better looking then the SL? What do you know? Do you have an NDA?
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Annoucement made at Photokina




Cologne, Germany (September 25, 2018) – Panasonic Corporation has developed two models of its first Digital Single Lens Mirrorless camera with a 35 mm full-frame image sensor, the LUMIX S1R and the S1. These models are equipped with the world’s first*1 4K 60p video recording function and the Dual I.S. image stabilization system. As part of the LUMIX S series, Panasonic aims to release them on the global market early 2019.

For 100 years since its founding, Panasonic has strived to help realize better lives for customers around the world by responding to their needs. Working on the concept of creating a new culture of photography for a digital age with digital cameras, in 2008 Panasonic released the LUMIX G1, the world’s first*2 Digital Single Lens Mirrorless camera. Over the ten years since then, Panasonic has continued to lead the industry with product innovations, such as the world’s first*3 camera supporting 4K video recording, and cameras equipped with the Dual I.S. (Image Stabilization) system, combining stabilization both inside the camera unit and the lens.



In recent years, telecommunications lines have increased in speed while social media video-sharing has gained popularity and as a result, more and more people are enjoying a hybrid of photos and videos, widening the range of expression in content production. This new field prompted the need for a new type of camera that goes beyond the boundaries of traditional photos and videos.

With this in mind, Panasonic adopted the concept, ‘Fuel the Photographers’ Creative Vision’ to develop a Digital Single Lens Mirrorless camera with a strong focus on the expressive capabilities for both photos and videos. The company will bring these cameras to market as part of the LUMIX S series, striving to provide “specialized value” to customers desiring higher expressiveness. The cameras are user-friendly and offer a robust assortment of essential tools for professional photography and videography, as well as incorporate an entire array of Panasonic technology refined over a century. The latest innovations in Lumix S series also build on Panasonic’s ten years’ experience developing Digital Single Lens Mirrorless cameras, including digital technology such as image or signal processing, plus optical and heat dispersion technology and more. The combination of these capabilities will provide customers with new value for photography and videography.





The key features of the newly developed cameras, the LUMIX S1R and the S1, are as follows.
Capabilities with high definition and high level of expression achieved with the newly-developed 35 mm full-frame image sensor and image processing engine.
(Effective pixels: approximately 47M for the S1R and 24M for the S1)
World’s first*1 support for 4K 60p video recording in a full-frame Digital Single Lens Mirrorless camera.
World’s first*1 full-frame camera equipped with Dual I.S. (Image Stabilization), enabling handheld shots for dark or distant scenes that would previously have required a tripod or other equipment.
A double slot for XQD memory cards and SD memory cards, the first for Panasonic; and a rugged triaxial tilt LCD, emphasizing ease of use and supporting professional photography and videography.
Leica Camera’s L-Mount, making it possible to use interchangeable lenses that meet the L-Mount specifications of the partners*4 Leica Camera and Sigma. Expressiveness is further enhanced by increasing options for interchangeable lenses.



Panasonic will also expand its lineup of LUMIX S series compatible lenses, developing more than ten by 2020, including a 50 mm/F1.4 fixed-focus lens, 24-105 mm standard zoom lens, and 70-200 mm telephoto zoom lens.

For the LUMIX G series of Micro Four Thirds Digital Single Lens Mirrorless cameras, Panasonic has started developing a LEICA DG VARIO-SUMMILUX 10-25 mm F1.7 lens that will achieve the world’s first*5 zoom with maximum aperture of F1.7 for the entire range.



In addition, Panasonic has announced the launch of LUMIX PRO, a service and support program for its LUMIX professionals. This program has been designed to ensure that professionals can receive service and repair benefits globally. Stay tuned for additional details on the October launch for the US market.

The LUMIX GH5, G9, and GH5S high-end Digital Single Lens Mirrorless cameras that Panasonic released since 2017 have already gained a solid reputation among professionals and high-level amateurs across the world for the quality of their pictures and ability to capture the vitality and beauty of life. This success is owed to Panasonic’s world-first*6 support for 4K 60p/50p video recording, and the world’s fastest autofocus*7function using the company’s proprietary DFD (Depth From Defocus) technology. Panasonic will continue to provide new value to customers through the unique features of the compact, yet high-definition, LUMIX G series, while also reaching the professional market through the introduction of the full-frame LUMIX S series and the greater reach of the company’s support system. Through these measures, Panasonic will help to create a new culture of photography and videography.

Prototypes of the new cameras and lenses introduced above will be exhibited at Photokina 2018.*8



Notes:

*1. World’s first support for 4K 60p/50p video recording in a full-frame Digital Single Lens Mirrorless camera. Regarding the inclusion of the Dual I.S. image stabilization system, this is for a full-frame Digital Interchangeable Lens System Camera. As of September 25, 2018 when announced in Germany, according to Panasonic data.

*2. For a Digital Interchangeable Lens System Camera. As of September 12, 2008, according to Panasonic data.

*3. The GH4 Digital Single Lens Mirrorless camera capable of 4K video (as a Digital Single Lens Mirrorless camera, as of February 7, 2014), and the GX8 Digital Single Lens Mirrorless camera with Dual I.S. onboard (as a Digital Interchangeable Lens System Camera, as of July 16, 2015), according to Panasonic data.

*4. “The L-Mount Alliance: a strategic cooperation between Leica Camera, Panasonic and Sigma”(announced on September 25, 2018 in Germany)

*5. For an interchangeable lens for use with a Digital Interchangeable Lens System Camera. As of September 25, 2018 when announced in Germany, according to Panasonic data.

*6. As a Digital Single Lens Mirrorless camera. As of January 4, 2017, according to Panasonic data.

*7. For a Digital Interchangeable Lens System Camera. As of November 8, 2017, according to Panasonic data.

*8. Photokina is a leading exhibition for the photographic and imaging industries (to be held through September 26 to September 29 in 2018, at the Koelnmesse in Cologne, Germany).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Bob J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 September 2018 at 17:30
This is a strange contrast to the (widely hyped) Canon and Nikon FF mirrorless releases - Now we are seeing some really interesting stuff from both Panasonic and Fujifilm (plus a blast from the past with the S3 showing up)...
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote waldo_posth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 September 2018 at 22:58
Not to forget Sigma - they have announced to produce an FF-Foveon sensor for L-mount! See here!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Photosopher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 September 2018 at 02:27
A couple of questions...

•Which way will the focus ring operate? Leica and Sigma direction is like Sony Canon Olympus Contax. Panasonic direction is like Nikon Pentax Samsung Fuji. Will the Panny lenses focus opposite direction as the Sigma Leicas?

•Why does the weather seal diagram camera show two top control dials, one on each side of EVF hump, but the photo of the camera only has one control dial on the left side?
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I must say, Panny has done a great job imitating the a99/77 body style. They even tout "optimal button layout" showing the AMount style traditional thumb swing arc motion. Almost looks like an a900 and a99II had a baby and named it Lumix.

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I know the focus ring direction can be changed on fly-wire lenses. My Samsung 11-18mm had a firmware update that changed the direction from Sony style to Nikon style (as all other Samsung lenses are). No provision for changing it back.

And my Sony 18-105/4 got a FW update a while back, allowing the zoom ring direction to change with menu option.

I think it would be smart to allow user to select focus and zoom ring direction, along with sensitivity levels, linear, or accelerated. Would be more attractive to move from another brand, and retain my muscle memory. Not that I really have any muscles to speak of, and my memory is kind of fading lately.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote WestCoastCannuck Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 September 2018 at 04:52
This is the first announcement from any company to really grab my interest since the A99ii.

This announcement excites me.... and that is worrying.

I am a bit quirky in my choices of gear. When Nikon was King and Canon rising I used Pentax and Minolta and flirted with Olympus - for good reasons I thought at the time.... but underdogs nonetheless.

When I was shopping for a system in 2007 - my first DSLR - everyone told me to go with Canon. If I could have afforded the 5D I just might have... but I could not. I did my research... it came down to the Pentax K20D or the Sony A700. I tell people it was because of the IBIS, and that is partly true, but I must confess that part of it was again I just like to go off the mainstream.   I seem to have an aversion to it. Don't get me wrong... if what I chose BECAME the mainstream, that would be OK somehow! LOL

I love my system but I acknowledge mirrorless as the future - even for me, eventually. You would think I would naturally look at Sony's excellent offerings.. I have. And they are outstanding! But, I must confess a certain reluctance to Sony E-mount. Why? A few niggles I have... but also because I see Sony E-mount as the new Canon. (in mirrorless) I love FF... so Fuji is out. Nikon and Canon have entered.... but, well, they are Nikon and Canon. All things being equal, if I can get the features and IQ from an "alternate" system I will likely always go that route.

Yes... I know... its a nutty way to look at things, but then, I am a bit of a nut.


I love the look and sound of this system start. I will be watching it closely.






         

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Originally posted by waldo_posth waldo_posth wrote:

Not to forget Sigma - they have announced to produce an FF-Foveon sensor for L-mount! See here!


Well I hope the engineering is better in the mount camera than their previous attempts.

I hope their software o develop the raw files is better too.

And forget about high ISO work with that model.

I admire the concept of Foveon, but I don't want to buy one of their cameras.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Swede101 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 September 2018 at 04:15
Originally posted by Photosopher Photosopher wrote:

A couple of questions...
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•Why does the weather seal diagram camera show two top control dials, one on each side of EVF hump, but the photo of the camera only has one control dial on the left side?
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Good spotting!
First, there is no way that the weather sealing shown in the image "Durability without compromises" is for an FF camera.
That rather reminds me of Panasonic Lumix DC-GH5 (has only m4/3 sensor). Seems as they just throw in a photo they happen to have lying around, despite of that it is a completely different camera,..

Non of "The Two Big" photo companies lifted a finger since half a decade, with exception for Leica, who needed just two years to (sort of) figure out that something was happening. EVERYBODY ELSE needed 5 years to do that, and it seems as they all had the ambition to "coordinate the attack" at almost the same time...

All the big elephants trying to launch at the same date to not be left out, has caused great stress - and accordingly we can se a lot of unneccessary blunders (in addition to all other things we already expected them to not be able to manage).


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Swede101 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 September 2018 at 15:03
The FF Mirrorless camera category has gone from being scorned and despised to basically over a night being very crowded.
Now it is suddenly the newest, latest and most hot thing in the market!

With a total of SIX companies now to compete in this market, it is hard to believe that all of these would be successes.

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Particularly since not ONE of these new ML FF systems even ATTEMPT to compete with Sony!
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Have anyone, somewhere among all these new mirrorless FF system offerings, found ANYTHING more useful than what is already out there offered by the E-mount FF cameras? Something that is really usefull for most users? Would large bodies and even larger lenses be the right way to accomplish ever lasting blissfull user happiness?

It seems as not one of these new cameras are able to even reach the Me Too-level, since they left out so many things that Sony already have managed to do. So what's the point (for users)?

Instead of trying to focus on what would be most useful for users, they pick out a few things that would be much easier for THEM to do. E.g. one of the complaints agains Sony's Mirrorless FF system is that some of its FF lenses are too big and heavy. Accordingly, Sony have began to focus on reducing weight and size for their lenses (they said that was not their number one priority in the beginning).


And what do all these newcomers do?
"We INCREASE the mount diameter, so we can build HEAVIER and LARGER lenses! Surely that would be enough to get all photo interested people to be completely overwhelmed!

Check the intervju made with President Kazui Ushida 2017-07-07:
"We want to overwhelm with the performance of the lens ..."

Well, since the lenses for Sony E-mount often perform better than the Nikon F and Canon EF lenses, it is perhaps not the MOST important E-mount "issue" to address...


Obviously there may be advantages for Nikon users to get Z6 or Z7, since I don't think there are any good Nikon F to Sony E-mount AF adapter available yet. For Canon EF there are adapters, although not quite as good as with native lenses. But that would be the case for adapting Canon DSLR lenses to Canon mirrorless FF cameras too (or adapting Nikon DSLR lenses to Nikon Z system).

And these new, big, heavy, expensive and optically good lenses (particularly good in the image borders they say) will not have what high IQ lenses need most of all - a focus system as accurate as is needed when increasing lens resolution. Rignt now this accuracy and speed is available ONLY with Sony's dual AF motor lenses and On-chip processing system, which is capable to focus with razor blade precision. What good is a very high IQ lens if the camera isn't capable to nail pin-point focus?

Just to be clear - Nikon Z and Canon EOS R native lenses will, in many cases, be able to focus with better accuracy than their DSLR lenses will be able to do with their cameras with Dedicated AF systems. But they clearly has not the technology to deliver the hair sharp focus precision possible with special dual AF motors and unbelievable effective On-chip AF calculations (which are orders of magnitudes more difficult to do than the "clean" signal coming from Dedicated AF plates) available with Sony mirrorless cameras.

And these 4 newcomers, besides a number of goofies, even left a number of fragile areas undefended, even for the future. E.g. they all make the possibility to design attractive APS-C cameras very improbable. Have they any defence at all against e.g. a possibly coming APS-C mini-A9? Which Sony may find to be a god idea? :-)



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With the ever upward pressure of smartphones and downward pressure of full frame I doubt apsc figures much in anyone’s future strategy.
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The upward pressure has killed 1" interchangeable systems (although Pentax Q seems to still sell in small quantities in Asia, but killed in other markets), and will no doubt increase the pressure of m4/3 systems. But not as hard of APS-C I would say. The number of sold APS-C cameras are still clearly higher than the number of FF cameras - both within the DSLR and the Mirrorless categories (although the value for each sold FF camera is usually, but not always, higher).

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