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Godox flash trigger on an A99ii

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Printed Date: 27 January 2021 at 07:57


Topic: Godox flash trigger on an A99ii
Posted By: BridgetC
Subject: Godox flash trigger on an A99ii
Date Posted: 07 February 2020 at 18:26
This is probably going to sound very silly, but ...

The Godox transmitter will fit and work with the Sony A99ii
but
will it trigger Sony and Minolta flashguns ?

Can I use with a flash slave ?
They don't work without a slave and a pop-up flash (on my a65).

Thank you for any help/suggestions.
Bridget



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Posted By: Maccroft
Date Posted: 07 February 2020 at 21:52
The Godox transmitter(X-Pro S or X1T-S ?) will need the X1R-S receiver units to trigger the sony / minolta flashguns.
If the flashes have the minolta hotshoe you will need an adapter so they fit the newer MI hotshoe used on the receivers.
Depending on the flashgun you may be only able to use them in manual mode.


Posted By: sybersitizen
Date Posted: 08 February 2020 at 00:18
Originally posted by BridgetC BridgetC wrote:

Sony A99ii ... Sony and Minolta flashguns ?

Let's start with the specific model numbers.

They don't work without a slave and a pop-up flash (on my a65).

I don't follow that. Does it mean you're attaching a slave to the flashes and using the A65's pop-up flash to trigger the slave?

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Posted By: BridgetC
Date Posted: 08 February 2020 at 07:57
sybersitizen:

Yes, that's right - I attach a slave to the flashes, and use the a65 pop-up flash as trigger.

It actually works quite well, as I turn the flash compensation down very low.
However, there is no control over output from the flash.

The a99ii however does not have a pop-up flash.
Its been mentioned above (by Maccroft) that I will need a transmitter, plus a receiver.

Thanks to both of you for your reply :)



Posted By: BridgetC
Date Posted: 08 February 2020 at 09:23
Just thinking on -

Could I use the transmitter with one receiver, plus one slave (on the other flash - which is an old Minolta and hence I can only roughly set the power )


Posted By: stiuskr
Date Posted: 08 February 2020 at 12:35
You could with partial control over the slaved flash or you could put receivers on both and have total remote control over both.
Or dump the Minolta altogether and replace it with a Godox that has an on-board receiver.

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Rob Suits Jr.
a99M2 a99 a77 a700 KM7D|Min24/2.8 Min35/2 So50/1.4 So50/2.8 Min85/1.4G Tam90/2.8 Tam180/3.5|Tam17-50 CZ24-70G2 KM28-75D So70-200G1 So70-300G So70-400G1| SonyF60 AD200R2


Posted By: BridgetC
Date Posted: 08 February 2020 at 13:50
Thank you - sadly its all a matter of cost - its a great idea to do as you suggest, but cost-wise I cannot afford to spend that amount of money.

I am looking at buying a compatible transmitter and receiver separately over a couple of months through eBay or some other outlet.



Posted By: minolta_mutley
Date Posted: 08 February 2020 at 16:25
I have phottix odin original triggers - those have the old foot - so you only need to convert the new foot on the a99II to the older minolta foot (you have to use the Sony adapter - not the other clones - they simply won't work).
Maybe you can find those in a 2nd hand auction somewhere.


Posted By: BridgetC
Date Posted: 08 February 2020 at 17:02
Thank you for that.
I do have a Sony converter which I have used at times on the HLV 56 flash and Sony a99ii.

I've had a look on eBay, and the Phottix Odin sets seem more expensive than the Godox.

The slave works when any flash unit is used (on camera), so don't see why it won't activate when triggered by a stand-alone flash which is itself triggered from a transmitter. It will just mean I can't set the power, but I'm sure there are ways around that.
I doubt I'll use the set much after its initial planned use, so pointless spending a lot of money ...

I use the camera far more without flash, so in the end I can always stick with that and an off camera light ...

Anyway, all food for thought. I confess to having thoroughly confused myself, so will let it go to mull over now :)

Thank you everybody.




Posted By: stiuskr
Date Posted: 08 February 2020 at 17:39
How are you placing the flashes? It sounds like the optics in the slave flash receiver is shadowed and not seeing the master flash's light source.

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Rob Suits Jr.
a99M2 a99 a77 a700 KM7D|Min24/2.8 Min35/2 So50/1.4 So50/2.8 Min85/1.4G Tam90/2.8 Tam180/3.5|Tam17-50 CZ24-70G2 KM28-75D So70-200G1 So70-300G So70-400G1| SonyF60 AD200R2


Posted By: BridgetC
Date Posted: 08 February 2020 at 18:26
There's no problem with the slaves. They work very well with the pop-up flash on my old camera.

But the camera I have been using for stock work doesn't have a pop-up flash, so I was trying to devise an inexpensive way of triggering the flashes I have.

However, I've pretty much talked myself out of this now, as I probably wouldn't use it much.
It's difficult to justify the expense and I could possibly get by with a light.


Posted By: minolta_mutley
Date Posted: 08 February 2020 at 19:58
The odin's are not cheap - that's why i suggested to buy them 2nd-hand.
You can even combine the OdinII controller with the odinI receivers - so that you don't need a conversion foot. It'll restrict certain usage (less channels) - but it 'll allow HSS with the old flashes.
In my tests it worked fine until you go above 1/2000" with an HS-D 5600 (Minolta)
I do own a sender + 3 slaves (and i do own 3 Minolta/Sony flashes).
I have no clue about the Godox transmitters - but the godox flash i have ( the low end 30 ) works like a charm on the A7II/a6000.

Maybe it's a good idea to look for tests/reviews/on-hands-experience that include those older flashes like the HSD3600, HSD5600, and HVL-42. There are minor differences in the flash-protocol after those (i'm following this thread too - one never knows).


Posted By: Miranda F
Date Posted: 08 February 2020 at 21:28
Flash compatibility is a bit of a complex thing (understatement! )
https://www.mhohner.de/sony-minolta/flashcomp.php - MHohner's guide is pretty much reckoned to the be the bible on SOny/Minolta gear but radio wireless has introduced a whole nnew range of incompatibilities.

If you are looking for really cheap solutions, I can recommend a couple.
There are quite a lot of older flashguns that have manually settable power, and even the fixed-power ones can be used if you move them to and fro to get the relative light output you need. They can be triggered by cheap opto slaves BUT on many Sony cameras you cannot turn off the pre-trig flash and that triggers the slave before the shutter opens. You need a shoe-compatible master flash on your camera that can be set to simple non-auto flash. The little Meike 320 is one that does that.

The other approach which is still workable for a multi-flash setup is to use the old Vivitar 283/285 type flashes as slaves, which were self-auto, that is you set them to an aperture and they turned off the flash themselves when the light reached the correct amount. These can also be moved about to fine-tune the light output

Having said all that, the Godox TT350 and transmitter is not that expensive and much more capable.

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Miranda F & Sensorex, Sony A58, Nex-6, Dynax 4, 5, 60, 500si/600si/700si/800si, various Sony & Minolta lenses, several Tamrons, lots of MF primes and *far* too many old film cameras . . .


Posted By: BridgetC
Date Posted: 09 February 2020 at 08:13
Thank you Miranda -

Really kind of you to give such a detailed response.I have a Sony HVL 56 and an old Minolta flash - I think I may stick with Godox ( if/when I do this) They have reasonable reviews for something I donít use much, but I will definitely read through the article with interest.

A family I know would like some photos doing ( I donít charge as I still donít feel confident with this type of work), so am looking at the least expensive options.

Ultimatley it all gives me knowledge and experience.I guess as with anything itís all about experimenting and resale on eBay if it doesnít work out (!).

Thank you very much again


Posted By: BridgetC
Date Posted: 09 February 2020 at 08:15
Thanks also Minolta_mutley

I'll bear all that in mind and do some further research.


Posted By: BridgetC
Date Posted: 09 February 2020 at 08:16
Thank you very much

I'll bear it all in mind and do some further research


Posted By: BridgetC
Date Posted: 09 February 2020 at 15:54
Had a play around today at home (whilst storm Ciara rages outside).

Have determined that the Minolta 3500xi isn't very powerful off-camera (havent used it for a very long time as on camera its difficult to control).
I used it with an inexpensive slave.
The pop up flash on my Sony a65 will trigger both the HVL 56AM (as per Sony compatibility chart) and the Minolta.

For the a99 (which I use for stock work), then a cable would be the thing. Cumbersome, but for the type of family portrait work I do ( for presents only), I can work with it, and that flash would trigger the Minolta (or I just use a stand alone light source).

So basically I don't need the transmitter/receiver set.
I'm a bit nervous that it would actually work with what I have - it may be useful on the a99 if I should feel I'm ever good enough to charge for portraits.

Thanks everyone for your input.
I learbned something, and it gave me the push on this wet day to play around a little.


Posted By: michelb
Date Posted: 09 February 2020 at 17:02
This is what i would use ( they used to cost about 1-12$ per unit). They only provide flash burst

iShoot receivers were available with both ISO and Autolock shoe


iShoot triggers were also available with both shoes
Top view

Bottom view


They don't seem to ba available anymore but i saw some Newer units with standard ISO shoe recently that could be fitted with the proper adapters

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Michel B


Posted By: BridgetC
Date Posted: 13 February 2020 at 09:34
Hi again Miranda:

Have discovered that my old Minolta flash (though bulky) acts as a good optical trigger on the a9 when in 'Low' mode. Lets just say it has its own eccentricities, but can be handled best that way.
It also prevents the pre-flash trigger on the a65, and works as a low key flash unit (but a slightly better light than the pop-up).

Have also bought the Godox flash you mentioned, through eBay which won't break the bank (a nice birthday present to myself !).

Thanks again for all your tips. They've been very useful

best wishes,
Bridget



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