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Topic: Mirror lenses!
Posted By: darosa
Subject: Mirror lenses!
Date Posted: 05 November 2021 at 19:43
This thread is about mirror lenses. I thought about naming it: "Show us your donuts" but decided against it because mirror lenses are so much more than donuts! They are: affordable, hand-holdable and offer extreme focal lengths (250mm-2000mm); and in able hands they produce excellent IQ.

High time these special lenses get a dedicated thread here on Dyxum, the more so as Minolta, and now Sony is famous for their unique AF mirror lens, the Reflex 8/500.

So here's the place to post your shots made with mirror lenses, discuss their pros and cons, give advise, tips, and so on and so forth.

Let's follow https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Through_the_Looking-Glass - Alice through the mirror, and see what can be found there!



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Posted By: Idleidolidyll
Date Posted: 05 November 2021 at 19:57
Totally agree!
OK, I'll play:

Minolta AF 500mm f8 Reflex as a landscape lens? Hell yes!
https://flic.kr/p/2gtvNjW">
https://flic.kr/p/2gtvNjW - Taranaki Forest, New Zealand by https://www.flickr.com/photos/147023660@N06/ - Michael J Breen , on Flickr
Sony ILCE-7R
500mm F8 Reflex
f/8.0 500.0 mm 1/400 6400 Flash (off, did not fire)

Distortion, what distortion?
https://flic.kr/p/2dN9iMA">
https://flic.kr/p/2dN9iMA - Around Auckland by https://www.flickr.com/photos/147023660@N06/ - Michael J Breen , on Flickr
Sony ILCE-7R
500mm F8 Reflex
f/8.0 500.0 mm 1/500 100 Flash (off, did not fire)

Light Stuff
https://flic.kr/p/2dN9iL3">
https://flic.kr/p/2dN9iL3 - Around Auckland by https://www.flickr.com/photos/147023660@N06/ - Michael J Breen , on Flickr
Sony ILCE-7R
500mm F8 Reflex
f/8.0 500.0 mm 1/500 125 Flash (off, did not fire)

Jump!
https://flic.kr/p/2mzfVCG">
https://flic.kr/p/2mzfVCG - Totara Park MTB by https://www.flickr.com/photos/147023660@N06/ - Michael J Breen , on Flickr
Sony ILCE-7R
500mm F8 Reflex

Turn!
https://flic.kr/p/2mz74dg"> https://flic.kr/p/2mz74dg - Totara Park MTB by https://www.flickr.com/photos/147023660@N06/ - Michael J Breen , on Flickr
Sony ILCE-7R
500mm F8 Reflex


Posted By: Basil
Date Posted: 05 November 2021 at 20:01
Since I talked about this lens earlier in a different thread, I though I would share a couple shots with it.
Minolta 800 f/8 on an A57.


https://basil-owen.smugmug.com/Photography/Dyxum/i-Gh7nsZq/A">


https://basil-owen.smugmug.com/Photography/Dyxum/i-S97r3M9/A">


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Posted By: Fred_S
Date Posted: 05 November 2021 at 20:03
Two from stock with AF500 Reflex.

Chimney
https://flic.kr/p/DJi6bh">

Church tower
https://www.flickr.com/gp/147603320@N02/R1LdL9">

I found it hard to get nice shots out of it and sold it once I had the 70-400, so I can't post fresh mirror ones.
Looking at posts form others, it must have been me!


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Posted By: addy landzaat
Date Posted: 05 November 2021 at 21:01
Well, maybe I am missing something - but only Jump is typically mirror, the rest could've been taken with any long lens. Next an APO lens thread

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Posted By: woodrim
Date Posted: 05 November 2021 at 23:17
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Well, maybe I am missing something - but only Jump is typically mirror, the rest could've been taken with any long lens. Next an APO lens thread


The beauty of a mirror lens in good hands is that the donuts can be controlled and the rendering can be quite nice. This isn't a thread to show donuts but what can be accomplished with a good mirror.


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woodrim


Posted By: sybersitizen
Date Posted: 05 November 2021 at 23:29
Originally posted by darosa darosa wrote:

... High time these special lenses get a dedicated thread here on Dyxum, the more so as Minolta, and now Sony is famous for their unique AF mirror lens, the Reflex 8/500.

I gently remind people that the lens - nice though it is - is not really unique as an AF mirror lens. Minolta also produced a 400mm AF mirror lens for the Vectis system.

Carry on.


Posted By: woodrim
Date Posted: 05 November 2021 at 23:37
Thank you for starting this thread, Leo.

Mike Idleidolidyll: That tree pops nicely. Great job on the bike pictures; I know how difficult it is to capture anything moving.

Basil: Those are some of the better images I've seen from the 800mm.

And Fred: You're missing some fun. Mirrors take some time to get used to and to develop technique.

I've been using mirrors since 2017 after giving them a second try. My first cats were not very good, which is an important lesson to understand when purchasing. After trying again and having bought a good one, I got hooked. I actually like the unique rendering provided by a mirror, I put up with the donuts, and have found the lenses that provide more than acceptable sharpness.

My mirror accumulation (not exactly a collection) is more than a dozen and has duplication of focal lengths. Some are better at close, some distance, and some just superior. Size and weight vary as well.

Technique is very important. Most if not all of the mirrors require precise focusing, more so than refractor lenses. And the depth of field is typically very narrow. Rules that we understand about normal optics don't seem to apply the same to cats. In addition to technique, I find it essential to use a mirrorless camera with focus magnification in order to obtain precise focus. This, of course, applies more to the manual focus lenses.

I consider this thread to be for mirror lenses of all types, not just the Minolta and Sony brands.

Dyxum is a collection of very good photographers. I look forward to seeing what others are accomplishing with mirrors.    



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woodrim


Posted By: woodrim
Date Posted: 05 November 2021 at 23:57
I'll be posting my first mirror pictures from my most recent purchase, the Nikon (new) 8/500. I have only just recently started using this lens. The "new" designation is misleading since it refers to the last or latest Nikon, not that it is new. I had read good things about it but the price had kept me away until now. It's a very well made lens with a long focus throw. The sharpness and contrast is better than most. I put this one among my top three performing mirrors.

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woodrim


Posted By: woodrim
Date Posted: 05 November 2021 at 23:58
Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

Originally posted by darosa darosa wrote:

... High time these special lenses get a dedicated thread here on Dyxum, the more so as Minolta, and now Sony is famous for their unique AF mirror lens, the Reflex 8/500.

I gently remind people that the lens - nice though it is - is not really unique as an AF mirror lens. Minolta also produced a 400mm AF mirror lens for the Vectis system.

Carry on.


Yes, and a wonderful lens it is.

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Regards,

woodrim


Posted By: Jozioau
Date Posted: 06 November 2021 at 01:21
I bought my first Minolta 500mm f8 AF Reflex way back when using a Minolta 35mm AF camera, and it's been a very useful part of my kit ever since. I've found that on the a99ii it has really been given a new lease of life.
A sampler of photos I've taken with it is posted to the lens sample images thread in the Dyxum data base, but now this thread has been created, I'm happy to add to it.

Some moon shots to start:
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https://flic.kr/p/pzEz2A"> https://flic.kr/p/pzEz2A - Full moon, Melbourne by https://www.flickr.com/photos/jozioau/ - Joe Lewit , on Flickr

2. Lunar exclipse.
https://flic.kr/p/FP8Wao"> https://flic.kr/p/FP8Wao - Total eclipse, blood red super moon by https://www.flickr.com/photos/jozioau/ - Joe Lewit , on Flickr

And some big orange ball sunsets:
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https://flic.kr/p/2j34Qpx"> https://flic.kr/p/2j34Qpx - Big ball sunset over Newport, from Brighton by https://www.flickr.com/photos/jozioau/ - Joe Lewit , on Flickr

4.
https://flic.kr/p/2j8CRsJ"> https://flic.kr/p/2j8CRsJ - Sun dipping below the breakwater, Brighton marina by https://www.flickr.com/photos/jozioau/ - Joe Lewit , on Flickr

Pulling in distant subjects:
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https://flic.kr/p/22FXkWx"> https://flic.kr/p/22FXkWx - Kite surfer powering off by https://www.flickr.com/photos/jozioau/ - Joe Lewit , on Flickr

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https://flic.kr/p/NQDNNh"> https://flic.kr/p/NQDNNh - Fishing off the breakwater, Brighton by https://www.flickr.com/photos/jozioau/ - Joe Lewit , on Flickr

7.
https://flic.kr/p/2j2TXkE"> https://flic.kr/p/2j2TXkE - Waiting for a bite, Brighton pier by https://www.flickr.com/photos/jozioau/ - Joe Lewit , on Flickr

8.
https://flic.kr/p/2m3NYPA"> https://flic.kr/p/2m3NYPA - Rainbow lorikeet looking out from nesting hollow by https://www.flickr.com/photos/jozioau/ - Joe Lewit , on Flickr

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https://flic.kr/p/2kUMRPu"> https://flic.kr/p/2kUMRPu - Tawny Frogmouth 6 by https://www.flickr.com/photos/jozioau/ - Joe Lewit , on Flickr

And some telephoto compression:
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https://flic.kr/p/2kV8SDp"> https://flic.kr/p/2kV8SDp - Brighton bathing boxes 1 by https://www.flickr.com/photos/jozioau/ - Joe Lewit , on Flickr

11.
https://flic.kr/p/2m3Wx81"> https://flic.kr/p/2m3Wx81 - High St. Armadale sunset by https://www.flickr.com/photos/jozioau/ - Joe Lewit , on Flickr

A bit of deliberate donut:
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https://flic.kr/p/2m3NYCy"> https://flic.kr/p/2m3NYCy - High St. Armadale sidewalk impression by https://www.flickr.com/photos/jozioau/ - Joe Lewit , on Flickr

And finally, for candid shots:
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https://flic.kr/p/2kVrhUM"> https://flic.kr/p/2kVrhUM - Artist at work, Brighton beach by https://www.flickr.com/photos/jozioau/ - Joe Lewit , on Flickr

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https://flic.kr/p/2jq46W8"> https://flic.kr/p/2jq46W8 - Covid-19 Coiffure by https://www.flickr.com/photos/jozioau/ - Joe Lewit , on Flickr

I find it a handy walkabout, discrete, with tons of reach, zero distortion, zero chromatic aberration, and lots to recommend it once you learn your way around its limitations and get them mastered.


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Posted By: addy landzaat
Date Posted: 06 November 2021 at 08:43
Originally posted by woodrim woodrim wrote:

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Well, maybe I am missing something - but only Jump is typically mirror, the rest could've been taken with any long lens. Next an APO lens thread


The beauty of a mirror lens in good hands is that the donuts can be controlled and the rendering can be quite nice. This isn't a thread to show donuts but what can be accomplished with a good mirror.
That is why I proposed an APO thread, to show the rendering of those lenses

I see you guys enjoy your mirrors!

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Posted By: darosa
Date Posted: 06 November 2021 at 09:15
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Well, maybe I am missing something - but only Jump is typically mirror, the rest could've been taken with any long lens. Next an APO lens thread


We are not interested in what you are missing when you have obviously not (cared to) read the OP.


Posted By: darosa
Date Posted: 06 November 2021 at 09:19
Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

Originally posted by darosa darosa wrote:

... High time these special lenses get a dedicated thread here on Dyxum, the more so as Minolta, and now Sony is famous for their unique AF mirror lens, the Reflex 8/500.

I gently remind people that the lens - nice though it is - is not really unique as an AF mirror lens. Minolta also produced a 400mm AF mirror lens for the Vectis system.

Carry on.


You're right, thanks!


Posted By: darosa
Date Posted: 06 November 2021 at 09:24
Originally posted by woodrim woodrim wrote:

Thank you for starting this thread, Leo.


You're welcome Mike! Love to hear from you, the expert, about the dos and donuts (sorry :-() of cats!


Posted By: Dopol
Date Posted: 06 November 2021 at 13:40
I LOVE mirror lenses.
Thanks for starting this Leo. Gave me reason to dive in the archive.

I've used the 500 F/8 and owned the Samyang 300mm Reflex, an APS-C lens.
I sold it with all ASP-C stuff I had. With some regrets.
The lens is flexible, sharp (enough), MF
So, to show some proof

#1 At a Dyxym meet in London


#2 another deer


#3 short MFD, made it macro-like


#4 painterly like


#5 Leo's A7R


#6 and Leo himself of course

Same Londen meeting. Here visiting The Prospect of Whitby, one of London's oldest inns, for some stabilizers after a long walk.

#7 macro pizza


#8 I see you

with donuts

#9 discrete street


Hope I didn't overdo it
Maybe I should get myself a new copy.

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Posted By: Snegren
Date Posted: 06 November 2021 at 14:04
Any advice on a mounting system for Vectis on Sony FE that is not totally Frankenstein?

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Posted By: pegelli
Date Posted: 06 November 2021 at 14:11
Originally posted by Snegren Snegren wrote:

Any advice on a mounting system for Vectis on Sony FE that is not totally Frankenstein?
I think Howard_S has got an adapter for that and used it with good result.

https://www.dyxum.com/dforum/lave1-monster-adapter-for-vectis-lenses-reissue_topic138733_post1628369.html?KW=Vectis#1628369 - Here's a thread about it

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Posted By: woodrim
Date Posted: 06 November 2021 at 14:42
Originally posted by pegelli pegelli wrote:

Originally posted by Snegren Snegren wrote:

Any advice on a mounting system for Vectis on Sony FE that is not totally Frankenstein?
I think Howard_S has got an adapter for that and used it with good result.

https://www.dyxum.com/dforum/lave1-monster-adapter-for-vectis-lenses-reissue_topic138733_post1628369.html?KW=Vectis#1628369 - Here's a thread about it


The MonsterAdapter people resumed production of their Vectis adapter this past year. Of course, they sold out again but not before I got one. I believe they will be introducing an updated version sometime soon.

I had bought a Vectis 400mm and was looking at ways to adapt it to my mirrorless when they resumed production. I was thankful for the timing since I was about to start surgery. Glad I didn't. What I did learn is that the Vectis mirror focuses by movement at the front of the lens while leaving the rear in place. I had tried making a helicoid extender to do the focusing but the results I got defied everything I knew about focusing by helicoid. Anyway, the MonsterAdapter allowed the mounting of the lens and focusing in manual. The focus by wire was certainly different for me but I quickly got used to it and started to like it. As with most other things, it takes some practice and technique development.

I learned after using the Vectis that it is a very good mirror. The sharpness is right up there with the 250mm and Tamron SP 350. It gets difficult to assess differences when they are that good but I do enjoy my Vectis even more than the SP 350. It focuses well at all distances, even infinity, which can't be said for many other mirrors. Contrast is also good and colors are warm.

I will follow this post with images from my Vectis 400. The lens is rare enough and not seen for sale often, so I'm glad I bought when I did. I expect them to increase in price and become more difficult to find.

Keep an eye on the facebook site for announcements:    https://www.facebook.com/MonsterAdapter-110210297369391 - MonsterAdapter

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Regards,

woodrim


Posted By: woodrim
Date Posted: 06 November 2021 at 15:05
The Vectis 400 was an August 2020 purchase. I spent some of the next couple of months scheming how I might make it work, then, fortunately, I was able to buy a new MonsterAdapter before I did any damage. It has quickly become my most used mirror.

I should also mention that the lens was designed for APS but does fill most of the full-frame with the exception of some vignetting in the corners.

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Posted By: woodrim
Date Posted: 06 November 2021 at 15:12
Domien: Thanks for the Samyang images. Sharp indeed. I've stayed away from trying it mostly because of the APS format. Do you know how much of the FF it covers?

And you got to hang out with Leo

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Regards,

woodrim


Posted By: Dopol
Date Posted: 06 November 2021 at 15:37
Originally posted by woodrim woodrim wrote:

Domien: Thanks for the Samyang images. Sharp indeed. I've stayed away from trying it mostly because of the APS format. Do you know how much of the FF it covers?

And you got to hang out with Leo


I   Don’t know Mike. Silly enough I never tried it. I handled it as part of two different systems. Never the two should be mixed.
On your photos.
I recognize many of your shots. They made enough of an impression to me at the time.

Leo is a welcome guest at dyxum meetings.
That’s where I see him. Taking great photos of subjects I didn’t even see or didn’t dare to photograph with lenses I could never buy, missing the skills to use them.

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Posted By: Fred_S
Date Posted: 06 November 2021 at 16:28
Just found and ordered a used Samyang E-mount for a nice price, so will be able soon to show the vignetting on full frame

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Posted By: woodrim
Date Posted: 06 November 2021 at 22:17
Originally posted by Fred_S Fred_S wrote:

Just found and ordered a used Samyang E-mount for a nice price, so will be able soon to show the vignetting on full frame


Welcome back to cats.

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Regards,

woodrim


Posted By: woodrim
Date Posted: 06 November 2021 at 23:25
The first big (long) mirror I bought was the one that got me hooked. MTO 3M-6A 6.3/500. I referred to it as the big Mak (Maksutov). It's bigger and heavier than the f/8 Russian mirrors but also sharper. I think I researched the Russian mirrors well before settling on this lens. I would later get the Rubinar 5.6/500.

Big Mak...
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Posted By: Idleidolidyll
Date Posted: 07 November 2021 at 03:18
The mirror lens can get quite busy

Bird Lady front
https://flic.kr/p/2dqYvQF"> https://flic.kr/p/2dqYvQF - Bronze Bird Lady by https://www.flickr.com/photos/147023660@N06/ - Michael J Breen , on Flickr
Sony ILCE-7R
500mm F8 Reflex
f/8.0 500.0 mm 1/500 250 Flash (off, did not fire)

Bird Lady side
https://flic.kr/p/2ePLoPF">
https://flic.kr/p/2ePLoPF - Bird Lady (my muse) by https://www.flickr.com/photos/147023660@N06/ - Michael J Breen , on Flickr
Sony ILCE-7R
500mm F8 Reflex
f/8.0 500.0 mm 1/500 500 Flash (off, did not fire)


Posted By: Basil
Date Posted: 07 November 2021 at 16:24
I used my Minolta 500 reflex to shoot the last solar eclipse. I made a filter for the front out of mylar. It worked like a charm. (both shot with A77ii). No worry about donuts!

#1
https://basil-owen.smugmug.com/Eclipse/i-BmxCCNg/A">

#2
https://basil-owen.smugmug.com/Eclipse/i-VGt7Bb6/A">

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Posted By: Idleidolidyll
Date Posted: 07 November 2021 at 18:07
Originally posted by Basil Basil wrote:

I used my Minolta 500 reflex to shoot the last solar eclipse. I made a filter for the front out of mylar. It worked like a charm. (both shot with A77ii). No worry about donuts!


Nice!


Posted By: Idleidolidyll
Date Posted: 07 November 2021 at 18:13
I grabbed the 500mm mirror lens for the last Blood Moon. Until the moon was almost completely eclipsed; I was able to shoot hand held. I then used a monopod.

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https://flic.kr/p/2m2cqhZ">
https://flic.kr/p/2m2cqhZ - Blood Super Moon Eclipse by https://www.flickr.com/photos/147023660@N06/ - Michael J Breen , on Flickr

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https://flic.kr/p/2m27Jwy">
https://flic.kr/p/2m27Jwy - Blood Super Moon Eclipse by https://www.flickr.com/photos/147023660@N06/ - Michael J Breen , on Flickr

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https://flic.kr/p/2m27JuK">
https://flic.kr/p/2m27JuK - Blood Super Moon Eclipse by https://www.flickr.com/photos/147023660@N06/ - Michael J Breen , on Flickr

4. I played with this one to make it look like a planet with water
https://flic.kr/p/2m2boUd"> https://flic.kr/p/2m2boUd - Blood Super Moon Eclipse by https://www.flickr.com/photos/147023660@N06/ - Michael J Breen , on Flickr


Posted By: Howard_S
Date Posted: 07 November 2021 at 18:30
Originally posted by pegelli pegelli wrote:

I think Howard_S has got an adapter for that and used it with good result.

https://www.dyxum.com/dforum/lave1-monster-adapter-for-vectis-lenses-reissue_topic138733_post1628369.html?KW=Vectis#1628369 - Here's a thread about it

Thanks - I do have the LA-VE1 adapter but alas no Vectis 400 mm mirror lens   

Nevertheless I have the Minolta 500 AF Reflex, and here are some samples - most with doughnuts!

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https://flic.kr/p/2jDwyxh - Juvenile herring gull @ 1000mm equivalent (APS-C crop and ~1.4x Clearzoom in-camera digital zoom) | A7 III

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https://flic.kr/p/2jDQzLc - Gull feeding /4 @ 1000mm with 2x in-camera zoom | A7 III

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https://flic.kr/p/2j9zVXe - Take off | A65

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https://flic.kr/p/2j9fRcg - Super moon, stacked | A65

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https://flic.kr/p/2g8jS4r - Rowing up to the start of the course | A65

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https://flic.kr/p/25i9Wd6 - Sydlings Copse | A7 III


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Posted By: Basil
Date Posted: 08 November 2021 at 14:13
Celestron C90 spotting scope / Sony A700
A 1000 mm mirror lens that was the ultimate hard to focus combo! I had forgotten about it until this thread was created. I need to dig it out and try it on a body with focus peaking. It also means that I have waaaay too much gear if I have things like this that I have forgotten about.

https://basil-owen.smugmug.com/Photography/Wildlife/i-mjqwCF5/A">

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Posted By: Snegren
Date Posted: 08 November 2021 at 21:51
And so it seems I will in the near future have three mirror lenses to play with, a Rokkor 250, a Rokkor 500 and a Vectis 400 (a DIY project as I have no Monster adapter but plenty of helicoids).

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Posted By: Snegren
Date Posted: 08 November 2021 at 21:53
And so it seems I will in the near future have three mirror lenses to play with, a Rokkor 250, a Rokkor 500 and a Vectis 400 (a DIY project as I have no Monster adapter but plenty of helicoids). Dyxum is such a lovely place, always a good idea for a new lens to be found....

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Posted By: woodrim
Date Posted: 08 November 2021 at 22:32
Originally posted by Snegren Snegren wrote:

And so it seems I will in the near future have three mirror lenses to play with, a Rokkor 250, a Rokkor 500 and a Vectis 400 (a DIY project as I have no Monster adapter but plenty of helicoids). Dyxum is such a lovely place, always a good idea for a new lens to be found....


Have you just found a Vectis? Good for you. If you saw my post regarding my own experience, the helicoid approach did not work well. To get it to work at all, I had to use a Vectis camera to focus the lens at the approximate range I wanted to use it, remove the lens without turning off the camera, so it didn't reset to infinity, and then I could use the helicoid in a very narrow range.

Whatever you do, don't modify the lens; a MonsterAdapter will be available again in the near future. I know this from direct information.

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Posted By: darosa
Date Posted: 08 November 2021 at 23:06
What do you think of the Rubinar 300/4.5 Mike?
I like it because it's fast and sharp.

1 Rainy day in Donut Park
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2 Demeter, goddess of harvest and agriculture, in the rain
https://flic.kr/p/2mHfL7f">

Just playing around with donuts in #2, focus on the donuts, not on the sculpture :-)

both with a7rii + MC Rubinar 4.5/300 Macro (MC Рубинар 4.5/300 Makpo)


Posted By: Howard_S
Date Posted: 09 November 2021 at 00:07
I just realised I have another Reflex mirror lens, the Sirius 500mm F8.8 for, I think, the SR mount. Not a lens I'd recommend.

1
https://flic.kr/p/qA8zmX">
https://flic.kr/p/qA8zmX - Flamingo /2 | NEX-7

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https://flic.kr/p/9FHJhg">
https://flic.kr/p/9FHJhg - Clarendon | NEX-3

3
https://flic.kr/p/9Cit66">
https://flic.kr/p/9Cit66 - St Andrew's flag | NEX-3



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Posted By: woodrim
Date Posted: 09 November 2021 at 00:31
Originally posted by darosa darosa wrote:

What do you think of the Rubinar 300/4.5 Mike?
I like it because it's fast and sharp.


I think it's expensive. It's one of the very few mirrors I'd still like to try. Other than having seen good results from it, I can only repeat what I've read from others. I've read that it can be difficult to focus but I think that was mostly due to using on a DSLR. Mirrorless have made focusing so much easier and thus have improved the mirror lens experience.

I have a couple of good f/5.6 300mm but they are not at the same level as yours. The MTO 3M-7K also seems a very good 5.6/300mm. There is an Aussie in the facebook mirror group that uses one to good effect.

I'd like to see more from your Rubinar.

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Posted By: woodrim
Date Posted: 09 November 2021 at 00:33
Basil: That is an impressive result from such a long mirror, not to mention a Celestron. Has that photo had some sharpening?

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Posted By: Snegren
Date Posted: 09 November 2021 at 11:28
Originally posted by woodrim woodrim wrote:

Originally posted by Snegren Snegren wrote:

And so it seems I will in the near future have three mirror lenses to play with, a Rokkor 250, a Rokkor 500 and a Vectis 400 (a DIY project as I have no Monster adapter but plenty of helicoids). Dyxum is such a lovely place, always a good idea for a new lens to be found....


Have you just found a Vectis? Good for you. If you saw my post regarding my own experience, the helicoid approach did not work well. To get it to work at all, I had to use a Vectis camera to focus the lens at the approximate range I wanted to use it, remove the lens without turning off the camera, so it didn't reset to infinity, and then I could use the helicoid in a very narrow range.

Whatever you do, don't modify the lens; a MonsterAdapter will be available again in the near future. I know this from direct information.

Thanks for the info Mike. Yes, I found one and was thinking to Frankenstein something but it did come to mind that on a 400 mm lens the helicoid would need to be long and that I would have no control over the actual distance the lens would be focussed at to begin with, making the whole endeavor uncertain. Do you know where the monster adapter will become available?   

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Posted By: Snegren
Date Posted: 09 November 2021 at 11:34
Funny, the Monster adapter is likely to be more expensive than the lens.

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Posted By: Basil
Date Posted: 09 November 2021 at 14:57
Originally posted by woodrim woodrim wrote:

Basil: That is an impressive result from such a long mirror, not to mention a Celestron. Has that photo had some sharpening?



Mike, thanks.
It has some sharpening applied, but more of a boost in contrast. To me, one of the weaknesses of mirror lenses is a lack of contrast. Boosting it in post really makes the images come alive. On my 500 reflex, I have added a screw on lens hood like https://www.amazon.com/LingoFoto-82mmx78mmm-Mirror-Unnecessary-Ambient/dp/B08MVXYTRK/ref=sr_1_10?keywords=82mm+lens+hood&qid=1636468875&sr=8-10 - this to help increase the contrast.

That shot was one of about 50 I took that day with that combo. It was the only one worth trying to work with. I need to go out again with a body that has focus peaking. That should improve my hit ratio. Now that I'm retired, I will have more time to spend with more challenging lenses to shoot with. The past 2 years have been all about just trying to nail the shot within a very limited time frame to be out. This thread is reminding me of the joys of the mirror bug.

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Posted By: woodrim
Date Posted: 09 November 2021 at 15:05
Originally posted by Snegren Snegren wrote:

Funny, the Monster adapter is likely to be more expensive than the lens.


If that is true, you got the lens for a great price. I found mine in Ireland at $125 plus shipping to the US. Most are above $200 on eBay. Did you mean to ask where or when? I can't say when; I was first told October but that is behind us now. I expect cost to be around $200. I have purchased some other Vectis lenses because they're so cheap, even though I don't really do zooms. I have been feeding performance data back to the developer, so that is why I have some information. Be patient and be sure to buy one. I'm a cheapskate and even I am glad I got one. That made the Vectis my most costly mirror but it is also my favorite.

I will report here when there is news.

If you want more information about the Franken-failures, PM me. I don't want to share too much about that for fear it may encourage people to try.

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Posted By: woodrim
Date Posted: 09 November 2021 at 15:27
I've been using the Nikon a lot recently because it's my newest toy.
These white ibis have the prettiest blue eyes. Too bad only one leg

Nikon (new) 8/500





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Posted By: Basil
Date Posted: 09 November 2021 at 15:39
I love how the background is rendered!

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Posted By: Dopol
Date Posted: 09 November 2021 at 16:27
Originally posted by Basil Basil wrote:

I love how the background is rendered!


+1

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Posted By: paso144
Date Posted: 09 November 2021 at 16:29
Repost of a shot with the 500mirror. For some reason the donut bokeh gives a sort of gritty feel to the back ground which I liked (almost like a sort of heat haze or makes the actual heat haze more pronounced). Also in the front this grittiness is visible on the curbs.



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Posted By: woodrim
Date Posted: 09 November 2021 at 19:01
Originally posted by paso144 paso144 wrote:

Repost of a shot with the 500mirror. For some reason the donut bokeh gives a sort of gritty feel to the back ground which I liked (almost like a sort of heat haze or makes the actual heat haze more pronounced). Also in the front this grittiness is visible on the curbs.


The bokeh can work for or against. It adds another element of challenge.

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Posted By: woodrim
Date Posted: 09 November 2021 at 19:02
Originally posted by Basil Basil wrote:

I love how the background is rendered!


There definitely are times!

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Posted By: Snegren
Date Posted: 09 November 2021 at 19:48
Originally posted by woodrim woodrim wrote:

Originally posted by Snegren Snegren wrote:

Funny, the Monster adapter is likely to be more expensive than the lens.


If that is true, you got the lens for a great price. I found mine in Ireland at $125 plus shipping to the US. Most are above $200 on eBay. Did you mean to ask where or when? I can't say when; I was first told October but that is behind us now. I expect cost to be around $200. I have purchased some other Vectis lenses because they're so cheap, even though I don't really do zooms. I have been feeding performance data back to the developer, so that is why I have some information. Be patient and be sure to buy one. I'm a cheapskate and even I am glad I got one. That made the Vectis my most costly mirror but it is also my favorite.

I will report here when there is news.

If you want more information about the Franken-failures, PM me. I don't want to share too much about that for fear it may encourage people to try.


I'll be patient Mike. It appears the lens is well worth a decent adapter.

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Posted By: Snegren
Date Posted: 09 November 2021 at 19:54
Today I received my Minolta RF Rokkor 250. It looks like new, it is surprisingly small. I understand its charm, there is always space in the camera bag for this one.

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Posted By: Fred_S
Date Posted: 09 November 2021 at 19:56
Originally posted by woodrim woodrim wrote:

I've been using the Nikon a lot recently because it's my newest toy.
These white ibis have the prettiest blue eyes. Too bad only one leg

Beautiful light Mike!

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Posted By: Fred_S
Date Posted: 09 November 2021 at 19:56
Originally posted by Snegren Snegren wrote:

Today I received my Minolta RF Rokkor 250. It looks like new, it is surprisingly small. I understand its charm, there is always space in the camera bag for this one.

Congrats Paul!

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Posted By: darosa
Date Posted: 09 November 2021 at 23:00
Originally posted by Dopol Dopol wrote:

Originally posted by Basil Basil wrote:

I love how the background is rendered!


+1


+1 Great work with the Nikon 500 Mike!


Posted By: darosa
Date Posted: 09 November 2021 at 23:01
Originally posted by woodrim woodrim wrote:

Basil: That is an impressive result from such a long mirror, not to mention a Celestron.


+1 !


Posted By: darosa
Date Posted: 09 November 2021 at 23:08
Originally posted by woodrim woodrim wrote:

Originally posted by darosa darosa wrote:

What do you think of the Rubinar 300/4.5 Mike?
I like it because it's fast and sharp.


I think it's expensive. It's one of the very few mirrors I'd still like to try. Other than having seen good results from it, I can only repeat what I've read from others. I've read that it can be difficult to focus but I think that was mostly due to using on a DSLR. Mirrorless have made focusing so much easier and thus have improved the mirror lens experience.

I have a couple of good f/5.6 300mm but they are not at the same level as yours. The MTO 3M-7K also seems a very good 5.6/300mm. There is an Aussie in the facebook mirror group that uses one to good effect.

I'd like to see more from your Rubinar.


Thanks Mike! I have the 3M-7K too, but it's a lot softer than the Rubinar (which is not necessarily a bad thing but makes focusing harder). Here are a few from that 300/5.6:

1 Bicycle parking
https://flic.kr/p/28tWcHQ">

2 Halloween twins
https://flic.kr/p/2k2veSf">

3 When the ship comes in
https://flic.kr/p/2b9Rg4m">

all with a7rii + AOMZ 3M-7K 5.6/300 mirror lens (M42)


Posted By: Snegren
Date Posted: 11 November 2021 at 08:30
And now I have a pair: Minolta RF Rokkor 250mm 1:5.6 and RF Rokkor 500mm 1:8. I have spotted lots of donuts in the garden, but have nothing to show for it. Later.

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Posted By: Snegren
Date Posted: 11 November 2021 at 11:41
And then there were three. The Vectis 400/8 arrived. Naturally I had to try if I can use an external helicoid (I was warned by @woodrim that it would not work, but I had to try), I have a wide helicoid, I think it is M50 to M42, so I could fit the V-mount inside it, but ended up between nothingness and eternity. Just not enough throw for a 400 mm lens, with the lens focus scale at 100 ft I can focus between 10 m and 50 meters, something like that. So Monster adapter it has to be, I won't open the lens in an attempt to Frankenstein it into mechanical focus.

Note to all lens manufacturers. Focus by wire, please spare me this nonsense!

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Posted By: XKAES
Date Posted: 11 November 2021 at 13:51
I too appreciate the mirror lenses. The APO snobs don't seem to appreciate that the design of CATs basically eliminates chromatic aberration -- not that I have anything against lenses marked "APO" -- and CATs are USUALLY much less expensive. Here are my long lenses:

Makinon 300mm f5.6 CAT -- It's as small as my 85mm lens, and there's no way I would buy the wonderful Minolta 250mm f5.6 CAT.

Sigma 300mm f4.5 APO -- Three times the size and weight of the Makinon, but the adjustable aperture creates great DOF when needed.

Spiratone 500mm f8.0 CAT -- Actually a superb, stripped-down Yashica/Tomioka lens. I had a Minolta Rokkor-X 500mm f8.0 CAT, but I sold that for $200 and bought this for $40. It's even better than the Minolta!

Sigma 500mm f7.2 APO -- Three times the size and weight of the Spiratone, but the adjustable aperture creates great DOF.

Sigma 600mm f8.0 CAT -- Very nice lens, but not that much longer than a 500mm, so I sold it and bought a 650mm.

Osawa 650mm f8.5 CAT -- Actually made by Tokina, and also sold under the Soligor C/D and Bell & Howell labels, it fits perfectly between a 500mm and an 800mm lens.

Vivitar Series 1 800mm f11.0 SOLID CAT -- The heaviest CAT on the planet, but very compact, and focuses to 25 feet!

Honeywell Lumetar 1250mm f10.5 -- Actually a stripped-down Celestron C5, it's amazingly light, even if it isn't small.

Some of the lenses are hard to find but usually can be bought for MUCH less than you would expect. ALL of the CAT lenses are T-mount, so they can be used on ANY camera.

Keep using those CATs!!!


Posted By: Bob J
Date Posted: 11 November 2021 at 16:55
Avro 504K


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Posted By: Hezu
Date Posted: 11 November 2021 at 17:27
Originally posted by XKAES XKAES wrote:

Vivitar Series 1 800mm f11.0 SOLID CAT -- The heaviest CAT on the planet, but very compact, and focuses to 25 feet!
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/reflex/2000mm.htm - Reflex-Nikkor 2000mm f/11 is significantly heavier, although if I understand correctly it is very rare lens, so even finding one would be a challenge...



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Posted By: XKAES
Date Posted: 11 November 2021 at 17:51
Thanks for correcting me. There is also the Minolta 1600mm, the Yashica 1000mm, Zeiss 500mm & 1000mm, Sigma XQ 500mm f4, and more!
I meant pounds per square inch!!!


Posted By: Basil
Date Posted: 11 November 2021 at 17:57
Originally posted by Hezu Hezu wrote:

Reflex-Nikkor 2000mm f/11 is significantly heavier, although if I understand correctly it is very rare lens, so even finding one would be a challenge...

At 38 pounds, it is a beast of a lens. It makes my Minolta 600/4 seem like a lightweight at a mere 12 pounds.

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Posted By: XKAES
Date Posted: 11 November 2021 at 18:08
I think the winner is the Zeiss 1700mm f4 Apo-Sonnar lens. Not many were produced -- for Hasselblad -- but its designed weight was 564lbs (256kgs).

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/3865393209/zeiss1700f4 - https://www.dpreview.com/articles/3865393209/zeiss1700f4


Posted By: bigsi
Date Posted: 11 November 2021 at 19:01
Originally posted by XKAES XKAES wrote:

I think the winner is the Zeiss 1700mm f4 Apo-Sonnar lens. Not many were produced -- for Hasselblad -- but its designed weight was 564lbs (256kgs).

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/3865393209/zeiss1700f4 - https://www.dpreview.com/articles/3865393209/zeiss1700f4



I'm going to need a bigger bag..

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Posted By: Fred_S
Date Posted: 11 November 2021 at 22:24
My Samyang 300mm mirror lens (E-mount) has arrived.
It's an amazing small size "pocketable" telelens, just over 300 grams .
It's even shorter that the 28-70mm OSS kitlens,
No change for a real good test shot yet, but that should follow soon.

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Posted By: woodrim
Date Posted: 12 November 2021 at 00:20
Originally posted by Snegren Snegren wrote:

And then there were three. The Vectis 400/8 arrived. Naturally I had to try if I can use an external helicoid (I was warned by @woodrim that it would not work, but I had to try), I have a wide helicoid, I think it is M50 to M42, so I could fit the V-mount inside it, but ended up between nothingness and eternity. Just not enough throw for a 400 mm lens, with the lens focus scale at 100 ft I can focus between 10 m and 50 meters, something like that. So Monster adapter it has to be, I won't open the lens in an attempt to Frankenstein it into mechanical focus.

Note to all lens manufacturers. Focus by wire, please spare me this nonsense!


I don't blame you for trying, that was my approach too. Had to prove it to myself. Robin Williams in one of his movies was told something was impossible; he responded "yes, I know, I proved it". I paraphrased.

I'm jealous of the 250. Do you have the SP 350 to fill in the gap?

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Posted By: woodrim
Date Posted: 12 November 2021 at 00:22
Originally posted by XKAES XKAES wrote:

I too appreciate the mirror lenses.
Honeywell Lumetar 1250mm f10.5


I'd like to see images from that Lumetar (Celestron). I had a lead on one that disappeared.

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Posted By: XKAES
Date Posted: 12 November 2021 at 01:15
Despite the Honeywell Lumetar actually being a Celestron C5 telescope, its close-focusing capability makes it great for terrestrial photography. There are plenty of examples here:

https://www.mu-43.com/threads/celestron-c5-1250mm-f-10.97387/ - https://www.mu-43.com/threads/celestron-c5-1250mm-f-10.97387/

As I recall, I got mine in like new condition with original case, manual, from & rear caps, etc., for $75.

Celetron C5 scopes are MUCH easier to find, but also cost a lot more -- not only because are they MUCH better known, they come with more "stuff" for astro-photography that us regular shutterbugs don't really need.


Posted By: Snegren
Date Posted: 12 November 2021 at 14:06
Originally posted by woodrim woodrim wrote:

Originally posted by Snegren Snegren wrote:

And then there were three. The Vectis 400/8 arrived. Naturally I had to try if I can use an external helicoid (I was warned by @woodrim that it would not work, but I had to try), I have a wide helicoid, I think it is M50 to M42, so I could fit the V-mount inside it, but ended up between nothingness and eternity. Just not enough throw for a 400 mm lens, with the lens focus scale at 100 ft I can focus between 10 m and 50 meters, something like that. So Monster adapter it has to be, I won't open the lens in an attempt to Frankenstein it into mechanical focus.

Note to all lens manufacturers. Focus by wire, please spare me this nonsense!


I don't blame you for trying, that was my approach too. Had to prove it to myself. Robin Williams in one of his movies was told something was impossible; he responded "yes, I know, I proved it". I paraphrased.

I'm jealous of the 250. Do you have the SP 350 to fill in the gap?


The SP 350, should this ring a bell? Obviously I don't have it, otherwise I would know what it is.

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Posted By: Snegren
Date Posted: 12 November 2021 at 14:21
All with the Minolta RF Rokkor 250mm 1:5.6

250.1: Led light from sun light
https://www.flickr.com/photos/paulemans/51673991411/">

250.2: Scene from the skatepark
https://www.flickr.com/photos/paulemans/51674227093/">

250.3: Practice swing at the 148 yard T
https://www.flickr.com/photos/paulemans/51674658709/">

250.4: I know I'm pretty
https://www.flickr.com/photos/paulemans/51674227228/">

250.5: Galloway #9222 under the trees
https://www.flickr.com/photos/paulemans/51673991466/">

250.6: A little too much information
https://www.flickr.com/photos/paulemans/51673991716/">

250.7: Far too much information
https://www.flickr.com/photos/paulemans/51674226663/">

250.8: Dead wood
https://www.flickr.com/photos/paulemans/51674227353/">

250.9: Dead wood
https://www.flickr.com/photos/paulemans/51674862050/">

250.10: Convenience in the field
https://www.flickr.com/photos/paulemans/51674227413/">


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Posted By: Snegren
Date Posted: 12 November 2021 at 14:26
All with Minolta RF Rokkor 500mm 1:8

500.1: Scene from the skatepark
https://www.flickr.com/photos/paulemans/51674226928/">

500.2: Scene from the skatepark
https://www.flickr.com/photos/paulemans/51674658569/">

500.3: Scene from the skatepark
https://www.flickr.com/photos/paulemans/51674226963/">

500.4: Scene from the skatepark
https://www.flickr.com/photos/paulemans/51674227008/">

500.5: Galloway
https://www.flickr.com/photos/paulemans/51674658649/">


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Posted By: XKAES
Date Posted: 12 November 2021 at 14:55
Originally posted by Snegren Snegren wrote:

   

The SP 350, should this ring a bell? Obviously I don't have it, otherwise I would know what it is.


The Tamron Adaptall-2 350mm CAT is an f5.6 lens, but large. It has an 82mm filter thread -- I think! Not to be confused with the HUGE Tamron 70-350mm f4.5 ZOOM -- quite a beast!!!


Posted By: woodrim
Date Posted: 12 November 2021 at 15:42
Originally posted by XKAES XKAES wrote:

Originally posted by Snegren Snegren wrote:

   

The SP 350, should this ring a bell? Obviously I don't have it, otherwise I would know what it is.


The Tamron Adaptall-2 350mm CAT is an f5.6 lens, but large. It has an 82mm filter thread -- I think! Not to be confused with the HUGE Tamron 70-350mm f4.5 ZOOM -- quite a beast!!!


Right, it is large; even larger than the SP 500. Greater speed comes with a significant increase in diameter.

Both Tamron lenses are very good but the 350mm is very good. However, they are very susceptible to balsam separation at the rear elements. If the separation isn't too bad, oddly, it will not affect images. I'll make my next post from the SP 350.

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Posted By: woodrim
Date Posted: 12 November 2021 at 15:44
Originally posted by Snegren Snegren wrote:

All with the Minolta RF Rokkor 250mm 1:5.6



Yup, sharp as a tack.

And the SP 500 is probably the best value in mirror lenses.

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Posted By: XKAES
Date Posted: 12 November 2021 at 16:10
Originally posted by woodrim woodrim wrote:

Originally posted by Snegren Snegren wrote:

All with the Minolta RF Rokkor 250mm 1:5.6



Yup, sharp as a tack.

And the SP 500 is probably the best value in mirror lenses.


My "best value" pick has to be the Spiratone Minitel 500mm f8 with a 77mm front filter thread. These are easy to find -- often at $40-50!!! It is really a stripped down Yashica Yashinon-DX 500mm f8 made by Tomioka -- which typically sells for around $200:





This is NOT the Spiratone Minitel-M 500mm f8 with a 72mm front filter thread.


Posted By: Dirk
Date Posted: 12 November 2021 at 21:32
Big donuts, small donuts


D7D + MinO500/8


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Posted By: Dirk
Date Posted: 12 November 2021 at 21:36
Marriage



A900 + MinO 500/8

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Posted By: Fred_S
Date Posted: 13 November 2021 at 19:52
This thread rocks!

Here my fisrt set with the Samyang 6.3/300m (e-mount).

I promissed to show the vignetting. Examples just for the sake of it..
Sharpness seems fine. The chimney is at approx. 50mtrs

#1 Full frame
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#2 APS-C-mode



300mm on APS_C is serious tele which requires a different look at things, but with 90mm MFD it's a pretty versatile lens.


#3 Dahlia
https://www.flickr.com/gp/147603320@N02/8D827s">

#4 Sunrise
https://www.flickr.com/gp/147603320@N02/614681">


#5 And there are the donuts!
https://www.flickr.com/gp/147603320@N02/05N2e3">


#6 And even more donuts
https://www.flickr.com/gp/147603320@N02/k70He4">


#7 Mallard
https://www.flickr.com/gp/147603320@N02/Wm2307">


#8 Subtle donuts
https://www.flickr.com/gp/147603320@N02/8w6PkU">


#9 Mushroom
https://www.flickr.com/gp/147603320@N02/9DgyNV">


#10 Leaf peeping
https://www.flickr.com/gp/147603320@N02/7qk82c">

#11 And usable for candid shots too
https://www.flickr.com/gp/147603320@N02/74AfM8">

All with the lens on my A7R2

So far I like it for what it brings



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Posted By: woodrim
Date Posted: 13 November 2021 at 19:54
Originally posted by XKAES XKAES wrote:


My "best value" pick has to be the Spiratone Minitel 500mm f8 with a 77mm front filter thread. These are easy to find -- often at $40-50!


I have the Minitel M which is a decent lens but very difficult to focus. I have gotten some good images from it. It is the last version of the Minitel and not made by Tomioka; some think Tokina.

I have just purchased a Tomioka version to compare. At $40 with tax and shipping, why not!!!

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Posted By: woodrim
Date Posted: 13 November 2021 at 22:21
Originally posted by Fred_S Fred_S wrote:

This thread rocks!

Here my fisrt set with the Samyang 6.3/300m (e-mount).

I promissed to show the vignetting. Examples just for the sake of it..
Sharpness seems fine. The chimney is at approx. 50mtrs



They look good, Fred. The vignetting is as expected or even less. Sharpness is good. That makes one mirror including this one? I think that's going to change.

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Posted By: neilt3
Date Posted: 14 November 2021 at 02:00
A bit of a grab shot with my Minolta Vectis 400mm Reflex lens on the Sony a7Riv , quite heavily cropped and hand held .
Before the cloud rolled in again !
https://flic.kr/p/2mJEdwg"> https://flic.kr/p/2mJEdwg -
The Moon with a Vectis 400mm Reflex by https://www.flickr.com/photos/neilt3/ - Neil , on Flickr

A few old shots taken with a Tamron Adaptall 350mm f/5.6 Reflex lens on an NEX 7 .

https://flic.kr/p/edTnrK"> https://flic.kr/p/edTnrK -
Max through the mirror by https://www.flickr.com/photos/neilt3/ - Neil , on Flickr

https://flic.kr/p/edTo8n"> https://flic.kr/p/edTo8n -
hungry horse by https://www.flickr.com/photos/neilt3/ - Neil , on Flickr

https://flic.kr/p/edKDhW"> https://flic.kr/p/edKDhW -
Reed Buntings ,building a nest by https://www.flickr.com/photos/neilt3/ - Neil , on Flickr

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Posted By: Dirk
Date Posted: 14 November 2021 at 10:05
Neil, that Tamron adaptable delivers a very special bokeh.
With the reed buntings, I kinda like it, but with the horse, I'd discard it if it were my own shot.
Looks like it please me the closer you get, seeing the dog shot which is for my taste ok, but in terms of bokeh not that attractive.
As always, it's a matter of taste and preference.

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Posted By: Dirk
Date Posted: 14 November 2021 at 10:08
@Fred, that isSamyang delivers sharpness, seeing # 8, 9 10 as close up it works quite well.
Seems in the longer distance it typically delivers mirror lens results, but it pars or even outperforms the MinO 500/8

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Posted By: woodrim
Date Posted: 14 November 2021 at 14:38
Hello, Neil, good to see you here. I have not yet done a moon shot with the Vectis but do believe it is one of the better performing mirrors at distance.

Concerning bokeh, I believe mirrors are in a class of their own and not to be compared to refractor lenses in all respects. The bokeh can certainly be harsh but can also be very pleasing and both can be controlled by the photographer with scene selection and sometimes, positioning. Bokeh issues aside, the mirrors offer a great weight and size advantage and the better ones are plenty sharp enough. There is also something about using a mirror that gives a special satisfaction that I may not be able to completely describe. It may also be that just certain people click with them but again, for reasons I can't define.

Enough years have gone by since most mirrors were produced and there is a new breed of photographers that have no experience with them or just don't know about them. I know many photographers that turn their noses to them, but I have also encountered some that become very intrigued and interested. Within my small circle of photographer friends in Charleston, I have indoctrinated four others who now shoot with them.

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Posted By: XKAES
Date Posted: 14 November 2021 at 14:43
VERY nice shots with the Samyang. I have a Makinon 300mm which I think is the same as the Samyang, but I don't get any vignetting.


Posted By: XKAES
Date Posted: 14 November 2021 at 14:47
Originally posted by woodrim woodrim wrote:

Originally posted by XKAES XKAES wrote:


My "best value" pick has to be the Spiratone Minitel 500mm f8 with a 77mm front filter thread. These are easy to find -- often at $40-50!


I have the Minitel M which is a decent lens but very difficult to focus. I have gotten some good images from it. It is the last version of the Minitel and not made by Tomioka; some think Tokina.

I have just purchased a Tomioka version to compare. At $40 with tax and shipping, why not!!!


I doubt that the Minitel-M was made by Tokina.   I think it was made in South Korea -- Samyang?

Anyway, the Minitel-M has a 72mm front thread. They call the lens an f8, but you can't get a real f8 from 72mm. It will actually be about f8.5 and have light fall-off. You need 77mm, and many 500mm cats have an 82mm front thread.

Which Tomioka CAT did you get? Yashica or Spiratone? The Yashica has a tripod socket.



Posted By: neilt3
Date Posted: 14 November 2021 at 14:48
Originally posted by Dirk Dirk wrote:

Neil, that Tamron adaptable delivers a very special bokeh.
With the reed buntings, I kinda like it, but with the horse, I'd discard it if it were my own shot.
Looks like it please me the closer you get, seeing the dog shot which is for my taste ok, but in terms of bokeh not that attractive.
As always, it's a matter of taste and preference.


Thanks Dirk , Max likes his doughnuts !



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Posted By: woodrim
Date Posted: 14 November 2021 at 14:54
Some of my favorites from the Tamron SP 350 5.6/350...

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Posted By: neilt3
Date Posted: 14 November 2021 at 15:03
Originally posted by woodrim woodrim wrote:

Hello, Neil, good to see you here. I have not yet done a moon shot with the Vectis but do believe it is one of the better performing mirrors at distance.



Cheers Mike .
I took all the lenses out to a park to test them on full frame with mixed results , but picked up the wrong 400mm !
I have three of them and took the front off one to clean it . Put the front element with the secondary mirror in back in . Set it for infinity , and the put the outer front flat element back in but hadn't noticed it turned the main element in a couple of turns meaning maximum focus distance is only a couple if yards , rather than infinity !
Guess which one I picked up ! Still need to reset it .

This time I was thwarted by time and the clouds .



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Posted By: Dirk
Date Posted: 14 November 2021 at 15:04
Originally posted by neilt3 neilt3 wrote:



Thanks Dirk , Max likes his doughnuts !


So your next shot will have ….smoken’ donuts 🙃

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Posted By: woodrim
Date Posted: 14 November 2021 at 15:35
Originally posted by XKAES XKAES wrote:


I doubt that the Minitel-M was made by Tokina.   I think it was made in South Korea -- Samyang?

Anyway, the Minitel-M has a 72mm front thread. They call the lens an f8, but you can't get a real f8 from 72mm. It will actually be about f8.5 and have light fall-off. You need 77mm, and many 500mm cats have an 82mm front thread.

Which Tomioka CAT did you get? Yashica or Spiratone? The Yashica has a tripod socket.


The Minitel M was made in Japan.

I can tell the difference between Yashica and Spiratone even without the tripod mount. Can't get a Yashica for $40. I've had a Yashica ML 500 (Tomioka). Now I'll try the Tomioka made Spiratone and will likely be able to recognize any similarity.

The Yashica ML did not live up to its reputation. Focusing accurately was difficult and the greater the distance, the more difficult. It also did not do well at minimum focus distance. It did provide good sharpness when the focus was perfect.

These from the Yashica ML 500...

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Posted By: XKAES
Date Posted: 14 November 2021 at 16:01
Yashica -- Tomioka -- made a few versions of the 500mm CAT. Differences in lens mount, coating, etc. The Spiratone is not the Yashica ML version -- which was the last Yashica version. The Spiratone Minitel (not the Minitel-M) is a stripped down Yashica DX -- see the Popular Photography review (above).


Posted By: woodrim
Date Posted: 14 November 2021 at 16:24
Originally posted by XKAES XKAES wrote:

Yashica -- Tomioka -- made a few versions of the 500mm CAT. Differences in lens mount, coating, etc. The Spiratone is not the Yashica ML version -- which was the last Yashica version. The Spiratone Minitel (not the Minitel-M) is a stripped down Yashica DX -- see the Popular Photography review (above).


Thank you. I'm very familiar with Fred Spira's history with mirrors dating back to his first rebranded Russiam Maksutov. The ML was not much different from the other Yashica mirrors that preceded it. I expect the Spiratone Minitel to handle much the same. I have only purchased it out of curiosity.

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Posted By: XKAES
Date Posted: 14 November 2021 at 16:26
I should add there there are actually at least three different versions of the Spiratone 500mm f8 Minitel (not the Minitel-M). The differences are minor, such as having the distance scale on the outside or in a window, and who knows why they made these completely-cosmetic changes.

Here they are -- with the Minitel-M on the far right:



Posted By: XKAES
Date Posted: 14 November 2021 at 16:32
The ML is very different from the earlier Yashica models:

Reflex Yashinon DX 500mm f5     M42       6/5

Yashinon-DX 500mm f8 Reflex     M42       6/5

Yashica 500mm f8 Reflex             C/Y       6/5

Yashica ML 500mm f8 Reflex      C/Y       8/6


Posted By: woodrim
Date Posted: 14 November 2021 at 16:45
Originally posted by XKAES XKAES wrote:

The ML is very different from the earlier Yashica models:

Reflex Yashinon DX 500mm f5     M42       6/5

Yashinon-DX 500mm f8 Reflex     M42       6/5

Yashica 500mm f8 Reflex             C/Y       6/5

Yashica ML 500mm f8 Reflex      C/Y       8/6


Until you use it. Functionally and performance-wise, no better from my experience. It was marketing hype.

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Posted By: XKAES
Date Posted: 14 November 2021 at 17:13
We are all entitled to our own opinion of the ML. Here's just one:

"Now don't get me wrong; the Reflex 500 f8 is an excellent lens but the ML is in a league of its own. Smaller and sharper than the Reflex, it completely outperforms the Zeiss 500mm f8 Mirotar (the Zeiss 500 f4.5 is another matter!) and has been reviewed on a number of sites and highly praised. Unfortunately, we all know what that means - they get very scarce as people just won't sell them and the price rockets northwards...

Here's a more extensive look:

http://www.subclub.org/Tomioka.pdf - http://www.subclub.org/Tomioka.pdf


Posted By: Snegren
Date Posted: 15 November 2021 at 10:31
All with Minolta RF Rokkor 250mm 1:5.6 on A7iii. Have it a couple of days now and it is such a joy to use it in the city. Amazing pocket rocket. I noticed sensor dust shows up as donuts, well more like horseshoes, decided not to remove it.

1: Delfse Poort, Rotterdam
https://www.flickr.com/photos/paulemans/51680774769/">
Exposure Time: 0.001 sec (1/1000)
ISO: 640

2: Contrasting
https://www.flickr.com/photos/paulemans/51679298907/">
Exposure Time: 0.008 sec (1/125)
ISO: 160

3: Contrasting
https://www.flickr.com/photos/paulemans/51680774729/">
Exposure Time: 0.008 sec (1/125)
ISO: 250

4: Modern living (foreground donuts!)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/paulemans/51680353783/">
Exposure Time: 0.004 sec (1/250)
ISO: 100

5: Of days gone by
https://www.flickr.com/photos/paulemans/51680989650/">
Exposure Time: 0.008 sec (1/125)
ISO: 640


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Posted By: Snegren
Date Posted: 15 November 2021 at 10:47
Originally posted by woodrim woodrim wrote:

Some of my favorites from the Tamron SP 350 5.6/350...


Love this set Mike!

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Posted By: woodrim
Date Posted: 15 November 2021 at 15:34
Originally posted by Snegren Snegren wrote:

Originally posted by woodrim woodrim wrote:

Some of my favorites from the Tamron SP 350 5.6/350...


Love this set Mike!


Thanks, Paul. Your 250 looks very good. Be careful, it gets addicting. And yes, mirrors are great for exposing sensor dirt. I do remove them.

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