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Topic: A200 Based Flip screen DSLR - Main Discussion
Posted By: ankit
Subject: A200 Based Flip screen DSLR - Main Discussion
Date Posted: 07 January 2008 at 10:17
[Shaocaholica - Main relevant information put into this thread]

For the sake of organization and ease of access, please keep all rumors and discussion of the new flip-screen camera in this thread until they are announced.

What we know so far from the rumors and images are that it looks like the A200 body with some minor modifications to accommodate the swivel screen. The vertical grip is also identical in the images to the A200 grip which has a "3" in the model number.

I would guess that the specs are 90% similar to the A200 but some other MP figures have been thrown around on the Chinese/Taiwan forums which were the source of the initial images.



Sources:
http://forum.xitek.com/showthread.php?threadid=470202&pagenumber=1 - Chinese Forum

http://www.minoltasonyclub.it/cms/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4202&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15 - Minolta Club Italy forum (this appears to be the original source of the new photos)

[Shaocaholica - Main relevant information put into this thread]

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Posted By: ankit
Date Posted: 07 January 2008 at 10:19
Google translate of one of the comments:

"Following the A200, is immediately behind the two fast AF-LiveVIEW truly useful and practical machine will be brought to the LV.

S-users no longer need not envy N, C-LV function with the user, and this two-machine LV function more practical to use, the rest of the C40D "

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Posted By: ricardovaste
Date Posted: 07 January 2008 at 12:46
Wow i got a bit excited then! But if you look at the top right, the button there, does not correspond with the button shown on the official release photos. Surely sony would have mentioned a slip screen also. Oh well.

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Posted By: albnok
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 03:58
That button up there's a Live View icon!

What official release photos? This must be a leak of something other than the A200.


Posted By: ph0t0man
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 04:02
My guess is that the a300, which also uses the same grip as the a200, also has almost the same feature set, but instead of a pentamirror viewfinder and 2.7" LCD, it has a EVF and flip-out 2.7" LCD.


Posted By: amolmd
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 04:10
Two more to go.
10MP live view with better AF than A200
14MP live view better than C40D
No more details.


Posted By: Hoffy
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 04:18
Very interesting images in that thread. Yes, that is the flip screen, but is that from the camera in the first post (which I am assuming is what has been dubbed the A900).

Interesting times ahead


Posted By: PhotoTraveler
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 07:08
That image to me looks very legit. I would say it is indeed the A300 (most definitely not the A900).   Be curious to see if the camera has any OVF.

But for me, I just don't see the purpose of the flip out screen.   To me, those are a legacy concept from the days of LCDs that are hard to view at angles. You can view the A700 screen from all angles right up until your so off to the size their is no screen to see.   I don't see the tilting of the screen being of any help at this point, just added bulk and complexity.   But if that's what people think it needs, I guess that is what Sony is doing.


Posted By: albnok
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 07:33
I don't know why they can't make a side flip ala Olympus E-3 and the Panasonic L10; it's obvious that side flipping is not legally proprietary.

Flip out screens would work for low grass macro and uh... upskirting, if this camera is the silent killer.


Posted By: ADub128
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 07:37
My Dimage A2 has a similar flip out screen that I use occasionally when shooting in close quarters -- waist level shooting. If my DSLR had live view, I'd want a flip screen for it. It would be good for overhead shots too if it flips down (the A2 only flips down slightly).

With a flip screen, you can keep the camera close to the body when taking pictures. This is in contrast to the typical P&S "hold the camera 2 feet (~0.67m) in front of your face" unergonomic strategy.

The Dimage A2 EVF flipped up too, giving you several viewing/composing options. I think the follow-up A200 got rid of this feature -- perhaps in a cost reduction move. I just checked DPReview and the Sony Cybershot DSC H9 has a flip screen too, so both KM and Sony have had experience with this.

Generally speaking though, I prefer an optical viewfinder.

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Posted By: lozw
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 10:30
Originally posted by ADub128 ADub128 wrote:

I just checked DPReview and the Sony Cybershot DSC H9 has a flip screen too, so both KM and Sony have had experience with this.


That degree of movement would be fine for me. BTW, for anyone else it's shown http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/SonyH9/page2.asp - here

I wouldn't want it to replace the OVF, but I would find that useful for a lot of low-level macro flower shots I take. If it was a 920k display with 10x magnification on LV, that would really help with macro focusing.


Posted By: cezarL
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 12:40
What if they bring an EVF of very high quality? As I understand it, the KM A2 had 930.000 pixels on theirs, and that was back in 2004... maybe Sony have developed a 2megapixel EVF, comparable in size with the A700 OVF, for example.

As for live-view, a flip-screen is the only version which I really find useful on a dSLR. It would have been nice if this new camera(or cameras?) had an ultra-thin OLED display like Sony's new TV, XEL-1 :)



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Posted By: sparky81
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 13:09
Are we going to be the first one (from Canon, Nikon, Sony) to have flip screen in (lets call it A300) dSLR?

If yes, that would make me very happy about it because I read a lot "A700 has no live View".... And if, it seems like il will, A300 have LV and flip screen, it will make it a lot more sensible that what Canon/Nikon did...

I really don't miss LV... And I think I'll never will. But for studio and macro shooters, who puts their cameras very low at tripods, LV is blessing but only if You can flip the screen up to see it without hurting back :)

And one more thing... I think that that way of fliping is just enough. No need to flip it side way. It would make it slower to open and close back... And easier to damage. No point to close it at all so... The way it is showed is the best solution for dSLR :D

Sony... GREAT JOB!!!!!


Posted By: mawz
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 14:43
Originally posted by sparky81 sparky81 wrote:

Are we going to be the first one (from Canon, Nikon, Sony) to have flip screen in (lets call it A300) dSLR?

If yes, that would make me very happy about it because I read a lot "A700 has no live View".... And if, it seems like il will, A300 have LV and flip screen, it will make it a lot more sensible that what Canon/Nikon did...

I really don't miss LV... And I think I'll never will. But for studio and macro shooters, who puts their cameras very low at tripods, LV is blessing but only if You can flip the screen up to see it without hurting back :)

And one more thing... I think that that way of fliping is just enough. No need to flip it side way. It would make it slower to open and close back... And easier to damage. No point to close it at all so... The way it is showed is the best solution for dSLR :D

Sony... GREAT JOB!!!!!


Gotta admit I like the E-300 style flip-out LCD, makes a nice waistlevel finder for street shooting and low-angle work. I actually like the P&S style flip-out screen on the E-3 much less, it's better for odd angles, but not nearly as subtle for street shooting. I've long considered getting an E-300 and the Zuiko 11-22 for shooting street, but something similar in a mount I'd actually buy more than 1 lens for is even better.

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Posted By: ADub128
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 16:43
Originally posted by cezarL cezarL wrote:

What if they bring an EVF of very high quality? As I understand it, the KM A2 had 930.000 pixels on theirs, and that was back in 2004... maybe Sony have developed a 2megapixel EVF, comparable in size with the A700 OVF, for example.


I don't think my A2 EVF is that high resolution. Besides resolution, the other key issue is display frame rate. I don't like the jerkiness that you see when you pan, or if you have a fast moving subject. If Sony can tackle both frame rate and resolution, then EVF is a good alternative to an OVF.

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Posted By: OldScotch
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 17:16
Originally posted by PhotoTraveler PhotoTraveler wrote:

That image to me looks very legit. I would say it is indeed the A300 (most definitely not the A900).


Um... why? The first image on the forum looks a lot like the a900 mock-up at last year's PMA.


Posted By: cezarL
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 17:27
Yeah...the first image shows the A900 mock-up, but the second one (the one with the flip-screen) shows the rear part of the A200 body layout, with one extra button (for live-view probably).

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Posted By: yoda-says
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 17:33
Sony had a flip screen in 1998 FD-91

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Posted By: cezarL
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 17:42
Originally posted by ADub128 ADub128 wrote:

Originally posted by cezarL cezarL wrote:

the KM A2 had 930.000 pixels on theirs, and that was back in 2004...


I don't think my A2 EVF is that high resolution.



I never had an A2, I got that info from http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/konicaminoltaa2/page3.asp - the DPR review of the camera (scroll down the page to the Electronic ViewFinder part).

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Posted By: Shaocaholica
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 18:23
Originally posted by ADub128 ADub128 wrote:

[QUOTE=cezarL]I don't think my A2 EVF is that high resolution.


Its as high as it gets at 640x480.


Posted By: ankit
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 21:35
Here is another photo someone posted on dpreview. Looks like the A200 with live-view.



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Posted By: ricardovaste
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 21:39
Wow is this for real? I dont understand. Why would they not put live view in the A700 and then suddenly in a new model? Assuming both models were designed around the same time...

DOF preview & live view with tilt screen makes a nice macro camera

Originally posted by OldScotch OldScotch wrote:

Originally posted by PhotoTraveler PhotoTraveler wrote:

That image to me looks very legit. I would say it is indeed the A300 (most definitely not the A900).


Um... why? The first image on the forum looks a lot like the a900 mock-up at last year's PMA.


Its clearly a lower spec camera to the A700, so it cant be the A900.

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Posted By: ankit
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 21:42
Originally posted by ricardovaste ricardovaste wrote:

Wow is this for real? I dont understand. Why would they not put live view in the A700 and then suddenly in a new model? Assuming both models were designed around the same time...

DOF preview & live view with tilt screen makes a nice macro camera


Looks real to me :) I wonder if there is an A700+LV in the works...

Also, if this is like the A200, no DOF preview :(

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Posted By: cezarL
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 21:47
It doesn't seem to have DOF preview, at least the corresponding A100 button isn't on the body where it should be.
I see a third button on the upper plate... I wonder what that is for?


Hmmm... questions, questions... What type of VF? What sensor?


The viewfinder casing is different from A200, as far as I can tell, but... what does that mean?

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Posted By: DaveK
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 22:25
My first thought was also: 'Is this real?'

I don't miss LV coz I'm an old fashioned guy, but I really do like the looks of it. Also the grip, looks very firm to me (a whole lot better than the decaingrip I use on mu A100). If it's real? Well done Sony!

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Posted By: harveyzone
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 22:28
Originally posted by ricardovaste ricardovaste wrote:

Wow is this for real? I dont understand. Why would they not put live view in the A700 and then suddenly in a new model? Assuming both models were designed around the same time...
The thought had crossed my mind that they might have a sister range... A700, A700L, A200, A200L, A900, A900L, A500, A500L etc. A camera for everyones needs and budget.

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Posted By: Shaocaholica
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 22:35
Originally posted by harveyzone harveyzone wrote:

The thought had crossed my mind that they might have a sister range... A700, A700L, A200, A200L, A900, A900L, A500, A500L etc. A camera for everyones needs and budget.


Thats kind of overly complicated from a distribution and marketing point of view. Better just to have one model with all the functions.


Posted By: CTYankee
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 22:39
I wonder if there's any coincidence if the new model has live view but no DOF preview ... just wondering if there's going to be more to this LV implementation than meets the eye.

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Posted By: Shaocaholica
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 22:41
Perhaps LV mode is always using stop down so there would be no need for DOF when using LV.


Posted By: ricardovaste
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 22:42
I agree, interesting idea, but i dont see it happening at all. Maybe just one unique model in the line up with live view at first? Would certainly allow for as much variation between the first 5 models. Plenty of choices, all offering something of their own. What any system needs i guess... but then continuity is also important - liveview through out the line up eventually i guess. but if they had the technology why not include it inthe A700??? Are sony maybe saying liveview is still an 'amateur/p&s" feature? Or just a way of luring in P&S/bridge camera users to the sony mount? OR i dont know.. so many options.

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Posted By: CTYankee
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 22:44
That thought came to mind, though I have to believe AF would suffer as a result ... unless a new AF system is somehow less bothered by low light. Or maybe DOF preview is activated by a different control if implemented on a camera where it only works in live view mode since you don't have the camera to your eye and don't need to press a button with your left hand index finger. Or ... maybe they just cheaped out :)

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Posted By: cezarL
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 22:44
Judging by the looks of the pics (the state of the camera shown), this is what we're going to get at PMA.

Well... I must admit I'm a bit disappointed. I had hoped the next release would be something above A100-A200 and under A700. This looks to be an A200 with live-view. All bright and shiny, but I don't think it will have a pentaprism VF (that's my main concern regarding the A200), so... I don't think that it's the camera I want :(


PS-I took around 25-30 shots today for the OnePrime challenge because I couldn't AF in the exact point I wanted (the outmost AF sensor wasn't as much out as I needed) and MF was a pain in the poor light. I believe a bigger VF would have helped a lot, hence my wish for the next camera I buy.

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Posted By: sybersitizen
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 22:46
Where is it documented that the A200 has no DOF preview? That little beveled edge might have a button that isn't visible. Phil Askey thinks it's there somewhere according to his specifications page (about halfway down):

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0801/08010701sonydslra200.asp - http://www.dpreview.com/news/0801/08010701sonydslra200.asp


Posted By: eldonito
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 22:50
Hmmm, still no AF assist light ...maybe I am "doomed" to get the a700 (financial circumstances allowing)

...actually, doesn't the area that would have had such a light (up-right from lens mount) look a bit photoshopped? Maybe it's just my impression.

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Posted By: harveyzone
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 22:53
Originally posted by eldonito eldonito wrote:

Hmmm, still no AF assist light ...maybe I am "doomed" to get the a700 (financial circumstances allowing)

...actually, doesn't the area that would have had such a light (up-right from lens mount) look a bit photoshopped? Maybe it's just my impression.
Maybe, but that is where "a200" is printed on the a200, so whoever created the images is probably just disguising the model name.

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Posted By: cezarL
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 22:53
Sorry to disappoint you, but that area is photoshopped just to hide the camera name (A300?)

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Posted By: kefkafloyd
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 22:53
I noticed a third button on the top plate that's next to what are presumably the ISO and Drive buttons. What would this button do? White balance like on the a700?

(and I'm not referring to the button on the back of the camera next to the AEL button, that's obviously the live view button)

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Posted By: CTYankee
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 22:55
cezarL ... go back to the first or second post in the thread ... assuming this source is valid at all, it specifies two new cameras (10MP and 14MP IIRC) so there's hope yet ! [Edit: I take it back, the reference to 2 models was from another poster, so who knows ?]

Syber ... Michael Hohner got hold of the A200 manual (posted a link somewhere ... on the Sony site, I believe) and verified that it does not have DOF preview. DPreview put the available specs into their A200 table, then copied the rest from the A100 ... initially, many of the specs (LCD size, camera dimensions) were incorrect and they either haven't bothered or haven't confirmed DOF preview yet.

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Posted By: kiklop
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 22:59
Originally posted by cezarL cezarL wrote:

Judging by the looks of the pics (the state of the camera shown), this is what we're going to get at PMA.

:)
Originally posted by cezarL cezarL wrote:

Well... I must admit I'm a bit disappointed. I had hoped the next release would be something above A100-A200 and under A700.

Hard to imagine any "room" for another model since one yet to be announced model will bring a bit more than just a200 and live view
Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

Where is it documented that the A200 has no DOF preview?

You may missed the link to a200 manual
http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/model-documents.pl?mdl=DSLRA200K
Originally posted by cezarL cezarL wrote:

Sorry to disappoint you, but that area is photoshopped just to hide the camera name (A300?)

Yes and no .. now go figure

After the PMA, many of you will have more than enough time to consider if and what to get. As i already suggested don't rush with spending the money; PMA isn't distant and many answers will be given at that time.

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Posted By: Octupi
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 23:00
I just have to say that it looks like Sony is about to make new users really question what system to buy. They are going to quickly pull would-be N/C buyers in since they have such a big marketing group, brand recognition and money to do so.

The ship is starting to power up and moving...only more good things to come, w/ more attention it means prices drop, 3rd party accessories are easier to find and we all get happy.   

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Posted By: kefkafloyd
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 23:03
My hope is that the A300 is the 5D replacement. A cut down a700 with good image quality and good performance (at LEAST 12 shot raw buffer, 15 would be preferable). I could live with 3 FPS but 4 would be gravy. I don't particularly care about Live View but an articulating screen is always nice for a waist level finder. It has to be the D90 killer, basically.

Also, when will Shao give me a cut for being promoted to mod? Without me he would have never joined the Sonolta camp... ;) I kid.

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Posted By: pnaciona
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 23:07
I hope Sony doesn't take everything we write here too seriously (assuming they read this forum). ;)

I'm trying hard not to say anything but let me just express an opinion once again... an SLR without a mirror box and optical viewfinder is not an SLR.

It would be good to see a Sony model with a live view but I hope they keep working on improving the cameras' output (image) quality. Can't wait to see how the A200 compares to the A100 in terms of IQ.

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Posted By: sybersitizen
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 23:15
Originally posted by CTYankee CTYankee wrote:

Syber ... Michael Hohner got hold of the A200 manual (posted a link somewhere ... on the Sony site, I believe) and verified that it does not have DOF preview.

Found the post and the manual, thanks. Jeez - add some nice features and remove a few other important ones. That was a favorite tactic of our old friends at Minolta, too. :(


Posted By: cezarL
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 23:20
Mmm... I don't really know how LV works on Canikons but... my H1 had a nice feature: it allowed zooming in on a selected area for more precise "manual" focusing. Darn! I sold it a year ago and I can't remember exactly how that worked...
I wonder if that's possible with the current LV systems (or this "upcoming" one)

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Posted By: kiklop
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 23:22
Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:


add some nice features and remove a few other important ones. That was a favorite tactic of our old friends at Minolta, too. :(

Yes, but the problem is that Sony is doing things faster (especially second ones) :)

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Posted By: Shaocaholica
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 23:29
Originally posted by cezarL cezarL wrote:

Mmm... I don't really know how LV works on Canikons but... my H1 had a nice feature: it allowed zooming in on a selected area for more precise "manual" focusing. Darn! I sold it a year ago and I can't remember exactly how that worked...
I wonder if that's possible with the current LV systems (or this "upcoming" one)


Thats already possible with the Canikon ones. There is a video of it in action on the DPR D300 preview.


Posted By: Elgsdyr
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 23:40
Originally posted by Kiklop Kiklop wrote:

Originally posted by cezarL cezarL wrote:

Sorry to disappoint you, but that area is photoshopped just to hide the camera name (A300?)

Yes and no .. now go figure

My bet is the semi-spotted A200 Ultra.

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Posted By: sybersitizen
Date Posted: 08 January 2008 at 23:48
Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

That was a favorite tactic of our old friends at Minolta, too. :(

Originally posted by Kiklop Kiklop wrote:

Yes, but the problem is that Sony is doing things faster (especially second ones) :)

I was mostly thinking back to the prehistoric days of manual focus film SLRs. Every time Minolta made a generational update to newer technology (XK/M > XD > X700), other important things that the older cameras had were taken away. Oh well...


Posted By: cezarL
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 00:01
OK... I've taken a closer look at the images of this new model (I'll call it A-LV to make it easier in comparisons). I want to highlight a couple of things, think it's better with pictures:

- the viewfinder is different between the two models (A200 to the left, A-LV to the right)

      

Notice the A-LV has a small... protuberance right under the flashfoot, while A200 doesn't. Does this mean it's a different VF system, or just a cosmetic gimmick? (I doubt the latter, it would be pointless)

- the grip is different as well (same as before, A200 in the left corner, A-LV in the right one)

      

Not sure whether this is good or bad, I like the A100 grip (A200 has a similar one).

- a third button on the top plate on A-LV (no pic needed, it can be clearly seen on the original). I wonder what that's for?

- and...is it just me, or do the materials look different on the two cameras?


PS-sorry for the size discrepancies, I was in a hurry and I uploaded them at the original sizes, didn't bother to check resolutions, but I think they should all do fine

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Posted By: harveyzone
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 00:04
Originally posted by Elgsdyr Elgsdyr wrote:

My bet is the semi-spotted A200 Ultra.
Good call. That makes a lot of sense and ties up well with the other snippets of rumour floating about.

I will have to adapt my naming scheme... A700, A700 Ultra, A200, A200 Ultra, A900, A900 Ultra, A500, A500 Ultra etc

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Posted By: Winwalloe
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 00:17
Mmmm yup, version with live view as a200 Ultra rather than a300, that's interesting. OTOH on dpreview the flip screen pic was mentioned as showing the a500 if I'm right... that'd be impressive if they doubled up the lineup this way though!

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Posted By: cezarL
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 00:19
I'm not saying you're wrong about A200Ultra but.... aaargh that's an ugly name :)

Now... who's willing to bet that whenever this camera comes out, most "reviewers" will have the LV pinned down on the "con-s" list, because it's just tilt, not tilt & swivel? :))

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Posted By: ankit
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 00:23
Originally posted by harveyzone harveyzone wrote:

Originally posted by Elgsdyr Elgsdyr wrote:

My bet is the semi-spotted A200 Ultra.
Good call. That makes a lot of sense and ties up well with the other snippets of rumour floating about.

I will have to adapt my naming scheme... A700, A700 Ultra, A200, A200 Ultra, A900, A900 Ultra, A500, A500 Ultra etc


Assuming Kiklop knows the real name, and from the fact that the forum is now renamed to "Alpha 200/***/***", I doubt the camera name is Alpha 200 Ultra. Just a thought

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Posted By: ab012
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 00:23
arhhh thanks for spotting the grip difference... kept thinking something didnt look 'right' in the original pic and thats it!



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Posted By: cezarL
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 00:26
Well... Kiklop once mentioned A200/A300/A350 in another thread. A200 is out, and he dismissed my A300 hint. That leaves us with... A350?


(this is hit or miss, as Mladen himself said at the time that he wasn't 100% sure about the names, if I remember correctly)

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Posted By: ankit
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 00:26
cezarL, interesting bit about the grip. I wonder why they would modify the grip for this camera. Could it have something to do with easier handling with live view? iirc all other minolta/sony dslr's hava had the A200 style grip.

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Posted By: ankit
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 00:28
Originally posted by cezarL cezarL wrote:

Well... Kiklop once mentioned A200/A300/A350 in another thread. A200 is out, and he dismissed my A300 hint. That leaves us with... A350?

(this is hit or miss, as Mladen himself said at the time that he wasn't 100% sure about the names, if I remember correctly)


Someone on dpreview who seemed to "know" stuff also suggested it is not called A300. Argh... I hate this guessing game!

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Posted By: PMac
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 00:48
Trying to look at everything Sony has said in the past and their recent camera strategy, the market and these photos what do you get?

Well, the A700 at $US1400 - a solid, traditional pro-am camera - no live view but an interesting statement that Sony didnt included this feature as it couldnt be done properly in this type of body.

The A200 at $700, A solid, traditional low end camera based heavily upon the previous generation and interestingly described as a "mainstream" camera.

Also hark back to the press release from Sony describing their new chip:

“Readout mode: All-pixel scan mode (12 bit:10.39 frame/s)”

I'm reminded of an Australian comedian I saw once who said he hated his mother referring to the "good" scissors as he always felt this term implied the existance of the "evil" scissors somewhere in the house. Taking Sony's statements they appear to clearly imply the existance of another way of doing things in a "non" mainstream kind of way.

So imagine a non. mainstream camera configured to make full use of live view. Now give it a price tag of $US1000 and consider the market, technology and where Sony could go - what would make the A200 Ultra/A300/Fred special.

Here's my guesses at the headline feature set- we'll see if I'm right come PMA I suspect:

1. Live view (obvious)

2. EViL

3. A200 body but many A700 internals – so 12 MP CMOS sensor, new Bionz chipset (whereas A200 based on A100 chip)

4. possibly an extremely high frame rate say 10 fps at 12MP, 20+ at reduced resolutions (see the new 60FPS casio).

A real wildcard and something I doubt but would really shake up the market would be a movie mode.


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Posted By: kiklop
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 01:08
Originally posted by ankit ankit wrote:

I hate this guessing game!

Just by looking at very few threads here carefully, and by following some external links provided by some members one is able to know what is to be expected.
Of course, the problem is that the noise/signal ratio is high :)

But .. what count the most is that we are finally at the stage where Sony has managed to prepare alpha system future and from now on we can expect a very dynamic future that may cover most needs.

The problem however is ... that too many people may spend too much time reading about cameras instead of using them

Happy shooting !

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Posted By: mdecorte
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 01:14
Hmmm, compared to the a200, there seem to be two new buttons on this camera.

- On the back by the AEL button that is a box with arrows pointing out
- On the top in front of the drive button. From the picture I can't see much except it's there.





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Posted By: PMac
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 01:18
When the A200 appeared a lot of people wondered at a battery grip for such a low end camera. Maybe this implementation and the live view was the driving force behind that decision.

(yeah I know the grips are slightly different)

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Posted By: Riccati
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 01:31
Originally posted by PMacinSeattle PMacinSeattle wrote:


I'm reminded of an Australian comedian I saw once who said he hated his mother referring to the "good" scissors as he always felt this term implied the existance of the "evil" scissors somewhere in the house.


Ahh, classic stuff.
Not to nitpick or go too far off topic, but that was Tony Martin, and he's actually a kiwi. Although it was on an Australian TV show (the Late Show).

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Posted By: PMac
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 02:03
You are right he was a kiwi but as usual if he's any good (and he is) we Australians will claim him.

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Posted By: Hoffy
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 02:20
But all good Kiwi's are adopted as Australians. (BTW, you guys can have Russell Crowe back...)

From reading the rest of the thread, I have determined:

  • Kiklop knows what is happening & rightly so, is playing his cards close to his chest
  • All the clues are here, we just need to work them out
  • I am glad that I stuck with the A mount


I am currently contimplating what an EVil interchangeable lens camera means to me. As long as it means DSLR like performance I would seriously consider it. The current LV technology out there is a crap. If this addresses the issues, then I think Sony are on a winner


Posted By: Swede101
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 02:27

Originally posted by ricardovaste ricardovaste wrote:

Wow is this for real? I dont understand. Why would they not put live view in the A700 and then suddenly in a new model? Assuming both models were designed around the same time...
...
Its clearly a lower spec camera to the A700, ...

I remember that Sony a couple of months ago (at the A700 release) stated that the Live View technology wasn't yet good enough to be put into an advanced amateur model camera like the A700.
But as you said - A200 is clearly a lower spec camera - so appearently they thought they could throw it into this "A250" (or whatever).

Of course I wasn't invited to the release party, I read about it here on Dyxum... :-)



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Posted By: albnok
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 02:32
The Canon 350D has a vertical grip and is the lowest of the Canons. So why not the lowest of the Sonys? Since this is not a D40/X competitor anyway.


Posted By: Swede101
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 02:33

Originally posted by Hoffy Hoffy wrote:

...
  • I am glad that I stuck with the A mount
...

Me too!



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Posted By: ADub128
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 02:38
Originally posted by Kiklop Kiklop wrote:

But .. what count the most is that we are finally at the stage where Sony has managed to prepare alpha system future and from now on we can expect a very dynamic future that may cover most needs.

The problem however is ... that too many people may spend too much time reading about cameras instead of using them


I completely agree with Kiklop. It's great to see a complete Sony line-up that is arguably very competitive with the entrenched SLR players. It's so nice to have so many camera feature and price point alternatives for my A-mount lenses, something Minolta could not pull off.

The King is dead (Minolta). Long live the King (Sony)!

Thanks to Sony, we can stay in "Alphaland". We're not *forced* to move to Nikonland, Canonland, Olympusland, Pentaxland, etc. to continue to enjoy our hobbies and professions. It's great to be able to choose what works best for *you* -- pick orange (me and others here), yellow (dCap, gvknight), red (H20Boy). Options, options, options ... awesome.

Now go take some pictures ... there are still over 20 days in January Madness!

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Posted By: Magnus Wedberg
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 03:18
Well well, this makes me think http://www.magnuswedberg.com/index.php?doc=2011_predictions - my 2011 predictions are arriving even faster than I thought. Alpha Handycam, anyone? ;-)

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Posted By: Shaocaholica
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 03:37
Originally posted by Magnus Wedberg Magnus Wedberg wrote:

Well well, this makes me think http://www.magnuswedberg.com/index.php?doc=2011_predictions - my 2011 predictions are arriving even faster than I thought. Alpha Handycam, anyone? ;-)


Well the RED camera system is already here and its got a 12MP Super35 size sensor, can take SLR lenses with an adapter and can capture 12MP at 60fps to a hard disk array using standard protocols. Still, its pricey but the market and technology have already arrived :)


Posted By: PhotoTraveler
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 03:47
Can someone please point me to this A900 connection. I have yet to see anything with it or connecting it. The only thing is how random asian forums show the off the shelf Sony Flagship mockup at the top of a bunch of threads. Nothing has shown an A900 with a flip or screen, everything with the screen is A200/300

Originally posted by OldScotch OldScotch wrote:

Originally posted by PhotoTraveler PhotoTraveler wrote:

That image to me looks very legit. I would say it is indeed the A300 (most definitely not the A900).


Um... why? The first image on the forum looks a lot like the a900 mock-up at last year's PMA.


Posted By: Mud.Starrr
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 06:02
Look at the difference between the grip and the optional grip on it.
I think this is still a test/beta model, not to expected on the market very soon.
Maybe somewhere fall as a replacement for the (temporary?) A200?



Posted By: wbelac
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 07:34
Originally posted by Shaocaholica Shaocaholica wrote:

Originally posted by Magnus Wedberg Magnus Wedberg wrote:

Well well, this makes me think http://www.magnuswedberg.com/index.php?doc=2011_predictions - my 2011 predictions are arriving even faster than I thought. Alpha Handycam, anyone? ;-)


Well the RED camera system is already here and its got a 12MP Super35 size sensor, can take SLR lenses with an adapter and can capture 12MP at 60fps to a hard disk array using standard protocols. Still, its pricey but the market and technology have already arrived :)


To add to this line of thought, I read somewhere that one of the Sony higher end video cameras (pro quality) can use alpha mount lenses. I can't seem to find it again, but I'm pretty sure that I read it.

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Posted By: Shaocaholica
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 08:20
Originally posted by wbelac wbelac wrote:


To add to this line of thought, I read somewhere that one of the Sony higher end video cameras (pro quality) can use alpha mount lenses. I can't seem to find it again, but I'm pretty sure that I read it.


That sounds cool but I don't have much hope in Sony bringing professional video features to consumer priced cameras. They have too many loyalties and politics with the film and broadcast industries that conflict with releasing consumer video products with pro features even if those features are old tech that can be implemented cheaply. It will take a company like RED which doesn't have all the internal politics to bring affordable professional video to the masses.


Posted By: Heidfirst
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 09:15

Originally posted by PMacinSeattle PMacinSeattle wrote:



3. A200 body but many A700 internals – so 12 MP CMOS sensor, new Bionz chipset (whereas A200 based on A100 chip)

afaik every other DSLR with LV uses a CMOS chip rather than CCD (presumably there is some kind of advantage with CMOS or a problem with CCD) so that sounds reasonable.


Posted By: ekaitsou
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 12:01
Hi, I've been away from a computer for three days and miss all the fun.

I really hope this is an EVIL. I love the idea of a camera that is silent because of an electronic shutter and able to shoot from the waist. Really makes for a nice street photography camera. I'm not sure but if it has an electronic shutter does that mean that its SSS will actually be more effective without the mirror slap?


Posted By: redsilverfox
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 12:27
FYI I think the Sony video camera you mention is this one: HVR-Z7E http://www.sony.co.uk/biz/view/ShowProduct.action?product=HVR-Z7E&site=biz_en_GB&pageType=Overview&imageType=Main&category=HDVCamcorders - HVR-Z7E it uses interchangeable video lenses (video lenses are built differently to stills lenses) but can use alpha mount lenses with a special adapter... it looks like a great little camera but still uses the Sony HDV format which is horribly compressed. RED on the other hand is another beast altogether which offers full uncompressed 4K video which is a far higher quality than HD - but before you get too excited a decent set of 35mm primes will cost you about L70,000 - and try getting RED to actually deliver one! A little bit off subject for the A200 but there you go.


Posted By: ricardovaste
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 12:41
Originally posted by Heidfirst Heidfirst wrote:


Originally posted by PMacinSeattle PMacinSeattle wrote:



3. A200 body but many A700 internals – so 12 MP CMOS sensor, new Bionz chipset (whereas A200 based on A100 chip)

afaik every other DSLR with LV uses a CMOS chip rather than CCD (presumably there is some kind of advantage with CMOS or a problem with CCD) so that sounds reasonable.


From what is on this thread we can have a logical guess at:

- A350
- 12MP CMOS
- LIVE VIEW with TILT action screen

Those seem fairly certain AFAIK.

- Better/sturdier build - looks like different finish, better grip (looks similar to my dynax 7)
- EV ? Im not convinced on this one, but only because its quite 'out there' for a DSLR of TODAY
- 10FPS - I cant see that happening, with the A700 at only 5FP. I would welcome 4, no less.
- Same grip as the A200
- Same screen as A200 (?)
- There is a button on the top place that is unknown. Hopefully for metering, but i welcome any external button rather than a menu.

Ive probably missed a few things - add to the list!

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Posted By: cezarL
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 13:09
David Kilpatrick said in a DPR thread that he thinks this new camera might have an upscaled version of the R1 sensor: CMOS, 10mp 1.7x crop. A 1.5x crop version would be 12mp, so that fits in to PMac and Ricardo's assumption.


Speaking of DPR (and I hope no-one will mind me hot-linking a pic here), here's an interesting comparison between A200 and A-LV(A350) "stolen" from DPR:



This was done to prove that the LCD's have the same 2.7" size, but I'm more worried by another aspect: the control dial is moved waaay to the left on A-LV. I wonder how will that affect the ergonomics of the camera :(

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Posted By: kiklop
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 13:13
Originally posted by cezarL cezarL wrote:

David Kilpatrick said in a DPR thread that he thinks this new camera might have an upscaled version of the R1 sensor: CMOS, 10mp 1.7x crop. A 1.5x crop version would be 12mp, so that fits in to PMac and Ricardo's assumption.


Nope ... this isn't true AFAIK

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Posted By: cezarL
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 13:16
And in this comparison a couple of differences I mentioned earlier are (hopefully) more visible:

- the different VF casing
- the choice of body materials

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Posted By: cezarL
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 13:17
Kiklop, glad we have that taken out of the way :)

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Posted By: HaH.
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 13:32
Originally posted by wbelac wbelac wrote:

To add to this line of thought, I read somewhere that one of the Sony higher end video cameras (pro quality) can use alpha mount lenses. I can't seem to find it again, but I'm pretty sure that I read it.

ALPHA-lenses for BETA-cams.

Mmmhhhhhh.....

That might be an interesting development.

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Posted By: ph0t0man
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 13:36
Anyone notice in that little comparison shot that the viewfinder in the A?? is nice and square, and also dark compared to the a200. To me, that is looking a lot like a EVF in there, NOT a pentamirror. Funny that they kept the shape so similar when functionally they are so different. Probably just for style similarity across the line.

Thanks to whomever put that together...


Posted By: ricardovaste
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 13:37
Originally posted by cezarL cezarL wrote:

This was done to prove that the LCD's have the same 2.7" size, but I'm more worried by another aspect: the control dial is moved waaay to the left on A-LV. I wonder how will that affect the ergonomics of the camera :(


I just tried the positioning with my A100. It doesnt feel comfortable at all . But then if the actual front grip is positioned differently that may change everything. Good spot though, could be a big compromise.

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Posted By: cezarL
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 13:41
It would all be worthless if the cameras have different sizes. I mean...they may look the same now, and we can up/down-scale pics to bring them to the same size, but... what if that is a 3" tilting LCD?
That means the A-LV body is wider & taller than A200. Together with a deeper grip, the handling could be completely different :)

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Posted By: ricardovaste
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 13:44
So are we more or less 100% sure this camera (A350?) and the A900 will be 'released' at PMA?

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Posted By: cezarL
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 13:47
Mmmm... yeah... kind of :)
At least you've got that "more or less" part right LOL

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Posted By: lozw
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 16:17
Originally posted by ricardovaste ricardovaste wrote:

So are we more or less 100% sure this camera (A350?) and the A900 will be 'released' at PMA?


I am 100% sure they might be 'released' at PMA...


Posted By: kiklop
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 18:37
Originally posted by ricardovaste ricardovaste wrote:

So are we more or less 100% sure this camera (A350?) and the A900 will be 'released' at PMA?

This is something i really have no answer .. but i wouldn't be surprised if a900 comes a bit later (may (or may not) be announced at PMA but will definitely come to market later). It may be just too much to see 3 cameras released at the exact same time :)

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Posted By: BigPete
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 18:43
Originally posted by Brian Fantana Brian Fantana wrote:

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Sorry, could't resist!

Back on topic, does anyone else think that the grip looks less comfortable?


Posted By: Ozoger
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 18:54
Any chance of an alternating EVF/OVF ? is such a thing possible ?

I think the advantages of both EVF and OVF plus keeping your eye on the viewfinder would be great.

Fran. (newbie comment, go sony!)

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Posted By: Tindrum
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 19:09
Originally posted by Kiklop Kiklop wrote:

Originally posted by ricardovaste ricardovaste wrote:

So are we more or less 100% sure this camera (A350?) and the A900 will be 'released' at PMA?

This is something i really have no answer .. but i wouldn't be surprised if a900 comes a bit later (may (or may not) be announced at PMA but will definitely come to market later). It may be just too much to see 3 cameras released at the exact same time :)


Why do I believe the A900 will be released no later than summer?

Sony has had a lot of press recently about it's sponsoring of events, and a recent deal with FIFA. 2 major events are upcoming in the Summer of 2008, the European Championships and Beijing Olympics. Both of which would be a great opportunity to show off what the A900 can do!

Of course, I will probably be wrong too!


Posted By: douglasf13
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 19:09
Am I crazy, or does the screen size comparison picture with the red line not quite make sense? To me, it looks like the red line in the A?? pic doesn't go corner to corner. IMO the screen on the A?? looks a touch bigger.

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Posted By: bharnois
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 19:18
Welcome Ozoger, no doubt the others will welcome you in a few minutes. But this is a hot topic and people are distracted!

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Posted By: Mud.Starrr
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 19:25
Originally posted by Kiklop Kiklop wrote:

Originally posted by ricardovaste ricardovaste wrote:

So are we more or less 100% sure this camera (A350?) and the A900 will be 'released' at PMA?

This is something i really have no answer .. but i wouldn't be surprised if a900 comes a bit later (may (or may not) be announced at PMA but will definitely come to market later). It may be just too much to see 3 cameras released at the exact same time :)

It would be great though.
If Sony is capable in doing such a thing they will pull all the attention to them.

I am almost sure they will launch something between the A200 and the A700. (I gues A500)
Guess the reason they showed us the A200 now is because the higher model will take away to much attention from it.
Next to that, the gap is to big to leave it open for a longer time.

The A900 is also still possible, it looked so far finished on the latest pictures (although I couldn't find a way to open the flash unit?) And I am sure they will at least tell us some more about this camera.
Its almost impossible to show it a year ago...and just dont say anything about it now.

I personally think the Flip screen camera will take some more time (and will listen to the name A300).
I think this because it seems it (at least the grip) is not finished, think just an early model.

Cant hardly wait anymore.

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Posted By: H_K_F
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 19:43
Originally posted by Tindrum Tindrum wrote:

Why do I believe the A900 will be released no later than summer?

Sony has had a lot of press recently about it's sponsoring of events, and a recent deal with FIFA. 2 major events are upcoming in the Summer of 2008, the European Championships and Beijing Olympics. Both of which would be a great opportunity to show off what the A900 can do!

Of course, I will probably be wrong too!


A bit off topic, I do hope that A900 will be released in April as planned last year. : )

http://investing.reuters.co.uk/news/articleinvesting.aspx?type=media&storyID=nT355134&pageNumber=1&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&WTModLoc=InvArt-C1-ArticlePage1 - Sony to launch advanced digicam to take on Canon

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Posted By: cezarL
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 19:52
Originally posted by Kiklop Kiklop wrote:

   It may be just too much to see 3 cameras released at the exact same time :)



Whoooa there! What do you mean, THREE cameras at the same time? A200 is out of the question, since it's already released, so... A900, A-LV and... what? :)

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Posted By: ricardovaste
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 19:57
Originally posted by cezarL cezarL wrote:

Originally posted by Kiklop Kiklop wrote:

   It may be just too much to see 3 cameras released at the exact same time :)



Whoooa there! What do you mean, THREE cameras at the same time? A200 is out of the question, since it's already released, so... A900, A-LV and... what? :)


Well he said we would have a 5 DSLR line up this year. A700 and A200 are here. A900 and this LV camera are being discussed - is he not just saying that we shouldnt expect those two AND the other one ALL at once? (though he did say we may not have the A900 at PMA also. So maybe jsut the two 'in the middle' models?)

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Posted By: PMac
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 20:03
Hey Ozoger - welcome aboard.

Anything is possible, its all just a matter of whether its worth it. There are a couple of really compelling reasons for trying an EVF, one of which is being able to do away with the whole flapping mirror and mirror/prism thing. These are generally pretty reliable mind you and do their jobs very well but ultimately they place physical limitations on size, weight and speed of the camera system. Therefore while it could be possible to retain the OVF and inject an EVF image into the mirror/prism you are giving up a lot of potential opportunities.

In the long run I suspect that there will be two lines of high end camera, OVF and EVF. OVF for those people who just wont change or have specific requirements. EVF for everyone else.

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