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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 July 2009 at 08:37
Sony needs a camera that is more like a "sport" camera. That series is totally missing and Sony cannot compete Canon without this kind of cameras.
So, camera with new AF and lower pixel rate is coming... and I think this a850 leak proves that, it just cant be fake!



Why? ... just take a look for big sport events; what do you see? A lot of Canon FF's, none of them are under 21mpix ... and some Nikon D3x's, and only few Nikon D700's.... so most used cameras are over 20mpix. Why Sony would make a step backward, no sense at all... If that new camera is FF, then most probably it is made by same sensor as A900, but less features....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 July 2009 at 08:48
o-o-o

nice find!

so thats the new official leak channel
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 July 2009 at 09:41
Originally posted by Raimios Raimios wrote:


Why? ... just take a look for big sport events; what do you see? A lot of Canon FF's, none of them are under 21mpix ... and some Nikon D3x's, and only few Nikon D700's.... so most used cameras are over 20mpix. Why Sony would make a step backward, no sense at all... If that new camera is FF, then most probably it is made by same sensor as A900, but less features....


Err.. The main two workhorse sports shooter's cameras at the moment are the Nikon D3 (12MP) and the Canon 1D Mk3 (10MP). A more than 12MP body with more than 5FPS would actually be breaking new ground.

What features do we see them cutting? Viewfinder? Frame rate? I can't wait to hear more about this almost-a900
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 July 2009 at 09:52
I've always viewed the A900 as a "technology statement" from Sony - a "watch out -we're coming" sort of camera. I'm sure that given the resources that Sony have that if they want to take on Canon and Nikon they could, but at present they seem to be doing things reasonable right. Building up popularitiy for the A mount with the low end "beginners" cameras such as the A2xx/A3xx series and then give those users higher spec more "pro" like models to move up to A5xx/A7xx series.

I think that the A7xx will be the top of the APS-C range with the A8xx/A9xx and A1xxx ranges above being full frame probably covering the range from 14MP through to 30MP. Afterall Nikon have a "low" resolution FF model so why shouldn't Sony bring one out at a cheaper price point to grab some market share.

At the moment all of the above is pure specualtion - all we have are 3 model numbers but I certainly think that we will see some announcements and further leaks soon.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 July 2009 at 11:54
What you can be pretty sure of is that the entire body will be redesigned ergonomically and in terms of construction. The only Minolta 8-series precedents occupied interesting slots in the range, and the 800si was a real oddity with its quadruple power zoom flash. I guess it would be very disappointing to discover that the Alpha 850 was just a bit of a feature-laden beast for the deeper pocketed consumer - a 350/380 14.2 megapixel APS-C with onboard extras like GPS, more fully articulated viewing screen, improved LV, decent optical finder size, wifi pic transfer connection, a more powerful flash removing the need to carry an accessory and offering bounce direct from the camera.

After all, the HVL-F20AM does bounce flash, and it's exactly the same real output as the onboard flash that appeared in the Minolta 800si. And that rotating reflector design would be easy to repurpose. And Sony has said already that they identified a problem with DSLRs - upgraders from digicams often thought there was no flash built in to a DSLR, because it is hidden. Remember the original 5000i its visible flash tube, as well as the 800si. Both showed off the onboard flash as a selling point. Don't put that past Sony...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 July 2009 at 11:57
Upgraders from digicams usually buy lower numbered DSLR-s and your point about the visible flash on a high numbered model such as A850 sounds irrelevant to me.
 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 July 2009 at 11:58
I don't really care whether it's FF or APS-C. All I would hope for is this to be a real auto-focus camera, on par with top Canon/Nikon AF systems. That's the only thing really missing from Sony atm. A nicer sensor would be good too, but that would just be a bonus for me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 July 2009 at 12:19
Time will tell, but I hope for an APS-C with better AF and micro AF adjust. Maybe that's the A850, or I have to wait for the "true" A-700 successor.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 July 2009 at 12:25
Whatever it is, it will be appealing, no doubt about that.

And we are expecting 3 new cameras !!! The A5x and A8x will close the gap between the A3zz and the A900, that is for sure. Price / Performance should be somewhere there, too. That's already the information I was waiting for during the last 3 months. While I was considering to go get the A700 now (as in THIS WEEK, I only put my A300 on sale last night LOL) I have 3 good reasons to wait til autumn.

So, the leak was found in the right moment, thanks a lot!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 July 2009 at 12:26
I would upgrade only to a FF camera, so my hoping is "FF". All other features will be OK in that "region" somewhere between 700 and 900.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 July 2009 at 12:29
OK, you can all start throwing rocks at me, but I don't really care for better AF. I'm not a sports shooter, and the A700 does the job just fine for me. And AF micro-adjust might become available in the A700, if that v5.1 firmware becomes official... so I see no point in moving to this A850 :)


(unless it brings much higher DR, of course :) )







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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 July 2009 at 12:33
Originally posted by tomiZG tomiZG wrote:

While I was considering to go get the A700 now (as in THIS WEEK, I only put my A300 on sale last night LOL) I have 3 good reasons to wait til autumn.


Hmmm... depends on what your needs are. I'm pretty sure the A5xx will be under the A700 (performance/spec/ergonomics -wise) and the A850 will be a better camera overall (be it FF or APS-C). But it will also cost at least twice as much. Now... will it really offer twice as better performance? Somehow, I doubt that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 July 2009 at 12:44
Originally posted by cezarL cezarL wrote:

OK, you can all start throwing rocks at me, but I don't really care for better AF. I'm not a sports shooter, and the A700 does the job just fine for me. And AF micro-adjust might become available in the A700, if that v5.1 firmware becomes official... so I see no point in moving to this A850 :)


(unless it brings much higher DR, of course :) )







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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 July 2009 at 13:03
Ok here's my theory....

1 the A500 will be the A700 shrunk a little, cleaned up a little, etc

2. the A550 will be the A550 with an upgraded sensor.

so far nothing novel. But,

3. the A850 will be an uber APS body, using the A550 sensor but perhaps with features that actually take it well past the A900. With a D300 like price pushing towards $1800-1900. This gives Sony a vehicle to get advances in AF, metering, video, LV - god knows, onto the market in a form that doesnt detract too much from the A900 which remains the king of the hill simply by virtue of being FF.

4. We wont get a 7 series for a while - the Sony line-up will look a bit like the Nikon set-up with a similar gap between the A550 and A850 as the D90 and D300.   Simply recycling the 7 series would create all sorts of problems as people would be confused as the new 7xx would cost up to double the price of the 700 it replaced.

Of course I'm almost certainly wrong.
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