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    Posted: 01 June 2022 at 20:21
Sony today unveiled two APS-C wide primes and an APS-C wide zoom. As usual, there are a bunch of videos already available.

It seems the 11mm is the most liked lens of the three. I like a lens to complement my 35/1.8 OSS and 50/1.8 OSS and would have liked an 18mm, but alas. The new 15/1.4 has an aperturering without lock - that is a bummer. I might opt for an old pancake 20/2.8 and add the 11mm. Don't know. I am quite happy with my 10-18mm and therefore (and the PZ) am not interested in the 10-20mm zoom.

Are you interested in any of these?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 2manycamera Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 June 2022 at 21:50
I'm definitely most interested in the 11/1.8, as I currently have the Sigma 1.4/16, 30 and 56mm combo. That would give a wide range of fast primes that will be reasonably easy to carry.

I'd like to see someone test it for astronomical use, to see how well it controls coma out at the edge of the frame. If good at 1.8 or 2.0, this could be an ideal night sky lens using the a6600. While there have been a number of general reviews, it's likely too early for such specific tests.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 June 2022 at 07:38
According to Christopher Frost there is almost no coma smearing with the 11mm.

Noticed that some reviewers feel the 15/1.4 is the most interesting - others prefer the 11/1.8 (in the first few videos I watched). That is interesting, I guess it means both are competitive.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote 2manycamera Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 June 2022 at 15:11
Thanks for the link, missed this one! Information on low coma is very encouraging. Looks like an overall high performer, especially (for Sony) such a reasonable price. I have never pre-ordered anything, but this one may be the first.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote mariuszlo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 June 2022 at 16:43
They are definitely very good lenses. But in my situation, I will not replace the ones I already have:

Sony 10-18 / 4.0
Sigma 16 / 1.4
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 2manycamera Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 June 2022 at 18:21
Originally posted by mariuszlo mariuszlo wrote:

They are definitely very good lenses. But in my situation, I will not replace the ones I already have:

Sony 10-18 / 4.0
Sigma 16 / 1.4
Samyang 12 / 2.0 (AF)


I'm 2/3rds in agreement.

I'm use the Token SD 11-16/2.8 with the LA-EA5, an older lens that still gives excellent performance for my travel needs. As a 90% stills shooter, I don't require the video centric capabilities of the new 10-20/4. The weight is nice, but I'm happy with the status quo in this situation.

I also own the Sigma 16/1.4 and continue to be pleased with its performance, even though it is quite a bit heavier than the new 15/1.4 G. While it wouldn't change my mind, I look forward to someone like Dustin Abbott doing an in--depth comparison of these two optics.

However, I have never had the results I've wanted from the Samyang 12/2 MF for astrophotography. While it is an excellent UWA in most conditions, it displays quite a bit of coma at 2.0 for night skies. This improves greatly by F4.0, but that defeats the point when using on star fields and keeping ISO's low and shutter speeds relatively short. Additionally, the lack of a hard stop infinity that is actually infinity, is made more difficult with the lack of electronic contacts. I very much enjoy using MF lenses on both APS-C and FF and generally punching in works fine, but it is often quite difficult at night unless the skies are truly dark-dark.

So I did something this morning I've never done before-I pre ordered the new 11/1.8 Sony. God help my GAS....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Coast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 June 2022 at 06:57
Originally posted by 2manycamera 2manycamera wrote:

Originally posted by mariuszlo mariuszlo wrote:

They are definitely very good lenses. But in my situation, I will not replace the ones I already have:

Sony 10-18 / 4.0
Sigma 16 / 1.4
Samyang 12 / 2.0 (AF)


I'm 2/3rds in agreement.

However, I have never had the results I've wanted from the Samyang 12/2 MF for astrophotography. While it is an excellent UWA in most conditions, it displays quite a bit of coma at 2.0 for night skies. This improves greatly by F4.0, but that defeats the point when using on star fields and keeping ISO's low and shutter speeds relatively short. Additionally, the lack of a hard stop infinity that is actually infinity, is made more difficult with the lack of electronic contacts. I very much enjoy using MF lenses on both APS-C and FF and generally punching in works fine, but it is often quite difficult at night unless the skies are truly dark-dark.

So I did something this morning I've never done before-I pre ordered the new 11/1.8 Sony. God help my GAS....


OK!, so I admit I am not the biggest camera/lens gearhead around, but I did get excited when I saw these lenses, mostly because Sony has always considered us asp-c folk as the forgotten stepchild. I especially looked hard at the 11mm lens. Then I thought, wait a minute, I've had the little Rokinon 12mm f.2 since 2015. I could not imagine a lens being much sharper. For me its been spectacular, yes it loses some on the edges and is a little quirky but I love it, and the price was right.

It is small, very lite weight, easy to handle and carry around. I do a lot of Milky Ways and Grand Canyon like landscapes. It is my Ultra wide lens. If I remember I purchased it for three hundred something and looked it up today for $187. I would repurchase it in a minute! Here is why
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 June 2022 at 07:12
Here is a video comparing the new Sony 11mm to the Samyang 12mm. AFAIK the manual focus and the AF Samyang have the same optical quality. He does not test for astrophotography.

Having seen several (initial) videos it seems the new Sony's are better then their counterparts - the 15mm is better then the Sigma 16mm, the 11mm is better then the Samyang 12mm and the new 10-20/4 is better then the old 10-18/4. But if the difference is big enough for you to replace the one you have, idk.

Whatever, it is good to see some love for APS-C
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Post Options Post Options   Quote balacau Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 September 2022 at 09:57
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Here is a video comparing the new Sony 11mm to the Samyang 12mm. AFAIK the manual focus and the AF Samyang have the same optical quality. He does not test for astrophotography.

Having seen several (initial) videos it seems the new Sony's are better then their counterparts - the 15mm is better then the Sigma 16mm, the 11mm is better then the Samyang 12mm and the new 10-20/4 is better then the old 10-18/4. But if the difference is big enough for you to replace the one you have, idk.

Whatever, it is good to see some love for APS-C


As someone who is heavily invested in aps-c, I certainly agree that it's great to see Sony keeping the lens line somewhat fresh with new lenses. While I won't be purchasing any of the new Sony glass (ok I said the same about the 70-350 but just like magic one "appeared" in my lens cabinet), it has stalled the talk that aps-c is doomed and all the usual you hear from time to time.

Could these 3 new lenses be called the "Sony trio" I wonder? Certainly Sigma achieved fame in that regard with their aps-c offerings 16, 30 and 56. Still nothing to rival Sigma's 8-16. Ah well, maybe one day eh?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Steve-S Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 September 2022 at 00:31
I think it's also worth pointing to the relatively-recent f/2.8 zoom offerings from Tamron (11-20/2.8 & 17-70/2.8); and even the 18-300...

[Edit: And I just saw that Tokina is now doing an 11-18/2.8]

It's always "more reassuring" to see OEM glass, of course!

But it's worth noting that Tamron [ed: and Tokina] sees enough of a market to invest in the higher-end aps-c glass like those f/2.8's ... It speaks to a relatively-robust market, I think.

Edited by Steve-S - 24 September 2022 at 07:19
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Post Options Post Options   Quote balacau Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 September 2022 at 09:22
I was always interested in the Tokina 11-16mm F2.8 in a-mount fitting for use with my a57. It's nice to see Tokina expanding into the same area with e-mount as well.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote balacau Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 September 2022 at 09:24
Plus there is also a Meike 10mm F2. Reviews seem quite favourable for that one.

Certainly seems there are plenty of options available for aps-c users at the moment.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 September 2022 at 10:11
Originally posted by balacau balacau wrote:

Plus there is also a Meike 10mm F2. Reviews seem quite favourable for that one.
NiSi has announced a 9mm f/2.8 lens.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote balacau Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 September 2022 at 19:27
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Originally posted by balacau balacau wrote:

Plus there is also a Meike 10mm F2. Reviews seem quite favourable for that one.
NiSi has announced a 9mm f/2.8 lens.


Someone who I regularly follow for lens reviews has uploaded their opinion on the Nisi 9mm F2.8, Christopher Frost.

His review seems to show that the lens is a fairly capable one, being very sharp right across the frame at F4 which for such a wide angle lens is quite a feat indeed.

Price-wise, there is no real difference between this lens and its perhaps only competitor, the Laowa 9mm F2.8; at £500GBP. The Laowa lens is available from Carmarthen Cameras on both Amazon and eBay UK websites where-as the Nisi has yet to make an appearance.

A side-by-side review would be most interesting indeed to see. Both seem very capable lenses!
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