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Originally posted by C_N_RED_AGAIN C_N_RED_AGAIN wrote:

Iíve seen the stuff you shoot. Iíd stick with Sony. Thier autofocus especially in e mount is far superior. Sony e mount has been growing rapidly. Give it a little time. Iím guessing they will have a presence in South Africa soon.


Compared to my a99 and a7II, the XT-2 had far,far better autofocus. But the a7III has probably caughtup, or even surpassed it. It is really close though. I sure wouldn't call one a clear winner.
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Originally posted by TheEmrys TheEmrys wrote:

Fuji's is really a joke. Terrible.

Thanks, good to know.
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Originally posted by TheEmrys TheEmrys wrote:

Originally posted by C_N_RED_AGAIN C_N_RED_AGAIN wrote:

Iíve seen the stuff you shoot. Iíd stick with Sony. Thier autofocus especially in e mount is far superior. Sony e mount has been growing rapidly. Give it a little time. Iím guessing they will have a presence in South Africa soon.


Compared to my a99 and a7II, the XT-2 had far,far better autofocus. But the a7III has probably caughtup, or even surpassed it. It is really close though. I sure wouldn't call one a clear winner.

When I tried the XT-2 last week that was my feeling as well. The AF was plenty fast enough.
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Originally posted by ABDurbs ABDurbs wrote:

Thanks Aavo and CN Red Again, but Sony E mount is my last option as there is little to no support here is South Africa, and it is just going to get worse with the Sony agents (Nikon) launching their own mirrorless system soon.

No support will surely take Sony from the list.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote C_N_RED_AGAIN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 August 2018 at 15:23
Iíd say go with Fuji then. But if I had to pick out of Sony canon Nikon and Fuji which one of the four will go belly up first it would be Fuji. The camera market is shrinking and I think many players are gonna have to drop out in the near future. Jmo
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I am a long time Minolta/Sony user - Minolta 7D, Sony a700, Sony a900, and recently the a99ii. Several months ago I did a great deal of research comparing Fuji, Olympus and Sony mirrorless systems looking to lose weight (a pun) for hiking and travel. It sounds like you are doing that kind of examination as well so I won't go into all the factors I compared. I am ecstatic with the Fuji X-t2.   I am using the kit, yes the kit, 18-55 (it has image stabilization whereas the 16-55 does not), the 10-24 and the 55-200. Ecstatic for two reasons. First, image quality - the 18-55 and 10-24 produce exceptional, to my eye, quality images and I have made 16"x24" prints to be sure (I have not used the 55-200 enough to comment - no prints made from it). I was so taken by the quality that I started trying to find out how such lenses could compare favorably, dare I say this, with my two Zeiss lenses (16-35 and 24-70). Fuji has a long history in optics outside of the retail camera world and this, apparently, to folks who seem to know is the reason. Second. ease of use - menu dipping is almost non-existent with virtually every control I regularly use to be found in a manual knob on the camera.

As to RAW processing - I haven't found any trouble using Adobe but a couple of folks above whose opinions I respect indicate otherwise.

My general sense is that you cannot go wrong with any of these systems so my comment here is just to emphasize that I believe the Fuji image quality is exceptional and the Fuji fits perfectly my type of shooting. Please note that I am not suggesting that Fuji lenses are as good as or better than my Zeiss full frame lenses, but they are certainly close in my real world comparison (i.e., not lab bench tests under strict controls).

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Post Options Post Options   Quote ABDurbs Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 August 2018 at 16:04
Originally posted by C_N_RED_AGAIN C_N_RED_AGAIN wrote:

Iíd say go with Fuji then. But if I had to pick out of Sony canon Nikon and Fuji which one of the four will go belly up first it would be Fuji. The camera market is shrinking and I think many players are gonna have to drop out in the near future. Jmo

Mmmm an interesting thought indeed.
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Thanks for you reply Roger, that helps a lot.

I must say, even though I did not have a great deal of time with the XT-2, I was very impressed with the images and ease of use.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Hezu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 August 2018 at 18:05
Originally posted by ABDurbs ABDurbs wrote:

I will be looking at Olympus Pen soon.
In Olympus lineup I would rather look at OM-D models (preferably the top of line OM-D E-M1 Mark II). I guess the main advantage of m4/3 system would be that the lenses are smaller and lighter than the lenses for systems with larger sensors, although sure the fancier Olympus and Panasonic/Leica lenses are not really that cheap...

Of course, if the small size is something that you would like to get, I have heard that Sony RX10 IV with its 24-600 mm equivalent lens would provide quite a punch in such small package (still, not significally smaller than an ILC and some normal zoom).
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One option I havenít heard mentioned Is the Nikon Mirrorless that will be announced this week. Iím sure you will get plenty of support from Nikon in your country. Rumors on the specs seem good and Iím betting nikons adapters will be much better than Sonyís till they get the mirrorless lineup up to spec
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Post Options Post Options   Quote TheEmrys Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 August 2018 at 23:47
Originally posted by C_N_RED_AGAIN C_N_RED_AGAIN wrote:

One option I havenít heard mentioned Is the Nikon Mirrorless that will be announced this week. Iím sure you will get plenty of support from Nikon in your country. Rumors on the specs seem good and Iím betting nikons adapters will be much better than Sonyís till they get the mirrorless lineup up to spec


Such a huge gamble though. If it were August of 2019, it would be a pretty well known quantity. But at this point, its a crapshoot.
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Alan, sorry to hear about your situation. You're being buffeted by market winds so it would make sense to make an optimal choice in regards to your direction.

I see a lot of knowledgeable folks have already opined about this but I'm curious about something.

Just how much support do you need? This comes from a budget photographer, mind you. I've been on Sony alpha for 10 yrs now and pretty much always buy used gear at budget prices. Except for one particular Sigma 170-500, I've never had anything fail on me. Ah, yes, one 17-50/2.8 died in my hands.
My gear includes A100, A700, A57 and A99. Glass includes about 15-20 legacy glass and exactly one Sony item: 16-50/2.8.

So, just how often do you feel the need for service?
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Originally posted by TheEmrys TheEmrys wrote:

Originally posted by C_N_RED_AGAIN C_N_RED_AGAIN wrote:

One option I havenít heard mentioned Is the Nikon Mirrorless that will be announced this week. Iím sure you will get plenty of support from Nikon in your country. Rumors on the specs seem good and Iím betting nikons adapters will be much better than Sonyís till they get the mirrorless lineup up to spec


Such a huge gamble though. If it were August of 2019, it would be a pretty well known quantity. But at this point, its a crapshoot.


I will be looking at the Nikon as support is very good here, but like all Nikons out here, they are hellish expensive because there is a middle man.
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Originally posted by skm.sa100 skm.sa100 wrote:

Alan, sorry to hear about your situation. You're being buffeted by market winds so it would make sense to make an optimal choice in regards to your direction.

I see a lot of knowledgeable folks have already opined about this but I'm curious about something.

Just how much support do you need? This comes from a budget photographer, mind you. I've been on Sony alpha for 10 yrs now and pretty much always buy used gear at budget prices. Except for one particular Sigma 170-500, I've never had anything fail on me. Ah, yes, one 17-50/2.8 died in my hands.
My gear includes A100, A700, A57 and A99. Glass includes about 15-20 legacy glass and exactly one Sony item: 16-50/2.8.

So, just how often do you feel the need for service?

I don't need a lot of support, but I can't buy an A99ii (or anything with A mount) new or 2nd hand, there are no Sony flashes or 3rd party flashes available, no remote triggers and this is just stuff I was looking for recently. Fortunately Tamron still stock some A mount lenses, but Sigma not so much. A friend was trying to get the agent to repair something on one of his lenses. Eventually he gave up trying to get passed their attitude problem and did his best to repair it himself. I have been a massive Sony supporter since the A100 was launched and I still am, but when the support is one sided maybe it's time to move on.

Edited by ABDurbs - 21 August 2018 at 09:06
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