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Post Options Post Options   Quote rovhazman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 2010 at 17:44
Originally posted by Serdar A Serdar A wrote:

Two for Tamron 180mm macro.


The picture you posted on the "half" DPC is the main cause for this purchase... I managed to keep few months without buying a new lens and I thought I am clean... I even managed to resist the Minolta 200/4 macro...

Now I bought the Tamron + Metz ring-flash... I just need to find the girl...
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote ricardovaste Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 2010 at 17:49
On my calculations, the e-mount will not fit a FF sensor in it, so that rules out the posibility of Sony switching to the e-mount eventually for 'serious' photographers.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 2010 at 18:03
Most of the Videos show Alpha DSLR models (from 330, 500 and 850 I think).
As well as the A-Mount lenses are used a lot.
And the E-A adapter is shown very often.

No reason to think Sony has given up on the A-Mount.
If they had, the marketing development had set a different message between the lines.
Even if the purchase is questionable, I'm very interested in the adapter - hope the manual "pops up somewhere" soon^^



Besides:
We might see the Alpha lenses drifting to all electronic mount as well.
Sony finally returns to cross section combination of products.
I realized that recently with PS3 remote control (don't know the marketing name) is now available not only for PSP but also Mobile phone and upcoming VAIO P (2nd series).
And the E-Mount camcorder is just the same idea.
They used that tactic many years ago and I believe it made people bound to the brand and buying less rational.
What in the end means: people with other Sony products might buy future Alpha DSLRs over Canon/Nikon simply because they have extra gadgets.

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I have been looking at the new E-mount and, with making some assumptions (always dangerous); it seems to me that one possible outcome is the adaptation of the e-mount to the alpha line. There are 10 contacts in the mount which obviously is more than the original a-mount and even the modified a-mount (which came to pass with ADI). I believe, although I may be incorrect, as my memory is not what it used to be that the original a-mount had 6 contacts and went to 8 with ADI. So assuming that there are equal distance between the contacts, it should be no big deal for the camera processor to identify the lens and the mount associated with it so that the proper protocol can be used. Therefore I surmise that the e-mount might be very capable of handling both A-mount lenses and E-mount lenses from a protocol and continuity standpoint. It may need to be resized for the alpha line but the electronic connectivity should be there. The NEX mount and the e-lenses also appear to have quite a radius so maybe the adaptation to an APC-C A7xx is not difficult physically.

The a-mount is long in the tooth anyway having orginated with the 7000 in 1986? so if the alpha system is to evolve to take advantage of future technical innovation, then maybe now is the time to start the transition. A lot of Minolta glass, while fine performers, is also in need of a redesign so again to take advantage of as yet some unknown technical innovation in lens capability, the e-mount may be necessary.

I may be missing something but I don't see based on pictures alone what prevents incompatibility between the a-mount and e-mount but then I could be wrong.

Also because the a900 production line has been stopped doesn't necessarily mean the camera will not be available or supported. They probably have built up whetever inventory to support sales and parts that they think they need. They have a requirement to support the camera for 7 years I think.

Just my.00000000002 worth
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Post Options Post Options   Quote jdm_777 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 2010 at 19:00
If the NEX ISO is this good, Man, the next Alpha ISO should be even better. I hope Sony will tweak the AutoFocus more.


Looks like video Alpha is next too.

http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/sony_our_next_alpha_dslr_will_shoot_video_update_news_297857.html?aff=rss
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Theresa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 2010 at 19:15
"The a-mount is long in the tooth anyway having orginated with the 7000 in 1986? so if the alpha system is to evolve to take advantage of future technical innovation, then maybe now is the time to start the transition."

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Post Options Post Options   Quote JeremyT Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 2010 at 19:34
A-Mount probably should be killed, but we need a sane migration path. The E-mount doesn't appear to provide that, at least not initially, and I imagine that we'll see "something else" from Sony that brings the A-mount into the 21st century (a new mount designed for video on bodies with FF sensors - even down to entry level - with A-mount compatibility, would be my wager).

I currently own an A700 and an E-P2. I love both of these devices greatly, and I don't feel either system is directly threatened by what I've seen from the NEX so far.

The first generation NEX lacks the physical controls that I've come to expect from both Alphas and M4/3 bodies, and as such I don't see it as a replacement for either. The E-mount could have a very bright future, but these first gen bodies seem more like toys / P&S cameras, and that's not a migration path that's going to appeal to anybody who already owns a DSLR. One can hope that Sony releases a high end E-Mount body that will be more appealing, but even that's not going to replace a full size, FF DSLR.

Sony sometimes does bewildering things, but I do think they know better than to simply abandon the (not insignificant) existing customer base. NEX seems to be aimed at an entirely different market right now.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote evangelos k Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 2010 at 19:40
Originally posted by jdm_777 jdm_777 wrote:

If the NEX ISO is this good, Man, the next Alpha ISO should be even better. I hope Sony will tweak the AutoFocus more.


Looks like video Alpha is next too.

http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/sony_our_next_alpha_dslr_will_shoot_video_update_news_297857.html?aff=rss


Since I am not interested in the NEX line, I keep the above as really good news. It is only logical the next alpha will build on NEX's great (from what it looks like) high ISO performance.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote heavensRain Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 2010 at 19:52
Now that the NEX is announced which uses APS-C sized sensors, I was wondering what the current state is for those of us who invested in A-mount DT lenses. In terms of image quality, there is definitely not a huge leap from NEX to A7xx, so I was wondering if the extras on the A7xx (optical VF, built in motor, ergonomic body, SSS) are worth the money.

Maybe full-frame 35mm sensors are meant only for full-sized DSLRs, now that they are getting more affordable. Eventually the manufacturers will give up APS-C sensor DSLRs.

Just an observation...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote rovhazman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 2010 at 19:52
Here is one pessimistic (at least for me...) point of view:

Sony need the 10-pins mount and in-lens stabilization for video. The new alpha lens will have something like the E-mount, just with different distance. There will be 2 different e-mount - APS-C which fits the NEX and FF which fits the DSLR (just like today we have two line - FF and APS-C). At first there will be adapters, but you will lose some of the functions (like SSS and maybe AF for some lenses). Later, the adapters will be hard to get...

Are we really sure that the new lenses (500mm and 24mm) are the good old alpha mount (which now Sony calls alpha A-mount) or the new alphs mount (which Sony calls alpha E-mount)? After all, the new mount and system is also alpha...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote heavensRain Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 2010 at 19:54
btw, I'm not getting NEX, just to clarify. I have no money to invest in another system.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote rovhazman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 2010 at 19:54
Originally posted by evangelos k evangelos k wrote:

Since I am not interested in the NEX line, I keep the above as really good news. It is only logical the next alpha will build on NEX's great (from what it looks like) high ISO performance.


But what about low-ISO performance? The NEX lowest ISO is 200.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Myst Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 2010 at 19:57
i wonder what makes people so darn paranoid...O_o why would they put so much effort in the A-line only to ditch it after a few years? the E-line is a whole different animal for sony, it's new and different in any way imaginable from the A-line. Sure now it seems they are putting more effort into developing the E-line, and that is perfectly understandable but i am sure we will see some nice things at photokina this year regarding the A-line. The only thing the new E-line can replace are the low-end A-line dslr models like the a2xx/3xx series who are aimed at people who want an upgrade from their P&S cameras.
i just don't see the A-line dyeing, sure it might be replaced but i don't think they will ever change the mount cause that is what actually made Nikon and canon so big...continuity if they would have changed the mount every 10 years it would have spelled disaster for them.

"Are we really sure that the new lenses (500mm and 24mm) are the good old alpha mount (which now Sony calls alpha A-mount) or the new alphs mount (which Sony calls alpha E-mount)? After all, the new mount and system is also alpha... "
i would bet anything they are A-mount lenses...
what would be the point in making a 500mm f/4 wildlife lens for a tiny camera?
you won't see that kind of lenses for the nex cameras they are totally pointless... each of the 3 nex lenses was made with a point in mind...


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Post Options Post Options   Quote heavensRain Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 2010 at 20:05
Originally posted by JeremyT JeremyT wrote:

A-Mount probably should be killed, but we need a sane migration path. The E-mount doesn't appear to provide that, at least not initially, and I imagine that we'll see "something else" from Sony that brings the A-mount into the 21st century (a new mount designed for video on bodies with FF sensors - even down to entry level - with A-mount compatibility, would be my wager).


That is an interesting observation but there are two different markets here: photography and videography. Even though it appears that they are "closing the gap", it is definitely more sensible (in my mind) to keep them separate, for profit generating purposes. There are tons of A-mount AF lenses out there, and people that are willing to invest and buy bodies for them.

The E-mount will stay for casual photographers and videographers, but I don't think the lens selection is going to be diverse as the professional A-mount, which there are plenty of them out there and covers a full 35mm imaging circle.
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