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    Posted: 29 March 2017 at 14:16
I upgraded from my A100 to the A58 and am quite happy with the ISO performance. The EVF is an enormous difference from an OVF. It cannot be understated. I stayed with the A-mount due to my lens collection.
My next upgrade is most likely going to be an A77ii. It seems to be a step up even from the A77 so I'm looking forward to it.

For the absolute best ISO performance the A7s (or its successor) can't be beat. But it's quite expensive, even used, and is E-mount so I'm not yet ready to move in that direction.
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I found this thread during my search for a viable upgrade to my trusty A350. The question being asked for me personally is a tough one as the A350 was and is my first (D)SLR camera.
The main limitations I am coming up against are:
- low iso noise (iso 800 is already noisy in average lighting)
- slow focus in lowish light
- no video capability

I say that the decision for me is tough because I have no idea as to how big an improvement I will get upgrading to the various camera's I am looking at now. For example, I could use my current a-mount lenses and go cheap with an A68, or more expensive with an A77ii. Or I could go with an adapter and either get an A6500 or A7ii. It's hard to know how big of a difference I will experience with regards to the iso and focus I mentioned earlier.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 March 2017 at 16:54
Originally posted by onsplekkie onsplekkie wrote:

my choice for A7s
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- same focus preformance with A mount lenses on A99/A77 with Sony #4 adapter
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Could be close, but cannot be the same. The LA-EA4 uses the original SLT AF system. It was improved in those later cameras.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote onsplekkie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 March 2017 at 16:23
my choice for A7s

- evf (focus peaking)
- 100% silent shooting mode
- smallest FF body possible for any ICL camera
- only 12MP (means small files/easier workflow on older PC)
- best ISO preformance of any camera availible
- same focus preformance with A mount lenses on A99/A77 with Sony #4 adapter
- good focus preformance with native FE glass
- possible to adapt (almost) any lens ever made (especially those dirt cheapo legacy/fun lenses )

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Cliff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 March 2017 at 11:50
The feature wars are amazing aren't they? Electronics too! For me the A100 did so much more than the Minolta 7000i it replaced that I was awestruck, yet it seems pretty dated today. The Minolta was the same kind of step up from the Contax that was my first good camera.

The Contax did have a rangefinder, but focus, shutter speed and aperture were the controls it had, all operated by me. Film advance and shutter cock (integrated) were manual too. Yet we managed to take pictures, some of them pretty good.

I guess the glass plate boys thought the same about us roll film upstarts. I do enjoy using the f1.5 Sonnar off that Contax on E mount.
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My short list of features that make me want the A58 for anything challenging are:

- Bright EVF even in dull light and with slow lenses
- APS-C mode to suit cheap Sony lenses
- High pixel density to make the most of affordable tele zooms
- Articulating rear screen for low camera angles
- Focus peaking for MF
- Focus magnification for critical MF
- IBIS for slow teles in poor light
- Excellent performance at medium ISO (100-800) and good performance at high ISO (I don't need class leading, though!)
- Affordable for me.

Obviously other cameras will meet most of these criteria, but none of them were or are affordable new for me. The A58 did almost everything I want at a price I could afford. What do I miss that other cameras have?

- AF micro-adjust is the one I'd most like to have.
- FF would be nice but I don't really need it.

I bought a 5D recently, as a backup to the A58 and because I wanted to be able to use all-Minolta 'period' gear occasionally. I like it, but I would never go back to an OVF without live view for regular digital photography (though, curiously, I'm happy with that for film!). I may be a sucker for old technology, but I started taking pictures with a pre-war folding camera (Zeiss Icon) with wire-frame viewfinder and three shutter speeds, and definitely appreciated the advancements that have been made over the decades, even though I was slow to replace my Miranda SLRs with digital.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 March 2017 at 08:26
Originally posted by Micholand Micholand wrote:

@Miranda F: maybe worth to add this list to the following index, too


Good idea. I've done that. Post is here.

I will probably not bother updating the table here now there is a copy elsewhere.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 March 2017 at 08:15
Originally posted by AutumnRose AutumnRose wrote:

I believe the A700 has a CMOS sensor, not CCD.


Ah, yes. Thanks for the correction. I've updated it now.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Cliff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 March 2017 at 00:01
You've pretty much got my short list, with a couple of exceptions. Video as in the A6500 would be great. A new FF sensor would be interesting, and I really do like both focus peaking and focal length entry for un-chipped lenses. I don't miss a vertical grip, and current IBIS works well enough for me.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote MediaArchivist Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 March 2017 at 23:14
I have upgraded a few times over the years, currently on an a99. The most important features for me are:
  • Fully articulating screen
  • Full frame sensor
  • IBIS
  • Focus peaking
  • Vertical grip

The features (I think will be) most useful in the a99ii are:
  • New sensor (Mpx + BSI)
  • Improved IBIS
  • Focal length entry for un-chipped lenses
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 March 2017 at 22:45
Originally posted by skm.sa100 skm.sa100 wrote:

If you've tried multiple bodies over the years, what are the top features that you realized helped you? ... I'm kind of surprised that my original question got so few responses. Usually such a question ensues a good bit of factual comparison and opinions.

Maybe because the list is potentially sooooo long. Much has changed in A-mount over 13 years. You could help by pointing out any drawbacks/advantages you already are attuned to rather than posing that wide-ranging question.

Just one example out of dozens: a fully articulating rear LCD has made much of what I do easier and more enjoyable.
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Originally posted by skm.sa100 skm.sa100 wrote:

what are the top features that you realized helped you?
For me: Big and bright EVF (A7ii, A77ii, etc), accurate focus (double cross sensor like the A850/A900), long battery life, button placement like those on larger a-mount bodies.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Aavo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 March 2017 at 21:08
- great OOC JPEG including good AWB for mixed lighting
- great low light capability
- great centre point AF speed
- ready to make compromize in handling, if body and lenses are smaller

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Edited by Aavo - 16 March 2017 at 21:13
a6500 & some nice e-mount af lenses 20/24/56/17-70/18-135 mm
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A900 was the biggest improvement for the things I find important. The OVF and center AF were huge improvements over anything else available at that time. I've still got mine, but the A99 II is now my main camera because the new sensor is so good.
If Sony had put that sensor in a A900 body I'd like it even better. Maybe add live view - not SLT, the old style; I still like my OVF. And a better AF pattern. But that's about it. I'd gladly trade all the other high tech "whiz bang" stuff for that camera.     
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