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    Posted: 30 July 2019 at 09:29
Originally posted by Pallanza Pallanza wrote:

See here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_camera_tube#Vidicon, Chapter "Size".


Originally posted by mirthseeker mirthseeker wrote:

Or see here.


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Originally posted by Phil Wood Phil Wood wrote:

Looking for a pocket camera I investigated the RX100 series.

Very popular among compact camera enthusiasts. There are eight to choose from, so look for the functions and features that match your needs.
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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

The RX100 series have alloy bodies not unlike the later A7 cameras (or the NEX 5, 7).

I don't like the feel of metal surfaces, but the market prefers them as quality signals.

I improved the feel of my RX100 with a skin from aki-asahi.com. You can go tasteful with black or tan or navy, or you can have fun - my daughter likes that the RX100 is skinned in deep pink.

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Or you can be super lucky. I wanted a skin for my D-Lux typ 109 but only black synthetic leather is shown on the website for that model I ordered a skin anyway but commented that I had hoped for something less conservative than black; a few days later when the envelope arrived, as well as the ordered black skin was a tasteful tartan skin that is mentioned nowhere the website. Bonus!

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I had an RX100, and it worked fine for its intended use. It did come on a couple of holidays with me as a backup and so long as it had sufficient light, it was fine.

... except for the size and ergonomics. The contrast between my A-mount bodies and the plethora of physical control, and the tiny RX100 sans controls or EVF was too great. In the end I found it to be too fiddly for more fingers to enjoy. I didn't use it as an everyday carry because I just didn't enjoy it as much I wanted to. It was passed on to my daughter (now 23yo) who loves it because it's uncomplicated to use and gives her better images than she gets with her phone.

I then bought an LX100. A smidgen larger, more controls (including dedicated controls for aperture, shutter speed and compensation), and FWIW, a slightly larger sensor. That got more use than my RX100 did because it felt more camera-like in my hands. Until my partner asked if I had a spare camera for when we went walking with a local camera Meetup group, so now she has it.

Fortuitously, I came across a very clean D-Lux typ 109 at the right price, so my LX100 was instantly replaced by its red-dotted sibling. With accessory grip it feels even more like a camera and it comes with me everywhere (unless I'm taking something larger).

I wouldn't rule out any generation of the RX100, but I would recommend testing it thoroughly for size and feel before buying.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Cliff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 July 2019 at 23:09
Nex 5 with the pancake zoom works wonderfully as a pocket camera for me. It has an APS-C sensor, and the price is right too. With in camera lens correction the image is cleaned up before it hits the memory card. There was even a viewfinder attachment made for it. What's not to like?
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

But the most important, tree foliage is mush with all 1" sensors I have seen. I do not know why this is so, but it is what I see. Maybe if lenses get better it changes, but for now it is the way it is.

Well, I agree about mush, which seems to be be caused by over processing.

I am very disappointed in the images taken by my new iPhone 8 Plus. There's hardly even 3 MP of image data left at ISO 20 in bright sunlight. No third-party application can reduce Apple's processing either. I mainly use my phone camera for my job where detail is important. Evidently their market thinks reality should look like a poorly rendered video game.

My Pentax Q7 is similar.

And I see calls by photographers to add more computational photography to cameras to be more like cellphones. I want less. Sony, get rid of the star eater; get rid of the raw vignette correction. But at least Sony allows turning off sharpening completely for JPEGs.

Edited by QuietOC - 29 July 2019 at 20:46
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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

Sensor size doesn't matter for noise. Lens size is the main thing that matters. There's always a depth-of-field/noise trade-off. And by lens size multiply crop factor by the relative aperture. There are relatively huge lenses in some formats.

Sony's one-inch sensors are more efficient than their current APS-C sensors. But even the 8.8 mm F1.8 wide end of the faster lens is quite limited.
I am not that interested in noise, but DXO Mark reports about a full stop difference between the RX100 V and A6400 in noise. More interesting is Dynamic Range, there the difference is about one and a half stop.

But the most important, tree foliage is mush with all 1" sensors I have seen. I do not know why this is so, but it is what I see. Maybe if lenses get better it changes, but for now it is the way it is. This is the reason I decided on the G1x3.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 July 2019 at 19:02
Sensor size doesn't matter for noise. Lens size is the main thing that matters. There's always a depth-of-field/noise trade-off. And by lens size multiply crop factor by the relative aperture. There are relatively huge lenses in some formats.

Sony's one-inch sensors are more efficient than their current APS-C sensors. But even the 8.8 mm F1.8 wide end of the faster lens is quite limited.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 July 2019 at 18:11
1" sensors have two downsides for me: 4x3 aspect ratio and 1" sensors are still quite small. That is why went for the APS-C sized Canon G1x3. Not quite as small, but it fits a coat pocket - noticeable smaller then a NEX or A6x00 camera.

But it is a weird way to measure sensor size calling this sensor 1". But it is catchy name
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My strong advice is to stay away from one inch sensors, unless you only intend to take daylight snapshots that you won't develop much or make even medium size prints from. The small photo sites create too much noise for any other application. And yes, this is truly image destroying noise that is readily visible. On the other hand, I'm impressed with how far the sensors have come and they are certainly better than any cell phone camera. However, Micro Four Thirds is noticeably better than the one inch sensors in every aspect (except size for long telephoto focal lengths) for approximately the same size, weight, and cost. The Panasonic Lumix LX100 and Leica D-Lux Typ 109 are particularly easy to recommend.
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I have the RX100 iii parallel to my Sony A7R iii as stand-by camera. My criterion was "small" and "best image quality", so I accepted the minor zoom range (24-70 mm). On my last travel through Poland I had a problem with my A7R iii, so I used only the RX 100 iii. Not really a problem in most situation, except very (!!) low light. Most people will not see any differences in image quality.
If you do want a longer zoom range, you'll get the normal draw backs due to a smaller aperture.
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Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

The compact size of the RX100 series is appealing especially if you have small hands (and small pockets and a large wallet ) but for me it is essentially a very expensive toy camera however good the performance is. It's simply too small to use and is so weak and plasticky it's not for me. A Nex is much nicer to handle.

But if that doesn't bother you, the image quality and feature set are pretty good.

For me, the Canon S100 is a nicer camera to use; it's about the same size and much cheaper. Less Mp though, if that bothers you.


I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one. I too have a NEX-5 (hasn't seen the light of day for ages due mainly to the impossibility of viewing the screen in bright conditions). I then bought a NEX-6 for its viewfinder, which is much better but, the OP is looking for a "pocket camera" and whatever size lens is fitted to a NEX body, even the diminutive 16mm f2.8, it doesn't fit into any of my pockets other than a safari type jacket.

Edit: But the NEX-6 has been a great tool for exploring the world of adapters and "interesting" lenses, so each have their own strengths IMHO.


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Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

It's simply too small to use and is so weak and plasticky it's not for me.

The RX100 series have alloy bodies not unlike the later A7 cameras (or the NEX 5, 7).

I don't like the feel of metal surfaces, but the market prefers them as quality signals.
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The compact size of the RX100 series is appealing especially if you have small hands (and small pockets and a large wallet ) but for me it is essentially a very expensive toy camera however good the performance is. It's simply too small to use and is so weak and plasticky it's not for me. A Nex is much nicer to handle.

But if that doesn't bother you, the image quality and feature set are pretty good.

For me, the Canon S100 is a nicer camera to use; it's about the same size and much cheaper. Less Mp though, if that bothers you.
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