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    Posted: 19 September 2022 at 19:42
Originally posted by ABDurbs ABDurbs wrote:

Originally posted by KoBra64 KoBra64 wrote:

Originally posted by ABDurbs ABDurbs wrote:

They are selling A9ii bodies here for approx $2298


Is that the price for a new one?

Yes it is

That is a bargain compared to the price in the Netherlands, it costs more then twice as much over here.
 



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Originally posted by ABDurbs ABDurbs wrote:

Thanks for your comments and thoughts. Much to consider.


I know I'm chiming in late here, but I think the summary by @addy is about right. The a9ii is great for wildlife/birding. I don't regard 24MP to be a major limitation. There's some good resizing software that is substantially cheaper than a camera upgrade...

I was tempted by the a7iv at the beginning of the year. I regarded 33MP to be a good 'overall' sensor size, the bird-eye detection appealed, and it gave superior video tools to the a9/a9ii.

Now it may be that you don't want to take video (at the moment), but the a9 series lacks the S-log and Hybrid-log options to get the best dynamic range out of your clips (it's a bit like the difference between Raw and Jpeg files in photography).

The a7iv just seems to do everything well (even if it isn't quite the best option option) with no major weaknesses.
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Sounds like there might be an a9iii launch coming up soon???
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Originally posted by KoBra64 KoBra64 wrote:

Originally posted by ABDurbs ABDurbs wrote:

They are selling A9ii bodies here for approx $2298


Is that the price for a new one?

Yes it is
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Originally posted by ABDurbs ABDurbs wrote:

They are selling A9ii bodies here for approx $2298


Is that the price for a new one?
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The A7RIV is the better A-mount (LA-EA5) and APS-C camera (26 MP).

Having never used an A9, I don't have much to base an opinion about them.
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Thanks for your comments and thoughts. Much to consider.
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Originally posted by Harm vb Harm vb wrote:

I think I'm going to ask Addy if I could borrow his A7Riv for a while
You have the plain IV!

Maybe time for a DM

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Ever since I started printing at home my largest print have been A3+ size since that is the limit of my printer.
I ordered one larger roughly A2 size canvas once and that was only because I couldn't print canvas at home.

I need around 18mp to print A3+ at 300DPI which is kinda overkill to be honest.

Difference in ISO performance between high res and low res sensors are negligible these days. you see more noice on high res sensor because it also has more pixel. At equivalent pixel sizes or print sizes you won't notice much difference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAYXFwBsKQ0

Actually there is a lot more difference in dynamic range between A9 and A7IV/A7RIV than there in ISO performance.
there is roughly 1 stop difference in dynamic range which I wouldn't say is minimal but less than 1/2 stop difference in ISO performance which is minimal.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote AudioDoc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 September 2022 at 15:02
All the cameras mentioned are excellent. For focusing on birds and wildlife the A9II is the better choice, but the A7riv as I understand it, also focuses well, but not like the A9 series. Remember the A7iv will give you huge files so storage and computing horsepower could be an issue for you, but will allow you to crop into your image quite a bit in post. The two cameras have very different sensors, The a9 series use a stacked sensor and the other use backlit sensors. The difference in dynamic range are minor. You will have more noise with the 61Mpx sensor then the 24Mp sensor.
I have the A7III and the A7rIIIa and I can see a difference in noise levels at high ISO comparing the two cameras.
I don't shoot a lot of fast moving objects (unless you consider trains fast moving ) so the A7riv would be my choice (since I can't afford the A1). Really, for most photography, 24 Mp is plenty. The reasons most would want more megapixel is the ability to crop and to print really large. The reality is that most photos do not fit into either of those two categories. And most people won't print at all, much less print large.
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Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

I have moved from A7RIV to A1 to A7IV (my current body).

A1 can truly do everything if you can afford it.

Having moved from A1 to A7IV I do not miss the A1 as much as I thought I would.
A7IV is a fair compromise between A9 and A7RIV. Having used A1 and A7IV, the AF on A7RIV leaves a lot to be desired especially for tracking and shooting birds. In fact I'd go as far as saying AF on A7IV is better than the AF on A9/ii. With A9 the main benefit is the blackout free shooting and 20fps but A7IV ships with newer processor and updated AF algorithms especially for animals and birds.

I am also not too keen on the sensor in A9/ii because of the lower dynamic range and resolution since I use my camera for landscapes too.

Overall I am really pleased with A7IV, almost as pleased as I was with A1. I do miss the resolution but recently I was out on holiday and I took my Sony 70-350mm instead of 200-600mm. I shot that crop mode and I posted some birds in flight pictures on this forum. I am pretty happy with my pictures to be honest. Most of them came out to be 12-14mp after cropping which I can still print at a reasonable size.

So long story short get the A7IV if you are interested in shooting action with "a bit of everything" and cannot spend the money on A1.
Yes A7IV is around the same price as A7RIV but its a newer body so you pay the premium for buying new. A7RIV has been around a fair while and hence you get a lot of discounts plus more options on the used market.

Yup cant afford the A1.
Some interesting points and worth me taking another look at the A7iv
Thanks
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 September 2022 at 12:27
Originally posted by Harm vb Harm vb wrote:

I think I'm going to ask Addy if I could borrow his A7Riv for a while
You have the plain IV!

Maybe time for a DM
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I have moved from A7RIV to A1 to A7IV (my current body).

A1 can truly do everything if you can afford it.

Having moved from A1 to A7IV I do not miss the A1 as much as I thought I would.
A7IV is a fair compromise between A9 and A7RIV. Having used A1 and A7IV, the AF on A7RIV leaves a lot to be desired especially for tracking and shooting birds. In fact I'd go as far as saying AF on A7IV is better than the AF on A9/ii. With A9 the main benefit is the blackout free shooting and 20fps but A7IV ships with newer processor and updated AF algorithms especially for animals and birds.

I am also not too keen on the sensor in A9/ii because of the lower dynamic range and resolution since I use my camera for landscapes too.

Overall I am really pleased with A7IV, almost as pleased as I was with A1. I do miss the resolution but recently I was out on holiday and I took my Sony 70-350mm instead of 200-600mm. I shot that crop mode and I posted some birds in flight pictures on this forum. I am pretty happy with my pictures to be honest. Most of them came out to be 12-14mp after cropping which I can still print at a reasonable size.

So long story short get the A7IV if you are interested in shooting action with "a bit of everything" and cannot spend the money on A1.
Yes A7IV is around the same price as A7RIV but its a newer body so you pay the premium for buying new. A7RIV has been around a fair while and hence you get a lot of discounts plus more options on the used market.

Edited by nandbytes - 14 September 2022 at 11:00
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Originally posted by ABDurbs ABDurbs wrote:

I do mostly wildlife/birds, but also some studio work so basically a bit of everything, hence my in-decision
Of course, if you want a camera that does "everything", there is still α1...
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