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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 June 2019 at 17:47
If you want a high quality f/2.8 zoom you can get one, but if you want a light high quality lens (irrespective of aperture) you're out of luck. And the responses here proof there is some market for it (even though we have different preferences).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 June 2019 at 08:00
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

If you want a high quality f/2.8 zoom you can get one, but if you want a light high quality lens (irrespective of aperture) you're out of luck. And the responses here proof there is some market for it (even though we have different preferences).

Seems like it. I wouldn't mind so much if f2.8 at the wide end became f4 at the long end, but f5.6 is just slow. With Ibis and decent high-ISO performance it's not a huge issue, but it would be nice to get decent isolation without needing either a big heavy constant-aperture FF zoom or another prime. On A-mount the little 55-200mm Sony is good, staying at f4 up to around 130mm, but that's unusual. Most modern APS-C zooms seem to ramp up to their worst aperture as quickly as possible.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 June 2019 at 08:06
Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

Tamron has a new 35-150 F2.8-4 VC USD (non SP).

My Sigma APO 50-150 F2.8 EX DC HSM II is much smaller and lighter than my Sigma APO 70-200 F2.8 EX DG OS HSM.


Not come across those two, and your review of the Sigma doesn't encourage me to seek one out!
There does seem to be a step change in Sigma performance around 2009. The 10-20 pair are fantastic lenses.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote wesleysa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 June 2019 at 12:51
If the posts on the 200-600 above related to cars, I'd you were asking for a Merc V12 Bi-turbo Doublecab pick up (that doesn't exist yet but will soon ) that handled like a Lotus Elise :)

These lenses will undoubtedly be great optics but I'm confident they won't perform beyond the realms of physics.

Zoom range sells more than aperture size because it's easier for the guy across the counter to explain that to a potential customer. End of story...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote darosa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 June 2019 at 16:24
I have the FE 100-400 and is has some advantages compared to the 200-600: lighter, smaller, faster. It is surprsingly handholdable and IS is so good that getting sharp photos is no problem at all, in fact I have more blurry pics with tripod than without.
But I am tempted by this new monster, as a complement, not a replacement. 600mm is always better than 400.
OTOH, I have the Minolta 400/4.5. I could also get an A77ii, which would give me a 600mm as well, but faster and much cheaper. IQ should be excellent, at least on par with this new lens but AF wouldn't be quite as good of course.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 June 2019 at 20:57
Originally posted by wesleysa wesleysa wrote:

If the posts on the 200-600 above related to cars, I'd you were asking for a Merc V12 Bi-turbo Doublecab pick up (that doesn't exist yet but will soon ) that handled like a Lotus Elise :)

These lenses will undoubtedly be great optics but I'm confident they won't perform beyond the realms of physics.

Zoom range sells more than aperture size because it's easier for the guy across the counter to explain that to a potential customer. End of story...

LOL. I don't doubt you're right, though resolution on long tele lenses correlates well with entrance pupil and with cost.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote wesleysa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 June 2019 at 18:36
Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

Originally posted by wesleysa wesleysa wrote:

If the posts on the 200-600 above related to cars, I'd you were asking for a Merc V12 Bi-turbo Doublecab pick up (that doesn't exist yet but will soon ) that handled like a Lotus Elise :)

These lenses will undoubtedly be great optics but I'm confident they won't perform beyond the realms of physics.

Zoom range sells more than aperture size because it's easier for the guy across the counter to explain that to a potential customer. End of story...

LOL. I don't doubt you're right, though resolution on long tele lenses correlates well with entrance pupil and with cost.


But seriously... who 'needs' a slow 600mm?

I'd argue (perhaps in ignorance because my camera only has a 24MP sensor) that some cropping and ISO bumping would render this irrelevant.

What is this lens for? Someone that wants to shoot his kids indoor soccer match at 250mm and then jet to the Kruger and shoot hippos at 600mm in broad daylight without changing lenses??

Boring Sony.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 2manycamera Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 June 2019 at 19:19


What is this lens for? Someone that wants to shoot his kids indoor soccer match at 250mm and then jet to the Kruger and shoot hippos at 600mm in broad daylight without changing lenses??

Boring Sony. [/QUOTE]

Perhaps However, perhaps another use...
I shoot equestrian, three day eventing, which is especially difficult is the cross country phase. These occur in smaller events from a few acres to roaming across hundreds in 2-3 star pro events. You have to pick a spot. If you plan well and are lucky, you can place yourself between 2,3 or 4 jumps. A 200-600 would go a long way to hitting 200mm at the closest jump, while having decent framing on more distant jumps at 600mm, and in between as horses move across the field. Hardly boring...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote wesleysa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 June 2019 at 21:24
Doesn't sound boring at all!

Point well made on flexibility. But it still seems to me a bit like a one trick horse. I dunno, I haven't used one.

But from a purely photographic perspective (which probably isn't relevant in 2019) if Sony was going to draw me to E-mount they would have made an E200/2.8 (not f/2.. it will be heavy and expensive) and an E300/4.

I confess it wouldn't help with the horses

I also confess I'm no expert in lens design but those 2 'missing' primes must be optically simpler than the 200-600. And I'd wager if Sony turned their designers onto something like these 2 primes they'd be able to do it with aplomb.

And I'm sure they'd be a joy to use! But alas, economics.

Horses for courses as they say I guess
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Post Options Post Options   Quote C_N_RED_AGAIN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 June 2019 at 21:33
Sonyís gonna sell a whole lot of 200-600 imo and I definately think they would/will sell better than a future 200 2.8. The 200 while being great for separation is far to short for wildlife, to long for most portraits and better options exist.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote wesleysa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 June 2019 at 21:53
As I say, economics...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2019 at 09:03
Imaging Resource has a very good preview of the 200-600 and this line caught my attention: "the lens is designed for minimal focus breathing, which means there should be very little change to framing as focus changes" - if this is true, that is impressive for a lens that has internal zooming (and focussing). The more I look at it, I think this lens is worth the money. I want one, but have no use for one

They also have a 600/4 preview for those interested in that lens.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2019 at 09:05
Oh, by the way, Sony was smart to provide all the press with A9 cameras, I wonder how the AF is with the A7m3 and A7r3 (let alone older cameras).
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Iíll let you know in August when mine comes in and it lives on my 6400
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