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The A7II + LA-EA4 is a decent option for those lenses. I was happy that I could buy the A7II brand-new from a local store. I ignored the LA-EA4 in my decision to buy the camera, but it is useful. The A7II is two years more recent than the A99 with a more advanced stabilization system. AF-C is limited to 2.5 FPS with adapted lenses.

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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

The A7II + LA-EA4 is a decent option for those lenses. I was happy that I could buy the A7II brand-new from a local store. I ignored the LA-EA4 in my decision to buy the camera, but it is useful. The A7II is two years more recent than the A99 with a more advanced stabilization system.
But with a AF system from the stone ages (well, almost, 2011 ).

I guess there is no free lunch.
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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

I would not say the AF of the A77II is wasted on old glass. You could say the same about any Sony camera or even the last Minolta film cameras. The OP's Minolta lenses don't focus as well as SSM lenses on his A100.

You do get focusing benefits with the 11 latest Sony lenses on either A77 or either A99 or A37, A57, A58, A65, or A68. If you want the best AF performance it is the latest lenses on the latest bodies. The older SSM lenses are a step down in AF performance on those cameras.

Sony doesn't put internal focus distance encoders in their cameras. A post Alpha/Maxxum/Dynax 7 "D" lens from 2000 or later is required for best stabilization at close focus. The non-D lenses get less effective stabilization at close focus.

Sorry. I should have said there is no improvement for those lenses moving to the a77ii for speed over the a77.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 April 2019 at 17:38
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

The A7II + LA-EA4 is a decent option for those lenses. I was happy that I could buy the A7II brand-new from a local store. I ignored the LA-EA4 in my decision to buy the camera, but it is useful. The A7II is two years more recent than the A99 with a more advanced stabilization system.
But with a AF system from the stone ages (well, almost, 2011 ).

I guess there is no free lunch.

The AF sensor array in the LA-EA4 is older than the one in A77/A99, but the AF processing in the A7II is newer than the A77/A99. Newer is not always better. I suspect that the A77II might have faster AF processing than the A68. The A65 seemed to focus better than the A58.

The lenses listed don't support AF-D on the A99 or hybrid AF on the A99II.

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It seems that budget is limited (I know that feeling) and probably rules out the A99, which also rules out the A99ii and probably the A77ii - good for me because I can chip in from my experience of cheaper models! I have 5D, A100, A350, A58, A77 and A900 bodies and use the last three regularly.

It seems to me that the choice is between A77 (perhaps A77ii or A68) and A900 (or A850).

If you are accustomed to the A100 then the change to an A900 will be unsettling as all your lenses will suddenly have different viewing angles - they will not be the lenses you are used to. IMO they will actually be better working in their design mode, but they will not do what they did on the A100.

They are all good lenses, seriously good glass for their time - better, more modern lenses are available, but, if the budget is tight, I'd upgrade the body first.

While I like the A900 it also frustrates me in not being an SLT - coming from an A100 this may not be an issue at all, but having got used to the EVF and all the other features in the A58 and then the A77 I really miss them in the A900.

Either option (A77 or A900) will result in big changes - SLT features with familiar viewpoints or familiar features with FF viewpoints, DOF etc. Both will give higher resolution and enhanced performance in all areas. If low light shooting is a driver I would go SLT every time, ditto for long exposure work (stick an ND filter on the A900 everything goes dark, on the A77 the EVF compensates).

I can't tell you what to buy, but, if I had to dump all but one of my camera bodies I'd hang on to the A77. If money is really tight then the A58 is a serious upgrade from the A100 for remarkably little cash (get one with the 18-55 kit lens, it will cost little or no more and the lens would be a very useful addition to your collection).

Meanwhile I am saving up for an A99 or A77ii - and am still dithering over which to get. Needless to say I really want the A99ii that I can't afford!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ragamuffin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2019 at 21:14
Originally posted by Phil Wood Phil Wood wrote:

It seems that budget is limited (I know that feeling) and probably rules out the A99, which also rules out the A99ii and probably the A77ii - good for me because I can chip in from my experience of cheaper models! I have 5D, A100, A350, A58, A77 and A900 bodies and use the last three regularly.

It seems to me that the choice is between A77 (perhaps A77ii or A68) and A900 (or A850).

If you are accustomed to the A100 then the change to an A900 will be unsettling as all your lenses will suddenly have different viewing angles - they will not be the lenses you are used to. IMO they will actually be better working in their design mode, but they will not do what they did on the A100.

They are all good lenses, seriously good glass for their time - better, more modern lenses are available, but, if the budget is tight, I'd upgrade the body first.

While I like the A900 it also frustrates me in not being an SLT - coming from an A100 this may not be an issue at all, but having got used to the EVF and all the other features in the A58 and then the A77 I really miss them in the A900.

Either option (A77 or A900) will result in big changes - SLT features with familiar viewpoints or familiar features with FF viewpoints, DOF etc. Both will give higher resolution and enhanced performance in all areas. If low light shooting is a driver I would go SLT every time, ditto for long exposure work (stick an ND filter on the A900 everything goes dark, on the A77 the EVF compensates).

I can't tell you what to buy, but, if I had to dump all but one of my camera bodies I'd hang on to the A77. If money is really tight then the A58 is a serious upgrade from the A100 for remarkably little cash (get one with the 18-55 kit lens, it will cost little or no more and the lens would be a very useful addition to your collection).

Meanwhile I am saving up for an A99 or A77ii - and am still dithering over which to get. Needless to say I really want the A99ii that I can't afford!

Thanks for your suggestion. Yes, budget is tight and I'm experiencing more and more that my A100 isn't cutting it anymore. I'm actually looking at A57. Cost is super low (around $200-250) and I read somewhere that A58 might be a downgrade in terms of video capabilities? Anyways, I'm still hoping to save up for FF camera someday. I understand that it may be unsettling as you mentioned, but I'm still curious. I'm also looking at quieter lenses than my Minoltas to minimize focusing noise during video shoot. Looking at 16-50 2.8 and 18-55 kit lens that you mentioned.
 



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A5100 + PZ16-50 would give you a very affordable compact do-it-all in high resolution solution. Plus you can adapt hundreds of super cheap nice good character lenses on the e-mount. Full frame, yes. But APS-C would not harm IQ, rendering of lenses yes, IQ not so much
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Originally posted by ragamuffin ragamuffin wrote:


Thanks for your suggestion. Yes, budget is tight and I'm experiencing more and more that my A100 isn't cutting it anymore. I'm actually looking at A57. Cost is super low (around $200-250) and I read somewhere that A58 might be a downgrade in terms of video capabilities? Anyways, I'm still hoping to save up for FF camera someday. I understand that it may be unsettling as you mentioned, but I'm still curious. I'm also looking at quieter lenses than my Minoltas to minimize focusing noise during video shoot. Looking at 16-50 2.8 and 18-55 kit lens that you mentioned.


I don't shoot video, so I can't comment on the A58 in that aspect - but it is worth noting that the A900 does not do video at all. My A77 and A900 each cost about £300 ($400) - there are bargains out there and the trend is down. An A58 can be bought for half that with kit lens (mine was £200 a couple of years back). There are those who prefer the A57 - which I have no experience of, they may well be right, it certainly seems to be a little more expensive! Might be worth following A65 sales as well, I don't know about video, but it is generally viewed as better than both the A57 & A58. I see some are being sold at around the $250 mark on US ebay.

If I had to choose only one of my lenses to keep along with the A77 it would be the 16-50mm SSM. It is superb, much better and quieter than the 18-55 SAM II - and much pricier though not exorbitantly so - if your budget can stretch to it go for it. If not the 18-55 SAM II is a decent lens that will serve until you can afford better.

The A58 was sold as a kit with the 18-55 SAM II, the A57/A65 had (IIRC) the 18-55 SAM - there is not a huge difference but the SAM II is the better/quieter lens.



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Originally posted by Phil Wood Phil Wood wrote:

Originally posted by ragamuffin ragamuffin wrote:


Thanks for your suggestion. Yes, budget is tight and I'm experiencing more and more that my A100 isn't cutting it anymore. I'm actually looking at A57. Cost is super low (around $200-250) and I read somewhere that A58 might be a downgrade in terms of video capabilities? Anyways, I'm still hoping to save up for FF camera someday. I understand that it may be unsettling as you mentioned, but I'm still curious. I'm also looking at quieter lenses than my Minoltas to minimize focusing noise during video shoot. Looking at 16-50 2.8 and 18-55 kit lens that you mentioned.


I don't shoot video, so I can't comment on the A%8 in that aspect - but it is worth noting that the A900 does not do video at all. My A77 and A900 each cost about £300 ($400) - there are bargains out there and the trend is down. An A58 can be bought for half that with kit lens (mine was £200 a couple of years back). There are those who prefer the A57 - which I have no experience of, they may well be right, it certainly seems to be a little more expensive! Might be worth following A65 sales as well, I don't know about video, but it is generally viewed as better than both the A57 & A58. I see some are being sold at around the $250 mark on US ebay.

If I had to choose only one of my lenses to keep along with the A77 it would be the 16-50mm SSM. It is superb, much better and quieter than the 18-55 SAM II - and much pricier though not exorbitantly so - if your budget can stretch to it go for it. If not the 18-55 SAM II is a decent lens that will serve until you can afford better.

The A58 was sold as a kit with the 18-55 SAM II, the A57/A65 had (IIRC) the 18-55 SAM - there is not a huge difference but the SAM II is the better/quieter lens.


I'm one who prefers the A57 over the A58. I never could tell if there is a difference between the 18-55 SAM and 18-55 SAM II beside the styling and name.
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I think the best option on a budget is to keep your options open. The A57 EVF is worse, but I am sure It is it useable. The weird screen hinge can be tolerated.

Everytime I use an EVF in sun, like yesterday, I wish for an optical viewfinder.
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I have been on the migration path you are contemplating. Here's my history:

A100 - It let me use my collection of Minolta and 3rd party A mount lenses on a DSLR, and that worked/works very well. It did so much more than my old film SLR I was blown away. While aging compared to newer cameras, it still does everything it did when it was new. Where is it leaving you short?

A65 - Many advances over the A100, still in use today, mostly with a long lens for critters and birds. The 24mp sensor lets me crop on longer shots further than I could on the 10mp A100. It is a nice camera, I still like it.

Nex5t - and LA-EA2 adapter, it uses all my Minolta and other glass, has some nice functions, and with the collapsible 16-50mm kit lens it makes a wonderful pocket camera. The price is right these days, and the LA-EA2 adapter is relatively inexpensive. The biggest lack is no image stabilization, and the lenses/adapter are often bigger than the camera.

A7ii - Back to FF for the first time since my Minolta days. Combined with an LA-EA4 adapter it still uses all my old glass plus what I've accumulated since. It is a wonderful camera, and from the first shot with the 50mm Minolta lens I got about 30 years ago it has felt like being home again. These cameras are showing up around $800-$900 and the adapter is another couple of hundred. That may put it out of budget range, but if not, it is worth looking at. It is compact and has a ton of features. The original A7 is less expensive, but like the Nex it lacks stabilization. That was important to me, stabilizing my old Minolta lenses was part of what attracted me to the A100 in the first place.

My A100 doesn't get out much anymore, but when it does I am surprised that the colors produced by the CCD sensor are better than my newer cameras with CMOS sensors. It is not very fast, but the image quality is good. With most pictures today viewed on a screen you will be hard pressed to see an image quality difference between the 10mp A100 and the 24mp sensors on the cameras being touted. Even when a difference is discernible you will have to get very close, within 2 feet, of a large high resolution - 4k screen to tell them apart.

I like all the things the newer cameras do, better video, higher ISO, better stabilization, and lotsa bells and whistles. But, when I get down to it, the A100 was/is a very capable camera. Much of the Minolta glass, including several of the lenses you have, are very good and will out resolve many sensors. The biggest difference in new lenses are coatings. The micro contrast they provide improves the impression of sharpness and coatings reduce aberrations. Those can to varying degrees be achieved in post processing with the lenses you have.

If it were my call and the A100 is still working well, I'd be tempted to keep using it and save my money until an A7/A7ii with adapter fit my budget. Full frame will put new life into your old lenses and bring them back to where they were designed to work best. Same might be said for an A99. The A850/900 are older technology. When you make the jump, making it to SLT or EVF seems wise.

FWIW, we all get infatuated with the latest and greatest, and convince ourselves we need newer, faster, more features. Avoiding that seduction can be hard. It is easy to convince ourselves we are relatively deprived As I asked at the top, where is the A100 cramping your style?
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Originally posted by LAbernethy LAbernethy wrote:

I'm one who prefers the A57 over the A58.


You're not the only one!
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I never really considered smaller e-mount cameras such as nex-5t, 5000, 6000 etc. Looking at specs, they seem comparable to a-mount cameras. Does the smaller body size hinder you at all? To me, it would be unbalanced if I put beercan or big lenses. Maybe due to its small size, it would be easier to carry it around?
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Originally posted by Cliff Cliff wrote:

I have been on the migration path you are contemplating. Here's my history:

A100 - It let me use my collection of Minolta and 3rd party A mount lenses on a DSLR, and that worked/works very well. It did so much more than my old film SLR I was blown away. While aging compared to newer cameras, it still does everything it did when it was new. Where is it leaving you short?

A65 - Many advances over the A100, still in use today, mostly with a long lens for critters and birds. The 24mp sensor lets me crop on longer shots further than I could on the 10mp A100. It is a nice camera, I still like it.

Nex5t - and LA-EA2 adapter, it uses all my Minolta and other glass, has some nice functions, and with the collapsible 16-50mm kit lens it makes a wonderful pocket camera. The price is right these days, and the LA-EA2 adapter is relatively inexpensive. The biggest lack is no image stabilization, and the lenses/adapter are often bigger than the camera.

A7ii - Back to FF for the first time since my Minolta days. Combined with an LA-EA4 adapter it still uses all my old glass plus what I've accumulated since. It is a wonderful camera, and from the first shot with the 50mm Minolta lens I got about 30 years ago it has felt like being home again. These cameras are showing up around $800-$900 and the adapter is another couple of hundred. That may put it out of budget range, but if not, it is worth looking at. It is compact and has a ton of features. The original A7 is less expensive, but like the Nex it lacks stabilization. That was important to me, stabilizing my old Minolta lenses was part of what attracted me to the A100 in the first place.

My A100 doesn't get out much anymore, but when it does I am surprised that the colors produced by the CCD sensor are better than my newer cameras with CMOS sensors. It is not very fast, but the image quality is good. With most pictures today viewed on a screen you will be hard pressed to see an image quality difference between the 10mp A100 and the 24mp sensors on the cameras being touted. Even when a difference is discernible you will have to get very close, within 2 feet, of a large high resolution - 4k screen to tell them apart.

I like all the things the newer cameras do, better video, higher ISO, better stabilization, and lotsa bells and whistles. But, when I get down to it, the A100 was/is a very capable camera. Much of the Minolta glass, including several of the lenses you have, are very good and will out resolve many sensors. The biggest difference in new lenses are coatings. The micro contrast they provide improves the impression of sharpness and coatings reduce aberrations. Those can to varying degrees be achieved in post processing with the lenses you have.

If it were my call and the A100 is still working well, I'd be tempted to keep using it and save my money until an A7/A7ii with adapter fit my budget. Full frame will put new life into your old lenses and bring them back to where they were designed to work best. Same might be said for an A99. The A850/900 are older technology. When you make the jump, making it to SLT or EVF seems wise.

FWIW, we all get infatuated with the latest and greatest, and convince ourselves we need newer, faster, more features. Avoiding that seduction can be hard. It is easy to convince ourselves we are relatively deprived As I asked at the top, where is the A100 cramping your style?

A100 has served me well for 10 years! However, compared to my friend's camera that's 5 years old, AF speed is slow and iso is unusable past 800. I didn't know what I was missing until I tried other cameras. However, when I have abundant lighting and taking a still picture, I can't complain about my A100. It still serves me well.

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