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    Posted: 13 November 2018 at 19:06
Hi,
Have a quick questions since I find confusing information:
Would a flash from the Minolta X series (X700, X570/X500 etc) like the 360px or 80px work with an adapter on a Maxxum/Dynax 7, ideally with TTL? These flashes have OTF-TTL, which the camera supports as well.

The manual of the Maxxum 7 says no to X series flashes, but there is the adapter Minolta FS-1100 which is to connect the early AF flashes to the iISO hotshoes. Is this early AF series flash different to the TTL manual focus flashes? The hotshoe seems to be the same?

In https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IISO_flash_shoe#Electronic_Contacts I see "The electrical interface and protocol is backward-compatible with the older Minolta hotshoe, except for that it does not support the F4 signal, which was provided by the first generation of Minolta AF SLRs to control the AF illuminator, as this function became part of the digital protocol."

Any ideas?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 November 2018 at 21:42
Originally posted by ant! ant! wrote:

The manual of the Maxxum 7 says no to X series flashes ...

But those are not the same as PX series.

As discussed previously, the 7000 fully supports the 1800AF, 2800AF, and 4000AF, and supports the PX models enough to provide TTL autoflash.

Since the Maxxum 7 with the flash adapter supports the 1800AF, 2800AF, and 4000AF, it should also support the PX models enough to provide TTL autoflash.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote neilt3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 November 2018 at 22:18
Do you already own these flashes ?
Only the PX flashes used OTF-TTL flash on such as the X-700 and A/F cameras such as the 7000AF .


If your after a cheap flash to use with yout 7 ones such as the Minolta 5200i sell for next to nothing .
A bit more would get you a Minolta 5600HS , which gives you wireless , high speed sync , TTL flash with the 7 .
A bit more money would get you a Minolta 5600HS/D which does the same but also works TTL with digital cameras .
Have a look on this website for more information ;
https://www.mhohner.de/sony-minolta/flashes.php?shoe=2

Also be aware that some older flash guns from manual focus camera era can have a trigger voltage that can fry the circuits of modern cameras , film & digital .
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Originally posted by neilt3 neilt3 wrote:

Do you already own these flashes ?
Only the PX flashes used OTF-TTL flash on such as the X-700 and A/F cameras such as the 7000AF .


If your after a cheap flash to use with yout 7 ones such as the Minolta 5200i sell for next to nothing .
A bit more would get you a Minolta 5600HS (I think you mean the 5400HS), which gives you wireless , high speed sync , TTL flash with the 7 .
A bit more money would get you a Minolta 5600HS/D which does the same but also works TTL with digital cameras .
Have a look on this website for more information ;
https://www.mhohner.de/sony-minolta/flashes.php?shoe=2

Also be aware that some older flash guns from manual focus camera era can have a trigger voltage that can fry the circuits of modern cameras , film & digital .
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Post Options Post Options   Quote neilt3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 November 2018 at 23:53
Originally posted by mirthseeker mirthseeker wrote:

Originally posted by neilt3 neilt3 wrote:

Do you already own these flashes ?
Only the PX flashes used OTF-TTL flash on such as the X-700 and A/F cameras such as the 7000AF .


If your after a cheap flash to use with yout 7 ones such as the Minolta 5200i sell for next to nothing .
A bit more would get you a Minolta 5600HS (I think you mean the 5400HS), which gives you wireless , high speed sync , TTL flash with the 7 .
A bit more money would get you a Minolta 5600HS/D which does the same but also works TTL with digital cameras .
Have a look on this website for more information ;
https://www.mhohner.de/sony-minolta/flashes.php?shoe=2

Also be aware that some older flash guns from manual focus camera era can have a trigger voltage that can fry the circuits of modern cameras , film & digital .


Sorry , yes .
It's the 5400HS I meant .
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ant! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 November 2018 at 00:11
Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:


But those are not the same as PX series.

[...]Since the Maxxum 7 with the flash adapter supports the 1800AF, 2800AF, and 4000AF, it should also support the PX models enough to provide TTL autoflash.


Thanks, was not thinking of X vs PX, but you are right. So only the pre-PX do not work, this makes sense.

Originally posted by neilt3 neilt3 wrote:

Do you already own these flashes ?
Only the PX flashes used OTF-TTL flash on such as the X-700 and A/F cameras such as the 7000AF .


Yes, have a 360PX (TTL, auto with built-in sensor and manual), the 80px (TTL macro ring) and the 280PX (TTL). Additionally a 123X, but this is only auto. Have these for my X570 and XD7, with a bunch of cables...

But you are right, the price difference between an adapter and the 5400HS isn't big, that makes sense too.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote michelb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 November 2018 at 01:08
The PX series stopped working in TTL when the i series of bodies (and flashes ) were introduced. This was probably due to the absence of proper language between the body/flash lens that became more elaborate when the i series came along. They could be used in sensor auto (sensor on the flash) in A-Mode with the FS-1100 but any body requiring a pre-flash (digital), will change the shutter to X-synch speed when ready, but when you release the shutter, no flash will trigger because the body is giving a command for a pre-flash that these can not provide (same with original AF, i series, xi series ands series of flash units) and this prevents even the flash to trigger.

The FS-1100 was introduced to allow the use of the original series of AF flash units with the i series of bodies and continued to be compatible up to the end of the film cameras. Of course, no AF illuminator was usable from the old flash units due to the different pattern they project and the fact that they are now higher on the body due to the adapter.

The X series could work in A Mode using the FS-1100 by using the on flash sensor with the same limitations as above for 360PX if used on digital bodies. It will also place the body at the X-synch speed but beware some X series of flashes do have higher than 6V trigger voltage. I did check 320X at 10-12V, 132PX at 15-20V. These could harm the motherboard in your expensive camera body.
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I have a spare 5400HS and a spare 5400xi in case you are interested. I am around Montreal.

PM me if interested
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 November 2018 at 06:40
Originally posted by ant! ant! wrote:

Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:


But those are not the same as PX series.

[...]Since the Maxxum 7 with the flash adapter supports the 1800AF, 2800AF, and 4000AF, it should also support the PX models enough to provide TTL autoflash.


Thanks, was not thinking of X vs PX, but you are right. So only the pre-PX do not work, this makes sense.
I am not sure that is the case. I think it is most likely they mean both X and PX flashes, as I think P stands for Program X. These were introduced with the X-series of cameras and the "Minolta Program System" (MPS). For some additional information: Rokkor Files on PX flashes
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I think any ilSO shoe flashes with 'AF' in the title will work*, even non-Minolta ones like the Jessops 320AF, but not WL functions of course. Also the Minolta 3200i and 5400xi will work too. You can pick up these older ones for next to nothing in charoty shops, junk shops, and ebay. Most of them have had very little use.

If you want to spread some extra flashes around, you can also use the early generation of self-auto-sensing flashes like the Vivitar 283/285 with a cheap optical trigger.

You can also hold a manual flash with an opto trigger in one hand (outstretched arm) and use the camera flash to trigger it, and point it to the ceiling/wall/etc for bounce.

*Correction: My understanding is that the non-D flashes will only work at full power on digital cameras (or manual if they have that capability) because they rely on an off-the-film 'stop' signal from the camera which only film cameras have. And they won't meter correctly off-camera either because the optical WL format changed. Which is why I either use D flashes or the older generation of self-sensing ones off-camera.

However a few of the crossover film cameras like the Dynax 5 and 7 would support old or new protocols.

Edited by Miranda F - 14 November 2018 at 09:55
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Post Options Post Options   Quote amrep Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 November 2018 at 11:59
Speaking about old Vivitar flashes. It seems like 238/285 are still quite well known, but I would prefer the modular successors 3700 and 4600. These have lower (safe) trigger voltage and more options for older film bodies.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote rastapartaman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 November 2018 at 13:39
I went that route already. All manual flashes with triggees.   In the end it was a pain to adjust the power settings whenever you want to change the output.
I end up buying this an 2xthis and never looked back. You can adjust everything from the controller. No wires and they all work TTL with your camera. 3 flashes are more than enough for a small studio. Total cost around 200. A lot less than a branded Sony flash.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ant! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 November 2018 at 01:06
Hi everyone,

Sorry for the late answer (things like taking care of the baby and making the bicycle snow-ready came in between).

Thanks for clarifying that these units finally do not work. And @michelb: Thanks for the offer, just saw it too late. I actually came across a cheap 5400HS, so this solves my basic flash needs for the moment.
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