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Jet! Why did you not join us? We do colourful all year and B&W just one week
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Originally posted by @Jetsplace @Jetsplace wrote:

Héy Guys....   

When your B&W challenge is finished and you need more color in your days...   

A COLORFULL July challenge is on it's way.


Working on the setup now.


Great!
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Joe and Bonneville, thanks for your comments.

Day 2 comments from my side.

gregja - An interesting pic because of the view point. One from which we usually don't see the world.
addy - A good street silhouette. The sun looks nice, of course.
snegren - I've watched the Meyer themed thread with interest. The rendering is very interesting and the bokeh makes this shot.
waldo - A nice street moment. I can feel the driver waiting for the passengers to board so he can move forward.
fred_s - Interesting effect. Feels like a circular fish-eye but 25mm doesn't sound like a fish-eye. Who uses inches for FL, anyway?
mariuszlo - I like how the ferry has high contrast compared to the more muted Manhattan skyline. Cloud details are captured well enough to indicate weather without being overpowering.
nandbytes - This is one of the better images on this challenge so far. Great compo, good shutter (exif missing), people add scale etc. Not overly sharp and adds to the effect of a B&W image along with the deep blacks.
Phil - Absolutely lovely image. Rather than technical superiority, there's a good amount of emotional appeal to the pic. But it's also a technically good image.
mikey2000 - The image could be stronger than what it is now. I'd expect the texture of the dried flowers/leaves to add to the overall effect of the dead flowers. An alternative perspective I can imagine would be to have one in closer focus to show texture and other flowers fading into the background.
4paul - This is quite a strong image. The angel in the fg with the necropolis in the middle and metropolis in the back makes for a strong compo.
robbie - I like your images, Robbie. This is another of the grayscale that appeals to me due to the strong elements.

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So... what makes for a good monochrome image?

A quick lookup on a photography site or a tog's opinion leads us down to technical definitions for elements of composition like shapes, contrast, texture, light and dark etc. This aligns with my own proclivities. When I look at which pics in this challenge appeal to me, I find that I tend to go with what's defined thus. Looking at popular photos online like 500px etc. would also confirm my opinion.

There are some pics here that seems to be desaturated and presented as such. I'd like to perhaps get the member's own view about why they like the pic they presented so I can try to see it from their perspective (yes, pun intended). Maybe we should've included that as part of the challenge. Write a line or two explaining why you presented your pic. But then the opposite opinion would be to let the pic speak for itself and let the viewer have their own interpretation.

Not all good color photos will make good black and white photos for color is quite a strong compositional element. A strong image due to vibrant colors could turn out to be a flat image in grayscale.

So, as you can see, as I participate in this challenge and present my own pics, I'm also looking at and evaluating others pics critically.

Hopefully this will also improve my own black and white vision.

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Day 3 comments.

Joe - quite a stark image that captures the tumultuous 2020 and 2021. The brights on the right and darks on the left separate the image well and contrast the living with the dead. The mask is quite a powerful reminder of the danger, on both your faces. Is the image tilted a bit?

gregja - nice geometry. I wouldn't mind lifting the shadows just a bit to the bottom right but it's a matter of taste.

Lee - Could be a strong image especially for animal lovers. Good DOF.

snegren - Very swirly!

nandbytes - I might have been tempted to go much lower and get the knife edge parallel to the sensor and get a shallow DOF shot rather than shooting down.

Howard_S - A very nice street shot. Street is a genre that naturally lends itself well to grayscale conversions.

waldo_posth - A strong image, Herald. I like your grayscale shots and conversions since they tie well into my own vision of B&W. We seem to share tastes in this aspect.

bigsi - It's difficult to get interesting monochrome images with a lot of foliage. The pics tend to get very busy and also very flat. I like how this image manages to convey depth due to how the bushes have been planned out. The cottage itself gets a little lost in the garden but that adds to the effect of a charming cottage. A strong compo with good conversion.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jozioau Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2021 at 14:41
Originally posted by skm.sa100 skm.sa100 wrote:

Day 3 comments.
Joe - quite a stark image that captures the tumultuous 2020 and 2021. The brights on the right and darks on the left separate the image well and contrast the living with the dead. The mask is quite a powerful reminder of the danger, on both your faces. Is the image tilted a bit?


Thanks Sashi for your thoughtful comments. When I saw the masked skeleton in the shopfront window a little while after having taken a reflected masked 'selfie' on the same shopping strip, my Day 3 outtake, I thought of setting up this juxtaposition of mirrored masked heads, the skeleton sharply focussed and bright white against the living photographer reflected darkly and out of focus. I experimented with different apertures and liked this image the best. A modern day 'Memento Mori' (reminder of death and mortality)as a continuum in a very long standing art tradition.
You are right about the slight tilt that I have left as is, because if I straighten it the top of the skull gets cropped. Guess I should have taken a little more care reviewing my shots before I departed.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote @Jetsplace Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2021 at 15:28
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Jet! Why did you not join us? We do colourful all year and B&W just one week


That would have been great but I have been operated 3 weeks ago and I am not allowed to carry or lift anything more than 1kg. My camera is just to heavy for my at the moment.
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I have really set myself up to fail with this challenge. Why? Because I thought I'd blow the dust off my Batis collection and give them all an airing. The first three days have been okay with 18mm, 25mm and 40mm but today is the 85mm and I really struggled to find a location far enough back to embrace the entire building. These Lincolnshire churches are in little villages and often surrounded by private properties so it is challenging to find a location and/or an unobstructed view.

Therefore Thursday's photo in the charmingly named village of Burton le Coggles has finished up with only the upper part of the building. I specifically want to capture the tower or spire but I'm reluctant the go portrait mode as it loses all the rest of the church.

I shudder to think how I am going to manage tomorrow with the final Batis; the 135mm f2.8 . Hey Ho



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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2021 at 16:56
Originally posted by @Jetsplace @Jetsplace wrote:

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Jet! Why did you not join us? We do colourful all year and B&W just one week


That would have been great but I have been operated 3 weeks ago and I am not allowed to carry or lift anything more than 1kg. My camera is just to heavy for my at the moment.
You're excused (but you should use lighter lenses )
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Originally posted by skm.sa100 skm.sa100 wrote:

So... what makes for a good monochrome image?

A quick lookup on a photography site or a tog's opinion leads us down to technical definitions for elements of composition like shapes, contrast, texture, light and dark etc. This aligns with my own proclivities. When I look at which pics in this challenge appeal to me, I find that I tend to go with what's defined thus. Looking at popular photos online like 500px etc. would also confirm my opinion.

There are some pics here that seems to be desaturated and presented as such. I'd like to perhaps get the member's own view about why they like the pic they presented so I can try to see it from their perspective (yes, pun intended). Maybe we should've included that as part of the challenge. Write a line or two explaining why you presented your pic. But then the opposite opinion would be to let the pic speak for itself and let the viewer have their own interpretation.

Not all good color photos will make good black and white photos for color is quite a strong compositional element. A strong image due to vibrant colors could turn out to be a flat image in grayscale.

So, as you can see, as I participate in this challenge and present my own pics, I'm also looking at and evaluating others pics critically.

Hopefully this will also improve my own black and white vision.

Regards
Sashi


Pfff, this almost makes me give up.

Therefor today a "back to basics"...
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Originally posted by Harm vb Harm vb wrote:

Originally posted by skm.sa100 skm.sa100 wrote:

So... what makes for a good monochrome image?

A quick lookup on a photography site or a tog's opinion leads us down to technical definitions for elements of composition like shapes, contrast, texture, light and dark etc. This aligns with my own proclivities. When I look at which pics in this challenge appeal to me, I find that I tend to go with what's defined thus. Looking at popular photos online like 500px etc. would also confirm my opinion.

There are some pics here that seems to be desaturated and presented as such. I'd like to perhaps get the member's own view about why they like the pic they presented so I can try to see it from their perspective (yes, pun intended). Maybe we should've included that as part of the challenge. Write a line or two explaining why you presented your pic. But then the opposite opinion would be to let the pic speak for itself and let the viewer have their own interpretation.

Not all good color photos will make good black and white photos for color is quite a strong compositional element. A strong image due to vibrant colors could turn out to be a flat image in grayscale.

So, as you can see, as I participate in this challenge and present my own pics, I'm also looking at and evaluating others pics critically.

Hopefully this will also improve my own black and white vision.

Regards
Sashi


Pfff, this almost makes me give up.

Therefor today a "back to basics"...
Never give up!

If I look at Ansel, it all is form, contrast, texture, light and dark etc. But when I look at HCB I see also emotion, curiosity, movement, layers. B&W might seem like a limitation, but it simply is a different way of looking. Yes, a strong image due to vibrant colours could turn out to be a flat image in grayscale - however, a strong B&W picture might be a boring colour picture as the colours are distracting.

I really enjoy this challenge.
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Oh no it's almost over!
And I haven't started my thumbnails, or started commenting!!

Jet and Paul are both recovering, maybe we should have a cell phone challenge?!

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Originally posted by Harm vb Harm vb wrote:



Pfff, this almost makes me give up.

Therefor today a "back to basics"...


One of the members here has, as his signature, a quote that goes something like "Your first 10,000 pictures are your worst."

I've crossed that 10,000 mark (I think) but I'm still not there! What took Heri 10,000 might take me 100,000!

It's not that difficult to get pics that'll make you happy.

I'm a man of many pursuits and if there's one thing I've learned, it's that the beginner phase is the most difficult - by far! That's where most people get disheartened and give up. Once over that phase, it gets much better and being a student of the pursuit is a lifetime's worth of rewards.
Virtue is its own reward, as they say. Personal pursuits are life's best rewards, as I like to say.

Keep at it and you'll be staring your own B&W challenge thread next time around.

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I'm a fan of the Outtakes thread in challenges, so I'm going to start there:

page 1
waldo_posth abstract buildings!
alanfrombangor yeah I'm sure color pops but I especially like the phone box being the same "color" as the mill, to emphasize the old vs new aspect of it, and the colorless sky is cinematic, like an old French/Italian/Welles movie
waldo_posth agree Jozioau uses the 500 reflex well (thumbsup)
Dopol for 5 you should have cut the wire for the selfie guy, you would have had a perfect shot with the splash LOL
Harm vb sometimes ICE goes wonky with me too, it's usually surprisingly good, once in a while it doesn't; sometimes I can get it to work by removing one of the frames, but then the stitch has less space but at least the part that is there is mostly straight - often it's the last frames, when I rotate the camera too far
Phil Wood awesome Lone (two) Tree!
mikey2000 I see sheep and hairy (ox?), but what about bunnies? LOL

page 2
Jozioau I guess this shot started the Mask theme, I like the theme
Phil Wood nice tone color choice
Robbie very nice processing on the building, it's 3D
Snegren a little swirl on 1! I really like 4 Lily

page 3
Dopol have fun in the new town!
pegelli you worked all the angles, 135mm was actually the perfect focal length for the series (thumbsup)
Snegren why I like the Meyer thread "swirl-icious"
Jozioau here in NY that is also very common, the barber has a Harley; 85mm perfect for this location (thumbsup); I might actually like 4 better than the Day 5 photo, lemme think about it
skm.sa100 okay the third one, ugly door of a bland apartment building, that is an excellent photo. In part because it's so bland and you made a well-composed frame (especially the black but angled mat!); also because I'm sure in color it's not pretty, so B&W is the only way to present it and make it look better than it did in real life. So it may be the best photo to represent this challenge !
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