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Originally posted by Dopol Dopol wrote:

I browsed through this week's results. Some remarks

Day 3
Howard-S: my shot of the day. How did you manage to take this selfie


Ho ho! And thanks very much for the pick. I think this is my favourite of mine for the seven days, particularly as I ran out of time on a couple of days.
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Continuing on from Joe's selective comments Days 3 and 4, here are more for days 5, 6 and 7.

Day 5:
@gregja - very interesting 'worm's eye view' of these high rises. Am I reading it right as being a black and white negative?
@pegelli - fine photograph of this powerful piece of sculpture with the sharp focus on the front glass shell.
@Robbie - if you hadn't explained the way you got this image into B&W, none of us would have been the wiser. I guess PP is a powerful set of tools that can deliver all sorts of effects in a convincing manner. A brutal piece of functional architecture.
@skm.sa100 - quite minimal and simple yet appealing, with the railway leading the eye through the image and disappearing into the dark forest. The track looks to be remarkably well maintained.
@Harm vb - an attractive streetscape, well photographed with plenty to interest the viewer. The steps, parked bike and shadows in the foreground, the parked car, the cyclist, the pedestrians and distant streetlights.
@addy landzaat - interesting counterpoint of the tracked military 'Cougar' and the young ladies strolling through the middle distance. Despite the sun glare, a good tonal range.
@mariuszlo - a nice piece of 'street photography' despite it being indoors. I'm assuming the slick foreground with its reflections are polished terrazzo and not rain?
@Howard_S - A nice composition with the tower echoing the pillar.The engraved sundial on the latter looks quite ancient so I was surprised the Roman date reads 1961. My personal preference would have been to crank up the contrast or black point a tad.
@Fred_S - a picture postcard image, beautifully composed with the angles and lines, and perfectly timed with the cyclists. IR isn't my favourite rendering but I don't mind it here.
@onsplekkie - wonderful piece of action street photography, beautifully panned.
@bigsi - what an idyllic view from your vantage point. A wonderful photograph.
@LAbernethy - great snap of these racing horses. The kicked up dirt and flying tails indicate the speed, but the fence and rails are indicators of how successfully you froze the fast action with high shutter speed. Well done.
@mikey2000 - a rather forlorn guitar case. You're setting the bar very high for a father's day wish. Personally I'd have tweaked up the contrast or black point a bit.

Day 6:
@gregja - another of your signature individualistic takes on common urban infrastructure. A very appealing image.
@skm.sa100 - as far as I'm concerned, sepia is simply a predecessor of black and white. As long as it's monochrome I feel it belongs here. A fine and evocative image of bygone days.
@Harm vb - a well set up, composed and presented minimalist piece of geometric simplicity. Nice one.
@4paul - at first glance I thought I was looking at cheetahs fighting being a fence at the zoo. Those dogs look capable of inflicting serious bites.
@Phil Wood - a nice candid streetscape snap of tradesmen at work.
@Fred_S - nice selective focus and composition, I guess one of the fun things about mirrorless is the adaptability of all sorts of optical exotica.
@pegelli - a luscious image in black and white. Very tactile and sensual.
@Snegren - interesting image. I'm surprised at how quickly the focus falls away in this image. Not far behind the main subject rails in the foreground the others almost fade away to nothing.
@bigsi - with all that swirl in the sky and suggested movement, looks like something that might have inspired Van Gogh.
@addy landzaat - even deserted, this service station at night makes for an interesting subject the way you've photographed and presented it.
@mikey2000 - a very interesting clock face (souvenir of France?), but you're right - ridiculously early to be up with your camera.
@Dopol - this picture is a record of our times. Good to know that things are opening up.


Day 7:
@gregja - you said it. Need to give your audience what they're expecting. Turning the commonplace into art.
@skm.sa100 - nicely captured candid: decisions...decisions.
@bonneville - another in your series, with the final count strongly in favour of towers. I like this one for its graduated tones from dark tombstones and black windows to the white sky.
@4paul - what a macabre vehicle. Day of the Dead on wheels.
@alanfrombangor - simple subject taken from above makes for an interesting composition. The geometric concentric circles of the pots against the organic ferns.
@Dopol - an idyllic looking summer canal-side scene. Very appealing.
@pegelli - a modest and understated memorial to this catastrophic conflict that cost millions of lives. Mostly these would have attached lists of the dead, but this one is nonetheless poignant.
@Snegren - a fascinating glimpse into your almost out of control collection. Must be very difficult to pick which one(s) to use over all the others.
@onsplekkie - great shot. Are these what were removed from the garden to save what you are growing, or are they being farmed for l'escargots a la Bourguignonne?
@mariuszlo - despite seeing a few variations on this theme, it's nevertheless appealing.
@waldo_posth - brilliantly taken and presented architectural classic, perfectly lit and exposed, and all the lines vertical and horizontal.
@nandbytes - great action shot of the duck flying through the rain. Must have been challenging for the photographer.
@mikey2000 - an obvious escapee from @onsplekkie's container.
@bigsi - a simple glimpse of urban environment made interesting in your cropped view, the dramatic side light, the big bridge in the background, and the masts in the right foreground..

That's all folks, apart I hope, from a round up of voting for a representative exhibition.
A most enjoyable week, a welcome return to monochrome photography, and a very fine crop of diverse images from around the world and across seasons.

Thanks again to Addy for the inspiration, to Mike for the set-up, and to all who participated.








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Originally posted by Jozioau Jozioau wrote:

@gregja - ...negative?

Thanks for all your comments this week Joe, very diligent and lots of insight.

This image is actually a positive, taken just after sunset. Being just shy of the winter solstice in Sydney that's still working time hence the buildings are still glowing with light. Your comment got me thinking how it would appear in reverse which I've posted in the outtakes.

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Originally posted by Jozioau Jozioau wrote:


@Howard_S - A nice composition with the tower echoing the pillar.The engraved sundial on the latter looks quite ancient so I was surprised the Roman date reads 1961. My personal preference would have been to crank up the contrast or black point a tad.


Many thanks. The sundial head is a restoration, I think, but the whole structure is said to be from the C15.
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Thank you all for commenting my humble contribution and reacting on my fading motivation.

Now it is my turn to comment.

I follow the Thumbnails-thread.

@Gregja: Nice appealing collection of almost graphical B&W pictures, from which nr4 is the most attractive: nice contrast, stunning pov, nice clouds.

@Jozioau: nr 3 is it: sharp commenting on lockdown number 4 I guess, nice contrast , almost a call to ďCarpe DiemĒ

@LAbernethy: Love the doubleness of the nrs. 4 and 5: running horses in opposite directions.

@Howard_S: Your Day 4 shot stands out for me: graphic, clear, appealing. Even in B&W you see the colourfull pieces of glass.

@Phil Wood: Your picnic makes me feel the lazyness of a summer picnic in the shade of a nice tree, a little breeze there. Nice!

@bonneville: attractive collection of Lincolnshire village churches, from which nr 5 attracts me the most.

@skm.sa100: the railroad into the woods leads my eye tot he depth of the picture. Love it.

@Fred_S: strange flowery balls on day 2 and 7. Not my cup of tea, actually. Your Heiloo White Church in IR looks quite natural, bit it isnít. Difficult for me to tell which one I like mostÖ

@onsplekkie: Day 2, wonderfull capture of the flower.

@maiuszlo: although I like the skyline from nr 2, the ferry distracts my eye. But your Chapel of day 6 has a clarity I do like.

@waldo_posth: love your Museum Barberini: clear, nice contrasts, almost symmetrical. Well done!

@alanfrombangor: In my humble opinion you caught possibilities of a grim atmosphere in B&W best with your day 5: I was immediately thinking of the famous vultures in the Lucky Luke-comics.

@pegelli: The choice for square made it work, especially your rose of day 6.

@bigsi: day2 reflects for me summer, warm days in june, harvesting hay and sneezing all day. Nice capture.

@snegren: what a bling on day 7. Unfortunately I donít like the strong deformation of your lenses in the other pictures. Sorry.

@Dopol: I have been doing my studies in Utrecht, but your day 1 is unknown to me. I think I like your nr5 best: Dutch landscape.

@Robbie: for me your nr3 works best: symmetry spoiled by a tree with nice soft tones of gray in the building.

@nandbytes: I still donít understand your dirt work, bur your second day is imho a perfect shot. Would love to make it myself, but I guess I made it in color, without thinking B&W.


So far, so good.

Actually, I hated the challenge during the week. In the beginning it is new, fun, but after seeing appear much nicer shots, reading the comments I felt as a novice. It made me go down tot he deepest caves of motivation and self confidence.

Iíll visit a shrink to find myself again

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Originally posted by Harm vb Harm vb wrote:

@bonneville: attractive collection of Lincolnshire village churches, from which nr 5 attracts me the most.


Thank you, and tend to agree that #5 is probably the best. I anticipated my choice of village churches wasn't going to attract much in the way of comments, seen one church in B&W, seen them all! But it did motivate me to actually go out and find new ones to shoot as I have spent too many challenges taking last minute lazy snaps of rusty hinges etc to just meet the brief

Dyxum has always encouraged everyone to participate in a variety of ways and I am "slowly" making more effort to challenge myself. Your "end of event" summary is very much appreciated.

NB: and you don't need to visit a shrink, your collection demonstrates plenty of thought behind them all.



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Whenever I start commenting on a whole day of images I run out of steam and give up. So I'm going to follow the thumbnails thread and comment on each shooter's images separately. If I run out of steam I will, at least, have covered some!

First up is gregja.

As ever a great set.

The boardwalk, sunshading and handrail are classic Greg shots, the boardwalk works best for me.

The ferry is in similar style but a much wider view/DOF and I love it.

The sign is typical minimalist Greg but atypically sharp from corner to corner - a nice shot of a fairly mundane scene.

The lane is interestingly entitled 'before dawn' - not my time of day (luckily for me you can get this sort of shot 'after midnight' too) it's a very nice night scene.

The Sydney skyline is amazing - I'm not surprised Joe saw it as a negative image - the inverse in the outtakes is every bit as realistic. My first response was to instantly pigeonhole it as an IR shot.   

It's difficult to pick a favourite - the ferry is such a great shot, pictorially better than the skyline, but it's the skyline that gets me thinking most.
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Day 4 comments.

Joe: good candid moment in the garden. B&W definitely has a feeling to it for street style shooting.
Lee: Minimal and strongly contrasty.
Harm: I struggle to see a subject to this shot.
Howard: Good tones for this kind of conversion. Perhaps brighten the highlights?
bonneville: Nice rural church. Could get more contrast as front lit.
Maarten: Very nice "viewer is there" street. The wide angle plus close positioning makes me feel I'm part of the pic. One of my favs.
mariuszlo: I *miss* color in this pic.
waldo_posth: Herald, as a whole set your submissions plus outtakes for my fav. Perfect candid moment. One of those pics that gives a deeper meaning to the phrase "The moment it clicks".
Alan: I really like your punchy style. You seem to have gone for very strong contrasts. I've done so myself but you've gone a step or two more. Some of them have a film feel to it due to that. Note: I've never shot film!
bigsi: A *very* strong composition. Elegant in its simplicity. Now that's something difficult to achieve. The rather blown out background makes for a nice canvas and keeps the foliage from getting distracting.
Robbie: One of the better pics in this challenge. Shapes, tones, shades, highlights and shadows etc. All come together well.

Day 5.
gregja: Film negative, I suppose? Feels other worldly.
Joe: Nicely done in terms of capturing shapes and tones but the FG feels cut off. This is something I struggle with A LOT, especially when shooting up at tall structures.
Lee: An absolute beauty. My fav from your submissions. So much action and dynamism.
Harm: I agree with you that the car is a bit in the way. But this is still a nice pic for me.
Howard: A very classic old vs. new juxtaposition. Nice.
bonneville: A slight trim on the left and right would help in eliminating cut off tombstones. Nice shot.
Fred: Interesting IR. The curse of the wide angle: too much FG. I struggle with this on about 80% of my UWA shots.
onesplekke: Nicely don in terms of panning and keeping the viewer's attention on the two women.
bigsi: FBN. Nicely done in drawing the viewer's attention to the house.
Robbie: Has a bit of an abstract feel to it since I struggle to find well defined stairs.

Day 6.
Joe: You made the bike shine. Tail pipe got cut off! As I view pics critically, I can't help but notice the little things, sorry!
Harm: Clever! Your best shot in this challenge, IMHO.
Phil: Good street in catching the moment. I'm surprised you got that much DOF at 135mm and f/3.5.
bonneville: The subject feels cut off. As mentioned above, I struggle with this so much. Takes a bit more careful consideration on my part and composition in choosing a "part that represents the whole" in such situations.
Alan: Very nice trailing off of the train to form a leading line into the tunnel. The strong contrasts appeal to my personal preferences.
bigsi: I shouldn't like this pic as much as I do, but I do!
Snegren: Interesting how even the 2nd support of the bike rack fades away so quickly. The bokeh is very distinct, for sure. The receding supports form a nice leading line.
Dopol: Is there an extra zero in the shutter speed? Wow!!
Anand: Just perfect! About to strike.

Day 7.
A very busy image but the attention is very quickly drawn to the two people thanks to the dark bg and the brightness of the figures.
4paul: Good to see a subject that stands apart from most others. Nicely done.
harm: yet another clever photo. I love the simplicity. My only nitpick would be that I'd prefer to have more DOF so all stairs are in sharp focus. There's no need to have one step in focus since they're alike.
Alan, beautiful shot.
Addy: by standing taller, you could've (maybe?) avoided the bright sky to make the flower stalk stand out more from the dark bg.
Snegren: What a set of lenses!! I'll never own or even handle any of these.
mariuszlo: Very good OOF highlights on the two seats in the back.
Waldo: W-O-W!!! . This pic has so much technical and artistic merit that I'm impressed at first glance. Wonderful shot. Perhaps my fav from the entire challenge.
Phil: very nice abstract.
Mikey, is the 1/400 needed? Perfect isolation from the bg and the sliver of ground shows the expected path of the snail. Good contrast on the shell. Nice B&W conversion.

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Now for the outtakes. I'll keep it shorter and simpler.
Critiquing is hard work!
waldo A striking shot. You've done an excellent job of "shooting up" at a tall structure. Some perspective correction might have been applied. You've balanced the composition very well in avoiding that shooting up feeling and having the feeling of the subject being cut off.

AlanAll nice shots. I like the film effect with very strong contrasts.

harmExcellent pano!
Phil, Day 2. This shot feels (to me) like it's something that could have had promise yet falls short. Not sure why. It's a good street shot. The division of the frame is nice. The conversion is well done.
Day 1. Beautifully done.

Snegren, Day 3. The first one if my fav of your flower shots. Has a soft glow effect.
Dopol. 6. Could this be tightened to eliminate the right and left? Preference. 7 is wonderful.

Waldo: your outtakes are about as good as your submissions!
You have a good eye for B&W.

Joe A sign of the times. Not as uninteresting since they're masked and it captures the times we're living thru.

Robbie Well done in keeping the building bright. Very interesting architecture but busy surroundings. The treatment helps in keeping the attention on the building.

Snegren, you bokeh lover!
I like the calf pic very much. 2nd & 3rd ones are very well done to keep focus on the knot. One being bright and other being dark complement each other.

Joe I like this better in spite of the empty fg and some distracting elements since the building doesn't feel cut off.

Dopol The first one is my fav since it shows the waiting man and contrasts him against the bg.

Snegren I think I should call you the bokeh lover. It's interesting how you've focused on the bokeh (oxymoron?) so much in your pics. Your pursuit of lenses that give you this effect puts you into an interesting position of having a certain niche within the pursuit of photography. I greatly admire that.

Phil I tend to not like busy foliage in B&W pics but the geometry of the pic along with the tones is quite pleasing. Well seen, captured, and converted.

Joe, nice portraits of the HD!

Pegelli, nice shot of the single roses. Keeping them bright with a darkened rest of the pic naturally keeps my attention on the roses.

Dopol, there's something distressing about the "Stress subject" photo. Makes me think they're being marched to the slaughter.

Waldo

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I'm done commenting for this challenge.
A few final words.

I've improved my ability to see in B&W, thanks to the practice and critique I've offered.

Some pics feel like they were converted to B&W even though they might be better off in color. Not all pics are good candidates for the grayscale, obviously. I'm actually surprised that some of the senior members who regularly share good work turned in OK B&W pics. Not to belittle anyone's efforts, of course, but some B&W pics shouldn't have been so. IMHO. That's perhaps inevitable among about 300 pics.

The variety and styles presented is interesting. Helps me see things in a way that I wouldn't normally do. It's like having a conversation with an interesting and intelligent person who holds different views from myself but is cogent and has good reasons for their preferred view. Also a matter of preference and perspective. This has had an impact on my own way of looking at things.

A personal endorsement: I felt that Harm vb started off as a grayscale newbie. The chandelier pic thru the store window wans't, well, that well seen or captured or converted, IMHO.
He seems to have seen some of his earlier photos as not being good enough and has put in more effort in trying to improve and learn to see differently. He was quite candid about his disappointment but also showed a strong willingness to learn and improve and do better. The pic of the sieve and stairs give me this impression.
For this particular reason, IMHO, he's the winner of the challenge, even though this is more of a competition against oneself rather than against fellow members.
Well done, Harm vb! I wish you well in your future efforts as well.

In particular, I like Waldo's pics the best.
We're all equally good photographers, of course, but some are more equally good than others.

Until the next challenge!
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Originally posted by skm.sa100 skm.sa100 wrote:


A personal endorsement: I felt that Harm vb started off as a grayscale newbie. The chandelier pic thru the store window wans't, well, that well seen or captured or converted, IMHO.
He seems to have seen some of his earlier photos as not being good enough and has put in more effort in trying to improve and learn to see differently. He was quite candid about his disappointment but also showed a strong willingness to learn and improve and do better. The pic of the sieve and stairs give me this impression.
For this particular reason, IMHO, he's the winner of the challenge, even though this is more of a competition against oneself rather than against fellow members.
Well done, Harm vb! I wish you well in your future efforts as well.



You make me blush, Sashi. Thanks for your kind motivating and yet so true words.
Indeed, I was very disappointed in the start, but grabbed myself together and fought back with some graphical shots. Actually, they are more my cup of tea.

Thanks to everybody for their encouraging words.

And, in the end, I liked the challenge. But it wasn't easy.
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I am done too, but didn't finish as I had wanted.
Also, I haven't don any commenting yet . Apologies for that, and a big thank you to all who commented on my work.
As such I liked the BW challenge. It was a nice change to other challenges before. It brought us great and inspiring diversity from all participants with street, landscape, nature, architecture etc. Thanks all for that.
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