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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 April 2019 at 15:26
Ah, I see. That makes sense.

If you're using the A57 with the 35mm, guess you could try an A7 with the 50 f1.7 or f1.4 on an adapter.
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The 35 at f/1.4 is a very hard lens to get good shots with. Forget focusing and recomposing with the narrow depth of field and field curvature that lens has. I would recommend not moving it at all from the locked focus point when shooting at 1.4. Thats where the A99II with its expanded focus points really increases the ease of use with this lens. APS may have focus sensors closer to the edge then FF so that may help. Not familiar with the A57. I had the A55 but it didn't have many focus points if I remember right.
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Originally posted by roger2 roger2 wrote:

I have tried the DT 35/1.8 for the wider shots. The focal length works OK. But with that lens I have not been able to create any kind of soft look (even with filters) that is remotely similar to what the 50/1.7 can do.

I suggest trying the Sigma 30mm F1.4, at least the EX DC version.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote roger2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 April 2019 at 04:40
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a57 has 15 focus points. In both landscape and portrait orientation there are points on or near (inside) the 1/3 grid lines, also near (inside) the intersection of the grid lines. I use them. Not perfect, but workable I think. I have read the reviews and difficulty focusing wide open was mentioned several times. All I can do is give it a try and see if I can make it work. As mentioned, I am not looking for sharpness.


Would the Minolta-Sony 35/1.4 be any more tricky to focus at f1.4 than other 35/1.4 lenses by other manufacturers?

What kind of images do you shoot with your 35/1.4? What apertures? And what body?


Edited by roger2 - 12 April 2019 at 02:08
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Post Options Post Options   Quote roger2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 April 2019 at 04:53
Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

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I suggest trying the Sigma 30mm F1.4, at least the EX DC version.


Well, apologies to stiuskr for nixing discussion of the 35/2 earlier in this thread    As I had researched that lens already, and decided that 35/1.4 was better suited to my goals.

But I was not aware of this lens. The focal length and current used prices are attractive. Is there something about this Sigma that would make it suitable for (or capable of) soft focus imagery?

What about the SLT compatibility advisory issued by Sigma? That advisory was issued (I believe) before the a57 was made. Might this be an issue for my a57? https://www.dyxum.com/lenses/sigma_advisory.asp



Edited by roger2 - 12 April 2019 at 02:03
a57 | Sony DT 35/1.8 | Minolta 50/1.7, 28/2.8, 28-105/3.5-4.5, 28-75/2.8 D, 75-300/4.5-5.6 New
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 April 2019 at 05:17
Originally posted by roger2 roger2 wrote:

Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

Originally posted by roger2 roger2 wrote:

I have tried the DT 35/1.8 for the wider shots. The focal length works OK. But with that lens I have not been able to create any kind of soft look (even with filters) that is remotely similar to what the 50/1.7 can do.

I suggest trying the Sigma 30mm F1.4, at least the EX DC version.


Well, apologies to stiuskr for nixing discussion of the 35/2 earlier in this thread    As I had researched that lens already, and decided that 35/1.4 was better suited to my goals.

But I was not aware of this lens. The focal length and current used prices are attractive. Is there something about this Sigma that would make it suitable for (or capable of) soft focus imagery?

Yes, it has a similar look to the Minolta 50's that you like.

What about the SLT compatibility advisory issued by Sigma? That advisory was issued (I believe) before the a57 was made. Might this be an issue for my a57? https://www.dyxum.com/lenses/sigma_advisory.asp

It is not on that list. The two copies I tried focused fine.

The Sigma 28mm F1.8 EX DG is quite nice for portraits.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote roger2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 April 2019 at 05:44
@QuietOC

What about the other, newer, 30/1.4 Sigma. Does that have the same look as the EX? Have you tried that one?
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Originally posted by roger2 roger2 wrote:

@QuietOC

What about the other, newer, 30/1.4 Sigma. Does that have the same look as the EX? Have you tried that one?

I haven't tried the Art lens.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote roger2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 April 2019 at 17:23
OK thanks QuietOC.

Edited by roger2 - 10 April 2019 at 17:26
a57 | Sony DT 35/1.8 | Minolta 50/1.7, 28/2.8, 28-105/3.5-4.5, 28-75/2.8 D, 75-300/4.5-5.6 New
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a57 has 15 focus points. In both landscape and portrait orientation there are points on or near the 1/3 grid lines, also near the intersection of the grid lines. I use them. Not perfect, but workable I think. I have read the reviews and difficulty focusing wide open was mentioned several times. All I can do is give it a try and see if I can make it work. As mentioned, I am not looking for sharpness.


Would the Minolta-Sony 35/1.4 be any more tricky to focus at f1.4 than other 35/1.4 lenses by other manufacturers?

What kind of images do you shoot with your 35/1.4? What apertures? And what body?


The same 15 focusing points as my old A55. Well APS will get you you closer to the edges then full frame so that may help with composing a shot for a portrait at 1.4.

I don't think any 35mm 1.4 lens would be too different from one another when it comes to focusing, but I can only speculate.

My purpose for getting the 35/1.4 was for two reasons. Indoor natural light and outdoor natural light portraits where I use more background than a conventional portrait shot.

I post a sample image.

Seems your decision has been made. Have fun with it.

Edited by stiuskr - 11 April 2019 at 20:36
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Post Options Post Options   Quote roger2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 April 2019 at 20:45
Thanks lomitamike

Yes my decision is pretty much made on a 35/1.4, has been for a couple years. Just have been waiting for the right time, which might not be right now actually, as I believe spring fever may be hitting.

I will wait to find a nice copy at a reasonable price. And I am strongly leaning towards the Sony version based on Photosopher's posts. But the right lens/price in any of the three versions is my target. If I happen to come across a good deal on one of the 30/1.4 Sigmas recommended by QuietOC, I may try that as well.

I would guess that, all other variables being equal, that any f/1.4 lenses would have the same DOF...but I certainly don't know that to be a fact.

Sure, I would love to see samples from your 35/1.4! If you post them in another area of Dyxum please let me know. I have looked at all of the currently posted samples (linked from the specs pages for each lens) and there are not all that many images of people, portraits, etc. And many of the samples are at apertures other than 1.4

Edited by roger2 - 12 April 2019 at 01:16
a57 | Sony DT 35/1.8 | Minolta 50/1.7, 28/2.8, 28-105/3.5-4.5, 28-75/2.8 D, 75-300/4.5-5.6 New
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A900, A850, A6000, Canon S95, SAL 70-400, 70-200, 35/1.4, 50/1.4. KM 85D, 28-75D, 17-35D,100macroD. Mino 28/2, 35-70. Rok14/2.8. Many flashes, Phottix Odin. E16-50, 18-200LE, 50/1.8, Rokfish 8mm
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Post Options Post Options   Quote roger2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 April 2019 at 01:13
Very nice lomitamike. Beautiful images...thank you for posting them
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I think you are missing one suggestion, so allow me to make it...

Softeness rather than sharpness is an uncommon desire. Maybe you could have the best of both worlds, If you bought the sharpest lens and paired it with the appropriate filter.

If you havenít learned about the Minolta Portrayer filters, I suggest reading. They are most commonly available in 55mm and 72mm. 77mm and square are said to exist, but are exceedingly rare. They are available in two versions, type-P and type-S. P is a quite unique set of three filters which vary in intensity of effect, that would seemingly be tailor made to your shooting. The sole purpose is to smooth and soften the tone of human skin, while retaining overall sharpness. The S set consists of two filters, one stronger than the other. These are softening filters, with the same general concept as any soft effect filter ever made. The difference being that the Minolta Portrayer soft filters retain overall sharpness and contrast in such a way as to not look washed out, like a cheap filter does.

These sets are very well made, with a quality feel and a nice storage box. Prices have come way down recently. $200 was the standard price for years, as sellers could get that kind of money for these ďrareĒ sets. But reality has set in. They are not common, but also not quite what I would call rare. There seem to be more for sale on the used market in the last few years than Iíve ever seen, thus prices have dropped. You shouldnít have to pay more than $100 per set.

Michelb has quite abit of experience with these (and every other Minolta Maxxum era item ever produced) and I know he has test shots with them because Iíve seen them. Heís usually quick to help members here. My own experience with the Portrayers has turned in good results, but I am not experienced enough with them to stand in Michelbís way. The 55mm would fit the A-mount 35ís.   Itís worth looking into.

As for the 35mm lenses, I personally am looking to buy the second genration f2.   In the 1.4ís I personally would look at the second generation Minolta. Those G lenses have such a regal look and quality build (The 28-70, 85, 35, 17-35). But I am notoriously Minolta eccentric to the point of being a collector. I donít own any Sony lenses, nor an A99ii, so I canít comment on that. What I can say is that the optics of the Minolta G should not disappoint. Your question is if you want the Sony for what it brings to the table compared to its older counterparts, such as ADI flash metering and focusing with the A99ii. All this being said, it wouldnít surprise me if the Sigma Art lens is the sharpest and overall best performing you can buy. Their new line of lenses is wonderful.

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