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    Posted: 18 June 2020 at 13:06
As anyone who shot week50mm or Oktoberfest (31 days with just one prime, any prime) waaaay back in, uh, dunno, when was it 2007 (2006?) will know - these are about limitation as much as exploration. And after a month you really do get to 'think' your lenses field of view. And then end up concentrating your efforts on subject choice and composition.

Quite amazing to see the number of one-day prime days on your calender too. I missed day 14, 20, and 25 (and also day 16 and 35) in my current system/s.

Since those days, since before those days, and even now I think I am still longing to find 'my perfect prime'. Focal length and actual glass sandwich.
Now, I understand that to some photographers this is just plain stupid (especially if someone is a family photographer and a wildlife photographer and also a landscaper since those require a different toolbox). I quit wildlife photography back in 2009-ish and since then lived in the 24-100 zone.

But I've had a long term desire to shoot with just one lens. And not for a day or a month. Ideally for a year. Just one focal length. To me this is the ultimate challenge.

Now, there will be brave souls who've grabbed a 300mm or a fisheye for the one day or one month challenges (and those are about completing a day or 30/31 days with one optic and perhaps using another lens for non-project shoots). I'm looking to be much more limited and not even own anything else.

The obvious choice would be to land on a prime somewhere in the 28/35/50mm zone. Some might consider a 24mm. And of course in some systems there are the 'perfect' 40/41mm options too (the diagonal of a frame of 35mm 36x24 film).

Next post is my thoughts on what I'm considering starting ...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dCap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 June 2020 at 14:05
... to find that lens.

I currently have two bodies in two systems:
APS Fujifilm X-E3 (touch, disabled), amazing joystick, fixed screen, EVF, no IBIS
m43 Panasonic GX9, touch, flippy, IBIS, even has flip up EVF
These are very similar cameras, very similar to the NEX/a6x00 series in shape.
Oddly the larger sensor Fuji is smaller and lighter.

This is what I regard as the affordable and right-sized zone of lenses:
Fuji - 18/2 - 23/2 - 27/2.8 - 35/1.4 - 35/2
Pan - 14/2.5 - 15/1.7 - 20/1.7 - 25/1.4 - 25/1.7
These are also all quite small, from proper pancake to just medium-sized-little.
I already have the bold lenses.

For some reason I've not gelled with the fujifilm system, perhaps needs more time. And have always wanted to try the 18/2. Cannot seem to part with the fuji system without trying the 18/2.

reference 35mm equivalent
Fuji - 28, 35, 41, 54/54
Pan - 28/30, 40, 50/50

project
I am considering shooting with all of these primes.
Each one on it's own for 3 months before then selling it and moving on.
It would give me time to source the next optic on the used eBay market.
RX100 IV would be in my pocket for non-photo-shoot walks.

This would take 30 months to complete. 3 months with each. I'd probably start Pan 14mm, then Fuji 18mm ... then jump to Pan 25mm and Fuji 35mm. So I'd be spending 6 months at [28]mm then 6 months at [50]mm. Then find a fuji 27 and do the 40/41mm pair.

I could combine them and shoot both 28s at the same time. My bag fits the two bodies with a small lens on each. But I'd be taking too many comparison shots. I'd rather just have the one camera and live it.

24mm
I very much doubt that I could cope with life at fixed 24mm. It also rules out some expensive glass (pan 12/1.4 - oly12/2 - fuj 16/1.4)

Would love to hear thoughts?

I do enjoy the search for a decent used lens (apparently). And I know if I don't try something like this, even on a smaller scale, then I'll forever continue to want to shoot with just one camera/lens. I'm already enjoying my pocket compact camera as a bonus walkabout non-phone snapshooter. And I'd consider it as a bonus bolt-on that doesn't interfere with the 3 months project.
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I would also start and align to each calender quarter ... which fits well with me wanting to start a photo project on 01-Jul.

Q3 = Jul/Aug/Sep would be three months commitment to the Pan 14/2.5
(find a Fuji 18/2 in Sep)

Q4 = Oct/Nov/Dec ... wake the X-E3 up and switch to the 18/2
(Oct, sell the Pan 14/2.5)

buying/selling lenses used is like free-rental

This gives me a better feel for whether the fuji system really is for me. Since I am familar with m43 and would spend three months locked to [28]mm - the only change would be the camera/dials. I know fujifilm is a loved system and I know I love manual controls, but cannot understand why I've not enjoyed using it?!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 June 2020 at 15:15
Interesting challenge, we've "extended" the prime month rules for April Foolishness and Oktoberfest such that people can shoot two different primes, allthough some people still stick to just one for the month. Doing it with one focal length for 3 month certainly takes a lot of dedication.

Who is your intended audience and where (if at all) do you plan to post your daily images?

Once you found your ideal focal length and can stick to that maybe a fixed lens camera is your thing. The Ricoh GRIII is supposed to be very good (28 mm FF FOV) and so are the Fuji X100V and Sony RX1Rii (35 mm FF FOV). And then you will still have your RX100 for the few cases you need something else than your fixed focal length. Just a thought, I love suggesting other people to spend money
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 June 2020 at 15:42
My first challenge was April Foolishness 2015 with my first prime lens the Sony DT 35mm F1.8 SAM. I feel like I learned a lot using that lens nearly everyday for a month. I spent some time deciding to buy that lens because it was pretty expensive for me at the time--$220. The DT 30mm F2.8 Macro SAM was considered and probably a 50mm or two. I am sure I got advice here. I ordered it at the local camera store where I had purchased my Sony A58 a month or so earlier, but they couldn't find a copy at their distributor. So I ended up buying a used copy from Amazon Marketplace. It was the first lens I wrote a review for in the database here.

There is a lot going for a bright "normal" lens, especially if it can focus fairly close too. Other angles-of-view tend to be more challenging, but most people are used to around 75 degrees wide too.

This last April I chose the AF 500mm F8, which may have been too much of a challenge. I used the 6.5mm F2 for Octoberfest 2017.

Edited by QuietOC - 18 June 2020 at 16:09
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thank you for the input

AUDIENCE (?) - REALLY good question. And I don't have an answer. Primarily me. I've always regarded my photography as a personal pursuit. But cannot forget the extreme fun I had shooting a 365 (366, which ended on day 500) in a community. I joined flickr and had zero contacts the day I started my 366. I was actually just looking for an easy place to put a portfolio - the rewards and experience were totally unexpected. Shooting a 365 with others also doing the same (like the dyxum challenges) was exteremly helpful. Like being in a club. We even had 'optional' bolt-on one-day challenges through the project too.

Going solo is even more extreme ... but I have a 365 in the bag, like a Marathon runner on their 2nd race. My flickr 366 resides on flickr only at the moment but will get to go to a proper website one day.

POSTING (?) - my 366 I posted most photos same day. So this was a big effort to shoot, edit, post. And juggle life. I have more time now. But I might change this and just post one gallery of 7 images every Sunday. Still shoot every day and select just one photo. Ideally to a home-made website.

Also with my current limited walking range (2 main routes) I am still finding lots of things to shoot ... but it might end up as more of a blog (daily) than a photo project (purist, arty, bokeh stuff)?

INSTA - or I could use the 365 to get started properly on instagram and dedicate an account to just my 365 ... but I would want to post every day. One image. No rejects. It would be a look to see if there is a #365project community?

I am able to think through to day 300 and see what I want to look back on (it won't be what I think, but I like a project).

I might even treat it as a 365 with the RX100 IV (walks with no bag) and switch over to the GX9 + 14mm for dedicated photo days a couple of times a week? Perhaps set a 3 days per week rule to go with my prime. For three months. My GX9/X-E3 and that list of lenses are all small/portable.

In reality I am still reluctant to go far and not prepared to properly travel so I could start a 365x Jul/Aug/Sept with just my compact and then start getting on buses and trains and boats in October for days out. I've travelled on foot and no other means since end of Feb. I could equally park the GX9 + 14mm quarterly idea until then (Q4). Use Q3 to learn my RX100.

I am technically on day 100-something already of a 365. Started shooting daily 'with my phone' on 01-March, not intentional but lock-down related. And also day 4 of my RX100 IV. But I'd happily skip a day and start afresh. None of those are online (or even edited, all SOOC, not even cropped!).

I do need to resolve the AUDIENCE/POSTING thoughts perhaps before starting. Purist can do this solo. But having a community to play along with is also nice. I could even keep an eye on the challenges and knowledge base here and work through some of them.

CAMERAS - I love the idea of the GR and X100 (even considered getting/keeping both) ... I had the fujifilm X100F for a month but while it is almost the same as the X-E3 (I kept) the differences bugged me, the glorious OVF/finder is no use for a 'critical framer' like me. So no matter how hard I tried I switched it to EVF for almost every shot [so I kept my X-E3]. And the lens on the X100 v1-4 is very poor close-up. Finally they put a decent lens on the new X100V but at a high price.

CAMERAS II - I am equally tempted to just junk all my Fuji/Pan gear into eBay (£2k ish?) and shoot 3 months with my RX100 IV, then switch to a used VI (24-200), then a Canon G7X II (touch), then maybe a GRII, then maybe back to the Fuji X100 (F?) ... and just have one camera/lens (be it zoom/prime) but with no system. Just float between compacts and try them all out using eBay as my shelf of camera gear. Maybe even RX10 II or III. Leica all in one and RX1 are a little out of reach.

I love the idea of one prime though ... hence the starter for week50mm and Oktoberfest. I just don't know what my lens is 28/35/50? The 28/50/40 challenge at the top of this thread would resolve that.

I'm kinda lost at the mo - shooting daily - needing a firm project. Love camera gear! Love the hunt for a nice thing on eBay too! So, keeping X-E3 and trying a few of the primes out fits well. One a month might not be long enough to live it and understand each lens (hence the 3 months per lens option).

Sorry - long post. Hunting for a new photo direction. Have even considered a used Nikon D700 + 50/1.2 AIS. I tend not to buy used bodies though (compact aside).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dCap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 June 2020 at 11:36
Resolved during a compact-only late night walk last night
Followed by a cool glass of German white wine and some popadoms!
I need a 365 more than I realised

PROJECT (mini-not-so-mini-365-esq-type-thing)
Q3-2020 - with a Fujinon 18mm f2 [28-ish]
Q4-2020 - with a Fujinon 35mm f1.4 [50-ish]

These two lenses are the ones I intended to get when I went to fujifilm (and don't yet own). I still need to resolve my desire to take on the original 18/2 and 35/1.4. So, I've just removed an 18/2 from the eBay shelves of goodies. Will hunt down a deal on a 35/1.4 in September ready to switch on 01-Oct.

The fujifilm system makes so much sense for me but I struggled to convert. The AF joystick is amazing! I actually have touch switched off on my X-E3. I am very very very very tempted to go manual exposure. I'm already manual f stop and manual ISO (auto Tv) ... manual Tv is the logical next step. But I'd stay AF because it is a modern world really.

my rules:
- shoot one photo per day
- square
- two back-to-back three-month single prime fests
- optional switch to the Sony RX100 IV any day I want to
- publish (one a day) to a new 365. Instagram and/or maybe a website
- delete all* except the ONE daily keeper

possible
- each Sunday select the best shot of the week (website only)
- possibly publish 3-5 rejects* once a week and say why (website only)

** would keep small website size jpgs of the reject for blog posting but delete the RAWs/DNGs/TIFFs.

Might also add some side projects (500x Fiat 500s, Colors, Fugly Cars, C0vid signs) ... but not for the 365/instagram feed, that would be website only.

2021
Either keep the 18/2 and 35/1.4. Or switch to 14/2.8 [21] and one of the 23mm [35]. But go to all shots in widescreen for the year! They won't fit properly on the gram but hey.

Thank you both for the input.
It was also a useful exercise for me to put these thoughts down.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote onsplekkie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 June 2020 at 11:49
In 2012/13/14 did 2,5 years with one (apsc) camera and a 24mm (36mm eqv on ff) prime. No more, no less. Probably my steepest learning curve in photography, very rewarding.

I still love keeping just the one prime on as long as a few months at a time. 2 camera setup now, so still choice


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Interesting. Good luck. I will get easier challenges Almost decided
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dCap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 June 2020 at 21:21
Originally posted by onsplekkie onsplekkie wrote:

In 2012/13/14 did 2,5 years with one (apsc) camera and a 24mm (36mm eqv on ff) prime. No more, no less. Probably my steepest learning curve in photography, very rewarding.

I still love keeping just the one prime on as long as a few months at a time. 2 camera setup now, so still choice


Good luck on your personal challenge


Wow - that is some achievement ... wonder if it started out as a 365 (which you forgot to stop)?

I know I had to force myself to not shoot on my Day 501 of 366. Day 367 just kinda happened naturally. I think I tripped into a once a week thing after but didn't keep it up for the rest of that year. I'd exhausted my mojo.

Also a big fan of two camera two lenses. I did that often in my wildlife days (300mm and macro) but also when wandering the streets with two short primes.
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Interesting. Good luck. I will get easier challenges Almost decided


I'm sort of on Day 6 of a new one (possibly) - I've been all square already for 6 days and have images in mind to select. Nothing edited.

And also probably Day 100 of my pic-a-day (with my phone) - but that rubbish doesn't really count.

I should not shoot one day (soon) to break this so I can re-boot on 01-Jul?!

I could technically just roll my current Day 6 of my RX100 into this as I did at least start on a Monday and it was the day my new camera arrived (which I bought on eBay on my birthday) ... so even though it doesn't have a specific start date it is kinda memorable. Could just wait until 01-Jul to take the fujinon 18/2 [28] out.

My 366 was 01-Jan starter. But I know people who started on their birthday. If I let myself start on this random date perhaps that is a good thing! It is random topic afterall.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote dCap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 June 2020 at 15:27
a shiny new tool [toy] arrived today ready to helps me along with this new project [with a minor change in direction and date] - the RX100 IV will retain it's place as the pocket camera for the non-bag days too

just need to go remind myself how to upload an image in here ...
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