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    Posted: 14 January 2019 at 07:58
Pima Air & Space Museum
1st let me explain Pima Air & Space Museum is a privately funded NGO (Non Governmental Organization) but Pima is the county in Arizona the museum is in
Today, is considered one of the best NGO air museums in the world and it is spectacular in my opinion! It is known for the Boneyard Tour which is connected w the museum but not really. The museum is a customer friendly entity. The Boneyard tour is on a tense active Air Force Base as all military bases are in this era of terrorism. The only connection between the 2 I noticed was the bus to go on the tour left from the museum to the Air Base

If you traveled here, say from Denmark just to see the Boneyard you would be mightily disappointed. If you were a veteran like me and just wanted to pay your respects and be in the company of the aircrafts that helped keep America free, I was fine.

I have 155 total photos in 5 separate albums. One album w the whole 155 photos and 4 others the photos are separated into their different categories

Here are 2 reasons I consider this museum a treasure. 2 very famous and rare bombers. I call them the "Inglorious Bombers". Planes that didn't really work, like many of the planes that were just feeling their way around in the world, but must have really scared the Hell out of the enemy. For a museum to have one of each is very special.

The B36 Peacemaker and the B58 Hustler. Interestingly both built by Convair Aircraft


B36 Peacemaker





B58 Hustler



Here are the albums:

Morning shoot w the Zeiss 16-70

Afternoon shoot w the Rokinon Ultra Wide

indoor hanger photos w the ultra Wide

the boneyard

the complete 155 photos album

The museum started w 1 B24 Liberator they found in India. Today has an amazing 350 diverse aircraft
Lovingly presented and superbly cared for. I recommend this museum to all

thanks for viewing _________Coast
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Lovely set - great to see so many of these planes out in the open.

Compositions are great, but some of the Rokinon shots have a softness to them - was that intentional or is it a feature of the lens?
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Great job bringing some of these old planes back to the forefront. Having been affiliated with the navy for 18 of my earlier years one of the things I loved best was seeing and hearing our war birds in flight. Still love it to this day. Anyways tfs
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@Coast,
Great images in your collections. The two that you've posted here are especially striking, and the Peacemaker is a really interesting piece of avionic design in its body to wingspan ratio as well as the backward facing propellers.
I really think you should add a wider selection from your Flickr site, as I'm sure the wider Dyxum membership would like to see them posted here.
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Originally posted by Bob J Bob J wrote:

Lovely set - great to see so many of these planes out in the open.

Compositions are great, but some of the Rokinon shots have a softness to them - was that intentional or is it a feature of the lens?

Thanks for the kind words; about your quote:
One situation that happened, when I 1st looked at a photo I noticed part of the photo that was more interesting than the subject I was photographing. So I pulled that part out of the photo, via a croping. That happened surprisingly a few times.
The lens in my opinion is very sharp, as in the indoor hangar photos. (There were 4 large hangars full of aircraft, top to bottom). The 12mm was very useful and was able to capture as much as possible of the planes. The f.2 was very useful indoors also.
I'm not sure what happened w the softness other than outdoors it was very hot, 100*f or close to it in the afternoon. Maybe it affected me.

It was great being so up close to those aircraft, many of them individually famous in there own right, which I will be writing about. Like one of those triple tailed Constelations was "Columbine" President Eisenhower's "Air Force One"

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Originally posted by C_N_RED_AGAIN C_N_RED_AGAIN wrote:

Great job bringing some of these old planes back to the forefront. Having been affiliated with the navy for 18 of my earlier years one of the things I loved best was seeing and hearing our war birds in flight. Still love it to this day. Anyways tfs

Hi Chris, thanks
So you are also familiar w the military life. Yeah, once its embedded its hard to forget. If you go to one of these places that part of your life has a way of emerging, in a good way
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Originally posted by Jozioau Jozioau wrote:

@Coast,
Great images in your collections. The two that you've posted here are especially striking, and the Peacemaker is a really interesting piece of avionic design in its body to wingspan ratio as well as the backward facing propellers.
I really think you should add a wider selection from your Flickr site, as I'm sure the wider Dyxum membership would like to see them posted here.
TFS.

Thanks Joe, from 1 Joe to another for the kind words
Yes in a 350 plane collection there are quite a few interesting aircraft. Now maybe you can help me w this. You think it would be a good idea to post certain planes from my albums? Like Neil has done w his Utah trip?
I could do that happily and tell the story of that specific plane, as I know it, or at least that model. I have posted the albums of my trips previously because invariably photos that I choose aren't the interesting ones to people and of course, visa-verse. I'll try

Starting w the Peacemaker. 1st it is so rare there are only 4 left in the world. 3 bombers and 1 recon. It is referred to as "6 turnin, 4 burnin". It was designed to deliver a thermo nuclear weapon on Germany, during the war. America's forward air base, England was no longer available, so a plane would have to fly from the US to Germany and back. Early nucks were very heavy and very large. The plane would have to do it without midair refueling because it hadn't been perfected yet. The plane was basically a large flying fuel tank w enough power to haul all the fuel and weapon, hence, 6 turnin (propellers) 4 burnin (jet engines) 10 engines total , I believe there was a flight engineer to keep them all in sync.

A major studio made a movie starring Jimmy Stewart as a B36 pilot (he was a real bomber pilot during the war) called "The Strategic Air Command". It has scenes w the Peacemaker soaring off in the Wild Blue Yonder w the appropriate music accompaniment. Very Very impressive, these big things!

It flew too late for the war and became the major deterrent in the early part of the Cold War. I would have been deterred seeing a flight of these overhead coming my way.
Spent much of its short life in Alaska, flying long 22 hour, plus or minus missions towards the Soviet Union, coming back to Anchorage, exhausted trying to land these big birds in foul weather, usually on snow and ice.
These men were the Real Heros'!

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Joseph,
Thanks for your reply to my suggestion. What an amazing piece of aviation history and design. Knowing nothing about the aeronautical science, I just wonder what advantage you get by having the propellers facing backwards? But hey, I'm a retired architect!
From what I saw in your Flickr albums, there's certainly more of interest there to Dyxum members, but being primarily a photo enthusiasts site, probably best stick to those images that are most photogenic in your opinion.
Perhaps they might best be posted into the Aircraft and airports thread in Themed Views as you did with your other recent posts on this subject?


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Hi Joe;
Some good advice. I will continue to post there. Since all the photos would be too much, I'll give the real airplane nuts like me the ability to go thru all the photos and pick out whatever their favorite are, by posting the whole album

I think I will still come back here and write about the ones that have a special story
Right now I feel obligated to complete the Boneyard tour story

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1st thing is the tour in my opinion is about the bases security, not great for those who came to see the planes
You have to fill out a security form w your tour application 2 weeks prior to your desired tour date
The tour leaves from the museum in a bus onto the Air Force Base, only about a 20 min trip. A regular big air conditioned tour bus (thank goodness, it gets hot)

I have to comment: there were 36 people on the bus and surprisingly, I was the only veteran on it. I thought I'd be telling war stories w all the other vets and it was just me. All were regular folk, some international, some from the local area. I thought it was great; people taking interest.

The bus went on the base and into a shed where we all disembarked and went thru a security check. We were cleared, got back on the bus drove out of the shed and were told now we couldn't get off the bus. The tour was basically going up 1 lane w a few planes strategically placed and then back. Thats why so few boneyard pics and those were from inside the moving bus (good luck w that). All I got was an idea of what I wasn't seeing

One thing I did notice was rows and rows, hundreds of F16's which is a surprise because new F16's are still being built today. The guide told us many were Turkish? The guide, or dosun was friendly
I think just staying in the museum would be a better use of your time and probably get more out of it.
Anyway that's my 2 cents


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Another great things about this place, but, sadly obviously becoming more difficult to maintain is/was that when I visited about 8 years go, the docents for the WWII plans inside the buildings had actually flown the plane during WWII that they would tell you about.
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Hello Roger, thanks
My main goal at the museum was to see and photograph as many aircraft as possible, although the heat outdoors in the afternoon was stifling, near 100. Basically I was just running around taking pictures. I did see and and talk w some of the docents, some of whom looked old enough to have flown in them.
I thanked them for what they were doing. I believe most were volunteers. Having been in, I already knew a lot of the planes but I sure would have liked to hear each of their stories

One interesting note; the guide who did the bus tour never served, he was just an enthusiast.

I did a search on your photos for your pics of the Pima, Zenfolio also. All I got was the red flag here at Dyxum I sure would like view any you had posted

If you care to share pls post the link_____

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Phantastic location and lots of fascinating images, Josef!

The story of the B36 is quite thrilling - I now have learnt about the German Amerikabomber program. Fortunately the Portuguese leased the Azores' airstrip to the British. But this definitely reminds me to view the the most recent season of "The Man in the High-Castle".

And I didn't expect that foreigners are allowed to visit a US Air Base.

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I should discuss the 2nd plane: Convair B58 Hustler
I don't think I can call the plane anything other than a beautiful, impressive, Bad plane
I think this sums it up succinctly, it required 10 hours of maintenance for every flying hour
almost everything was wrong w it, but when it all worked right it set numerous world speed records and it was the 1st supersonic nuclear bomber. Mach 2
It was difficult to fly and about a quarter of the fleet was lost in accidents, over 100 were produced. Today there are 8 survivors.

I think the most obvious problem is the big "belly pod" it had to carry around, Clearly subtracting from its performance. Unbelievably it carried fuel and the nuclear weapon. It resulted in a complex, unwieldy front nose gear. I could go on and on but I'll end it w Gen. Curtiss LeMay, Commander Strategic Air Command finally flew the plane and said to immediately pull the plane out of service and retire it! New Years 1970 it was Out of Service

There's a reason some planes have a short life span and some like the B52, commissioned around the same time are still flying today and are closing in on a historic 100 year in service life! Pima here has 2 historic B52's I should Highlight and discuss at sometime.

to add a little color here are 2 pictures I took while I was still in service from the flightline of an active duty, still in service B58 Hustler in 1969. Like I said a very impressive looking plane, especially for the times. Taken in Sacramento California




Strategic Air Command B 58 Hustler





You may have noticed I'm a sucker for "head on" shots tfv__________Coast

Edited by Coast - 23 January 2019 at 01:27
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That head-on shot of the B58 is very informative. Even to the untrained eye it looks rather unwieldy despite its streamlined aerodynamics and obvious jet power.
Thanks for the historical background, and of course the images.
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