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Originally posted by cezarL cezarL wrote:

Originally posted by Kiklop Kiklop wrote:

   It may be just too much to see 3 cameras released at the exact same time :)



Whoooa there! What do you mean, THREE cameras at the same time? A200 is out of the question, since it's already released, so... A900, A-LV and... what? :)


Well he said we would have a 5 DSLR line up this year. A700 and A200 are here. A900 and this LV camera are being discussed - is he not just saying that we shouldnt expect those two AND the other one ALL at once? (though he did say we may not have the A900 at PMA also. So maybe jsut the two 'in the middle' models?)
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Hey Ozoger - welcome aboard.

Anything is possible, its all just a matter of whether its worth it. There are a couple of really compelling reasons for trying an EVF, one of which is being able to do away with the whole flapping mirror and mirror/prism thing. These are generally pretty reliable mind you and do their jobs very well but ultimately they place physical limitations on size, weight and speed of the camera system. Therefore while it could be possible to retain the OVF and inject an EVF image into the mirror/prism you are giving up a lot of potential opportunities.

In the long run I suspect that there will be two lines of high end camera, OVF and EVF. OVF for those people who just wont change or have specific requirements. EVF for everyone else.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kiklop Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2008 at 20:21
Originally posted by ricardovaste ricardovaste wrote:


Well he said we would have a 5 DSLR line up this year.

Oh .. someone is actually reading my hints :)
Originally posted by ricardovaste ricardovaste wrote:

A700 and A200 are here.

I can confirm this these two aren't a matter of discussions here
Originally posted by ricardovaste ricardovaste wrote:

though he did say we may not have the A900 at PMA also

Yep .. i'm not sure about that one .. so when a900 and PMA are concerned i can only make speculations as any of you can .. we'll see
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So maybe jsut the two 'in the middle' models?

I always considered weird reading my own thoughts formulated by others ;)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote cezarL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2008 at 20:45
Originally posted by Kiklop Kiklop wrote:

Originally posted by ricardovaste ricardovaste wrote:


Well he said we would have a 5 DSLR line up this year.

Oh .. someone is actually reading my hints :)


More than one do, that's for sure, but I wonder how many did expect all 4 models (excluding A700) to come in a one month time-frame :) I thought the fifth camera of the system would come at PhotoKina.

Originally posted by Kiklop Kiklop wrote:

    
Originally posted by ricardovaste ricardovaste wrote:


So maybe jsut the two 'in the middle' models?

I always considered weird reading my own thoughts formulated by others ;)

Ufff... it's going to be a loooong wait until the end of this month :)
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Do remember that Sony needs a lower end model too. I don't think the A200 is it, and if they aren't going to slash the prices of the a100, they need something to compete with the cheapest cameras. The a200 is $700, but the Nikon D40 is sub-$500, and that has to be a pretty big chunk of the market.

Nice to see Sony really coming out swinging.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote cezarL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2008 at 23:17
Hmmm... What was the price of the D40x when it was launched?

PS- I tried editing the picture of the A-LV back panel, with an additional layer of the A200 back-panel. I've tried to make the buttons and control dial the same size, and to me it looks that in this situation (same size in buttons), the A-LV is wider and has a bigger LCD.
However, my PP skills aren't that good, so I can't be 100% sure, but if anyone cares to give it a try like that and then post the images overlapping in a GIF, we could keep on ranting :)
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Magnus, the D40 is a mature product so until it goes into runnout (probably in about 6 months I guess) its price will be pretty solid. At the big retailers Bestbuy/Walmart/CircuitCity its priced between $520 and $550.

Presuming the A200 drops about $100 off MSRP when it hits these big box stores then it will be sitting in a bright orange box with features that put it in the shade for just 50-80 bucks more. Have it mounted on a display connected to a Sony Bravia playing a slideshow in HD and I suspect you wont be able to stop people buying them.   
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Post Options Post Options   Quote cezarL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2008 at 23:35
Oh sorry, I misread your post, I thought you said D40x ($720 body only at launch).
I find it hard to believe Nikon will bring an upgrade to D40, IMO D40x and A200 will be the "entry-points" to DSLRs from now on.
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Originally posted by Magnus Wedberg Magnus Wedberg wrote:

Do remember that Sony needs a lower end model too.
...

Right.
So we will see a Sony A50 then?

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Originally posted by Swede101 Swede101 wrote:


Originally posted by Magnus Wedberg Magnus Wedberg wrote:

Do remember that Sony needs a lower end model too.
...

Right.
So we will see a Sony A50 then?



Im lost and confused on what Kiklop said.
I originally thought he said that there would be ONE model below the A200 and ONE model inbetween the A200 and A700. And then the A900 of course. That makes the FIVE that he said there would be.

But others on here seem to think there are a couple of models between the A200 and A700 coming soon. There certainly IS room between them, we can all see that. But im confused about what is currently TBA - one below A200 or two above A200 (below A700)... (and then the A900 of course)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Shaocaholica Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2008 at 00:02
Originally posted by ricardovaste ricardovaste wrote:


Im lost and confused on what Kiklop said.
I originally thought he said that there would be ONE model below the A200 and ONE model inbetween the A200 and A700.


Where did he say this? Link?
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I can't resist increasing this confusion...

Just remembered that Sony sofar carefully have avoided to use the expression "pro" model. So there is also a logical possibillity of that we will se the following:

A200
A??0
A700
A900
A1100 Or whatever :-)

The probabillity in practice for a launch of two higher end models during the same year would have to be regarded as rather minuscle, though...

Perhaps I better comfort all by now very confused by saying that my scheme above slightly deviates from de logic that kan be deduced from Kiklops hints. :-)



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I think it all comes down to what will this A-LV model bring.
Kiklop did say it will have "a bit more" than just LiveView, over the A200. It all depends what "a bit" means.

A200 already has improved AF over the A100 (close to the A700, maybe?) so I don't think that needs more improvement on a "middle" model. High ISO performance is dependent of the sensor used. I think it's safe to say the A-LV won't have the 10mp CCD, but a 12mp CMOS. If it's the same used in A700, then we should also get it's improved ISO performance. On top of that, a bigger viewfinder should qualify this A-LV as THE middle model.
Which... leaves room for a lower-spec A50 or something like that.


However...all these assumptions go down the drain when you think about the speculated body names: A200, A300, A350, or A200Ultra :)
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I always thought the "bit more" than liveview meant higher fps, and perhaps video. If they can get AF to work from the liveview reasonably well, I see no reason why they cant get incredibly high fps with an electronic shutter. The image quality might not be perfect, but it might be the "getting it right" that sony was referring to?
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