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Post Options Post Options   Quote beline Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 January 2008 at 20:40
Originally posted by mrwizard93 mrwizard93 wrote:

So Kiklop does your mean no A900 at the PMAs ... or that you know the A900 has some noise issues that need to be worked out??????


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Kiklop wasn't saying anything about the A900, just that their experience with noise issues will be valuable knowledge for the A900.

If it has been established that Kiklop knows something, I must have missed it, and if he does, from the phrasing of that post, and what I have not found on th image servers, I would say the A900 is still in development, not to be released at PMA.

"sony will have some experiences in noise reduction that may after all be useful knowledge for a900 .. they will need this kind of experience"

"will," "may," "will." (my emphasis) If it's been established that Kiklop knows something he can't tell us, I think he has. These are future tense, and not immediate future tense. "they will need this kind of experience" when developing the A900. Is what I heard. If the A900 were already developed, it would have read more like "sony has some experiences in noise reduction that provided useful knowledge for a900."

That, with missing images, leads me to believe no A900 for PMA.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote m.b. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 January 2008 at 20:41
we can't say, if A350 will have better AF or noise than D80/K20.. but I guess it very likely will have much smaller viewfinder :(
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Winwalloe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 January 2008 at 20:43
Sony does seem to take its chance to get its 10% market share.

LV in more bodies, with an option for more MP etc... people should see an alternative for several canikon entry level bodies.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote cezarL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 January 2008 at 20:46
Originally posted by m.b. m.b. wrote:

we can't say, if A350 will have better AF or noise than D80/K20.. but I guess it very likely will have much smaller viewfinder :(


If LV is better implemented than what the other manufacturers are offering right now, that might not be such a big issue. I'm generally satisfied with my A100 VF, except for those situations when I HAVE to use manual focusing. If Sony's LV will give a good MF capability, then I can live with the current viewfinder...

But I would love to get A700 DRO and also A700 JPEG colors, to get rid of processing RAW all the time (as it is the case now, with A100).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote DutchAlpha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 January 2008 at 20:46
Originally posted by beline beline wrote:


...it has been established that Kiklop knows something


Then let's kidnap Kiklop and tickle him under his feet for as long as needed until he finally gives in to this torture and spills the information!!!

(...though the nicer way would be to wait another 2 more days for PMA to see what Sony comes up with...)


Ah, the speculations, it brings back warm memories of the time the A700 was (to be) announced...
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NIw, in Advizia do can you look about the new lenses??
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ricardovaste Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 January 2008 at 20:47
Does it not strike you as quite odd to have a 'lower level' camera (below the A700) but with MORE megapixels???

Its certainly interesting me. Simply because i dont know what it holds, not because of the MP's. CCD OR CMOS will be very important of course, it surely wont be CCD will it???
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Post Options Post Options   Quote cezarL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 January 2008 at 20:49
Originally posted by ricardovaste ricardovaste wrote:

CCD OR CMOS will be very important of course, it surely wont be CCD will it???


Oh... I've waited a loooong time to be able to do this (quoting myself, that is) :

Originally posted by cezarL cezarL wrote:

CCD


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Post Options Post Options   Quote DutchAlpha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 January 2008 at 20:50
Originally posted by ricardovaste ricardovaste wrote:

Does it not strike you as quite odd to have a 'lower level' camera (below the A700) but with MORE megapixels???


Canon does this (too):

450D --> 12Mp
40D --> 10Mp
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Originally posted by m.b. m.b. wrote:

we can't say, if A350 will have better AF or noise than D80/K20.. but I guess it very likely will have much smaller viewfinder :(


If we consider Jlav's post with the two images for comparison, it seems they have similar sized VF's.

Also, when you consider that Sony makes equipment for Nikon, and has been for some time. Not to mention they have been in the video camera game for ages. I don't see why noise wouldn't be better.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kiklop Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 January 2008 at 20:51
Originally posted by m.b. m.b. wrote:

Kiklop: so.. is this everything we will get between A200 and A700? :)

People are never satisfied
When some hints appeared long time ago suggesting 3 models under a700 most didn't believed this will happen ... now ... you are asking for more ;)
Originally posted by cezarL cezarL wrote:


Hopefully, it will be more than that. I want a real alternative to the A700 (which is a tad too expensive for my taste and needs). If what these cameras (and especially A350) bring above A200 is just Live-View (and more noise on the 14mp sensor), then... it's not enough for me :(

Well .. in this case you may wait for some discounts and save a bit for a700
Originally posted by chych chych wrote:

I wonder if they will update the kit lens to a better design; current one is pretty old.

It may be old but still, for the money i personally find it quite capable. AFAIK, no new kit lens aside somewhat different kit packages (different tele lens)


While i'm really glad there are so many enthusiastic people, please do not expect wonders; Sony is providing what many have asked for: affordable entry level models with LV. Nothing less and nothing more. No k20D like cameras .. a700 is here for that with all the cons and pros it gives.


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Well, with 12MP P&S cameras, some upgraders won't want a 10MP haha.


(indeed I don't know what I talk about)


And we do go back to the A-700 time speculation-wise, but what is more understandable considering the A-200 came so fast we had no time for rumors, specs came too early for that haha.

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Originally posted by DutchAlpha DutchAlpha wrote:

Originally posted by ricardovaste ricardovaste wrote:

Does it not strike you as quite odd to have a 'lower level' camera (below the A700) but with MORE megapixels???


Canon does this (too):

450D --> 12Mp
40D --> 10Mp


I am going to have to eat my words on this one. Previously I said that "surely" Sony knows that todays consumers are aware of the MP smoke that manufacturers blow up their behinds. However... Thinking about it makes me reconsider.

It is still in entry-level territory (A350), it has a relatively high model number (A350 > A300, A200, A100), giving it the air of superiority. And it has more MP... Yeah... Seems like a direct ploy to get ignorant consumers...

And here I had dreams of grandeur and a FF A350... So much for that...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote cezarL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 January 2008 at 20:56
Originally posted by Kiklop Kiklop wrote:


Originally posted by cezarL cezarL wrote:


Hopefully, it will be more than that. I want a real alternative to the A700 (which is a tad too expensive for my taste and needs). If what these cameras (and especially A350) bring above A200 is just Live-View (and more noise on the 14mp sensor), then... it's not enough for me :(

Well .. in this case you may wait for some discounts and save a bit for a700



Now that's not fair, I distinctly remember one of your posts, back when the A200 was announced, something like... "the other model will be a little bit more than just an A200 with live-view"
Of course, by "a little bit more" you could have meant the 14mp sensor... in which case, you were deadly accurate
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