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Originally posted by ricardovaste ricardovaste wrote:

Does it not strike you as quite odd to have a 'lower level' camera (below the A700) but with MORE megapixels???


It's not the first time it's happened - Canon have just done it with the 450D (over the 40D) and previously did it with the 400D (over the 30D). Olympus did it repeatedly during the lifespan of the E1 (every dSLR they made afterwards had more MP). I'm sure there were other times, too.

I had been hoping Sony would do a K20d-alike, with a nice pentaprism - I suppose that's what the A500 (whenever that shows up) will be. I wonder if liveview is a worthwhile alternative to a glass prism?

If they launch all of these cameras, Sony will have 5 models on the market! I'm sure others have done the arithmetic already this thread, but it's worth repeating...ok, I'll do it again - five cameras!
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I think that we should tickle Kiklop, not to learn what the new cameras will be, but instead to learn what the new lenses will be!

How about listing "random" numbers in your posts, Kiklop? We could put the numbers together and guess what they mean!
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Originally posted by Kiklop Kiklop wrote:

Originally posted by m.b. m.b. wrote:

Kiklop: so.. is this everything we will get between A200 and A700? :)

People are never satisfied
When some hints appeared long time ago suggesting 3 models under a700 most didn't believed this will happen ... now ... you are asking for more ;)



But since I don't care about mpix and live view.. Those 3 cameras look same to me :)

For me they have the same value.. same small viewfinder, only one dial etc.

what's new?? more mpix and swivel lcd? :(

Edited by m.b. - 28 January 2008 at 21:18
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Originally posted by cezarL cezarL wrote:

Originally posted by ricardovaste ricardovaste wrote:

CCD OR CMOS will be very important of course, it surely wont be CCD will it???


Oh... I've waited a loooong time to be able to do this (quoting myself, that is) :

Originally posted by cezarL cezarL wrote:

CCD



No, i did notice your post, but jsut wondered what others thought. But either way, why do you think it will be CCD? Cheaper?
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My mate had a Canon EOS 400D, and when we made prints from it compared to my sony, with mine using the L20 sigma and his using the kit lens, same object, same exposure, same ISO, same settings, same printer the results from mine were FAR superior - leading me to believe that the sensors some companies say are not quite what they are meant to be.
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Originally posted by colmo colmo wrote:

Originally posted by ricardovaste ricardovaste wrote:

Does it not strike you as quite odd to have a 'lower level' camera (below the A700) but with MORE megapixels???


It's not the first time it's happened - Canon have just done it with the 450D (over the 40D) and previously did it with the 400D (over the 30D). Olympus did it repeatedly during the lifespan of the E1 (every dSLR they made afterwards had more MP). I'm sure there were other times, too.

I had been hoping Sony would do a K20d-alike, with a nice pentaprism - I suppose that's what the A500 (whenever that shows up) will be. I wonder if liveview is a worthwhile alternative to a glass prism?

If they launch all of these cameras, Sony will have 5 models on the market! I'm sure others have done the arithmetic already this thread, but it's worth repeating...ok, I'll do it again - five cameras!


What I don't understand with your post is that the K20D has the same street price as the A700. So Sony DOES have this camera...it just happens to be better spec'ed (aside from MPs.)
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-Yes sir, it has a 12mp CMOS sensor, ISO6400 capability, 11 point autofocus, HD capability, Live-view, SSS, one of the most technologically advanced...-Great, and how do you load the film?
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Then let's kidnap Kiklop and tickle him under his feet for as long as needed until he finally gives in to this torture and spills the information!!!

Why me ?
Take some Sony guy instead .. i'm still far less knowledgeable than most of them
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A900 on our way in the fall then?
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Originally posted by ricardovaste ricardovaste wrote:

But either way, why do you think it will be CCD? Cheaper?


Noooo... just because Kiklop said so last week, on a DPR thread: two sensors, that average to 12mp, but none of them being 12mp (so confirms 10 and 14), and... none of them is CMOS.

Obviously the man knows a lot more than he lets us believe. I wouldn't be surprised if he has already played with both cameras :)
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Originally posted by cezarL cezarL wrote:


Now that's not fair, I distinctly remember one of your posts, back when the A200 was announced, something like... "the other model will be a little bit more than just an A200 with live-view"   

Aha .. correct .. you were the one that was actually reading what i have wrote
Originally posted by cezarL cezarL wrote:


Of course, by "a little bit more" you could have meant the 14mp sensor... in which case, you were deadly accurate
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Originally posted by m.b. m.b. wrote:


But since I don't care about mpix and live view.. Those 3 cameras looks same to me :)

I saw the same person in the mirror today :)
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Originally posted by Kiklop Kiklop wrote:

Originally posted by m.b. m.b. wrote:


But since I don't care about mpix and live view.. Those 3 cameras look same to me :)

I saw the same person in the mirror today :)


but actually.. it's not funny :(

still.. there is a lot of room yet between 350 and 700.. :)


Edited by m.b. - 28 January 2008 at 21:18
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For my part I'm really glad I now have the A700. If I'd waited then I'd be tempted by one these 'lesser' cameras.

If SONY wants their share then we'll need the '500 and '900 and that will cover the bases and allow it to happen. Maybe they could skip the '500 if they had to but the '900 is a 'must do'.

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