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Originally posted by edom31 edom31 wrote:



I am searching the A58's as many have recommended it... But also open to a a580 as well.

I've been a legacy glass shooter for 5+ years; I doubt I will get into higher end glass, so I think any of the middle tiers will suit me well

(I use a lot of Takumars / Legacy Pentax / Olympus OM)

I've had the A58 and the a580. I can't recommend either. Their build quality left much to be desired. If you find one as "New Old Stock", maybe, but other wise i would avoid. The a57 has a crap EVF. The housing is good, the screen is better, output is actually pretty good, and the build quality is all right.
Since all these cameras are consumer electronics and long in the tooth, I would suggest looking at the Semi-pro and Pro bodies which were of a more robust build quality: a700, a900, a850, a77, a77M2, a99. With the a77 probably the best bang for the buck.
P.S. I had the a580 at the same time as my a850 to do a side by side comparison while waiting on the a77M3, the a580 gave up quite some time ago, the a850 is still a going concern.

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Don't forget to keep an eye on local Craiglist, and whatever other local market places there might be. Some are disposing of A-mount gear for silly prices, now the mount has been discontinued by Sony. For example, I picked up a lovely low shutter-count A850 for $Au300 ($US230) in a local Facebook Market-Place last year. And I thought about it for some hours before deciding to buy it, too, so others must have seen it and decided they didn't want the last Sony true SLR fulL-frame body, not even to buy it, and resell it for a profit.
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Originally posted by LAbernethy LAbernethy wrote:

Originally posted by edom31 edom31 wrote:



I am searching the A58's as many have recommended it... But also open to a a580 as well.

I've been a legacy glass shooter for 5+ years; I doubt I will get into higher end glass, so I think any of the middle tiers will suit me well

(I use a lot of Takumars / Legacy Pentax / Olympus OM)

I've had the A58 and the a580. I can't recommend either. Their build quality left much to be desired. If you find one as "New Old Stock", maybe, but other wise i would avoid. The a57 has a crap EVF. The housing is good, the screen is better, output is actually pretty good, and the build quality is all right.
Since all these cameras are consumer electronics and long in the tooth, I would suggest looking at the Semi-pro and Pro bodies which were of a more robust build quality: a700, a900, a850, a77, a77M2, a99. With the a77 probably the best bang for the buck.
P.S. I had the a580 at the same time as my a850 to do a side by side comparison while waiting on the a77M3, the a580 gave up quite some time ago, the a850 is still a going concern.

I agree with LAbernethy about the A580. I own two A580s, although I have retired one of them. I find their build quality generally poor. Both suffer from the shutter/power-button/shutdown problem that has been reported here occasionally. I wouldn't put too much stock in it having a OVF. The A580's small, dim viewfinder is nothing like your Pentax's. Compromises had to be made to accommodate the extra mirror and sensor required by live-view. Both of mine also suffered from backfocus and inconsistent metering. I found the A77-series models much more reliable and versatile, and the EVF is (much) better for everything other than birds-in-flight.

I have no experience with the A58, but I expect it would find it preferable to the A580. Just my 2 cents.
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I've used the A57 for 3 years as a main camera.
I liked it's 16MP RAW files in post, got some very decent prints up to A2 size.
EVF quality was so so, but focuspeaking worked





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In my opinion, given the parameters set forth by the OP, the A580 is the camera he should buy. I own two and I have nothing but love for them. None of the problems mentioned here. Key is finding a mint copy with low use, while not paying too much. Three hundred dollars is very reasonable. Often itís priced around four hundred or more. There just arenít enough available to drive price down.

At the time of release, the A580 was the absolute darling of the midrange DSLR market in my opinion. This is the last optical viewfinder DSLR Sony made and was released at the same time as the A55. They are essentially the same, with the difference being the OVF vs EVF. The 580 has a pretty good feature set that is still relevant today, unless youíre a professional. I realize that amongst the Sony cropped sensor DSLR lineup, the A700 has a more professional build. The 580 will never live in the hearts and minds of A-mount fans, like the beloved 700 always has.   But the A700 lacks several features, such as video and tilt screen, to name a few. Also it is lower megapixels. The A580 with steady shot turned off can take a long video. I use a stabilized Sigma lens for this purpose. Itís has a microphone jack and I do like to use the optional Sony microphone I bought for it. Also I enjoy the dual card slots. The SD card I use for photos, and I switch to the memory stick for video. At 16mp the A580 may seem outdated, but i donít give it a second thought. People still love their A700 and thatís only 12mp. You canít go wrong with the A580 if you find a mint copy. It is a model that has held its value more than some other Alphaís. Reasons are there arenít that many for sale typically, and (despite the nay sayers on this thread) itís a good camera!

Sony A580 - key specifications

16.2MP (effective) APS HD CMOS sensor

Maximum ISO 12,800 (with a quasi-ISO 25,600 'Multi-frame NR' option)

15-point AF system with 3 cross-type AF points

Contrast-detect AF in focus check live view mode

Electronic level in LCD with pitch/roll indicator

Switchable Memory Stick/SD card slots (only one in use at any time)

Up to 7fps continuous shooting rate

1080p AVCHD movie mode with continuous AF

Hinged 3 inch LCD with 921k dots

3D sweep-panorama

Socket for external microphone

Face-detection AF (focus via nearest phase-detection AF point)



I noticed some mention here of the A390, to which I say....   bullocks!! In my opinion, The A350 is better designed and only lacks a few features of the newer A390. Image quality is identical.   one look at the 390 and you know youíre looking at cheap camera with the most basic build imaginable. In my opinion, the 350 improved on the 300 and then the 3** series took a turn for the worse thereafter. The A350 is my pick for anyone wanting the cheapest A-mount camera (unless they happen upon an A700 for similar money).

The A700 has become a cheap camera to buy nowadays. Itís built very well!! However it is old technology and may leave you wanting more.

One thing I miss about these older models is the dedicated steady shot switch. So convenient. Going into the menu to turn it on or off really sucks. When I upgraded to the A580, I instantly missed having that switch.   

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Originally posted by macronut macronut wrote:

In my opinion, given the parameters set forth by the OP, the A580 is the camera he should buy.
Being the last Sony A-mount OVF SLR the A580 has a cult following and is therefore quite expensive. Unless you want the latest OVF camera, the A580 seems not to be the best choice. The A58 is newer and cheaper.
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Well, I won't be offended by the slur on the A390 because (a) it was my first Sony camera, (b) I could only afford a cheap one, and (c) it was stolen about the time I began to notice its limitations. I got an A58 which was much better in lots of ways and I still have and use today (along with the Nex-6 which has only 16Mp and the A7). I fairly quickly grew to love the EVF, though the OVF on my film cameras is quite nice too.

Everyone has different wants and different standards of judgement. There are lots to choose from, and some of them are quite cheap to buy. Have fun!
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Originally posted by macronut macronut wrote:

In my opinion, given the parameters set forth by the OP, the A580 is the camera he should buy.
Being the last Sony A-mount OVF SLR the A580 has a cult following and is therefore quite expensive. Unless you want the latest OVF camera, the A580 seems not to be the best choice. The A58 is newer and cheaper.


All true. I suggested it meets his parameters, but maybe I wasnít clear enough that he would need to patiently hunt for a deal. In any case, at the very least I hope my post had him considering the A580. Other people here casted aspersions on the model. My post reflects a different opinion. As I said, it has held its value because it is far less common on the used market than the other cameras mentioned here, and because it is a good camera. The extra cost when compared to the others is the only downfall in my opinion, but a deal can be found.

Iíd like to add that the A350 has one design flaw that irks me every time I use it. The row of buttons to the left of the view screen are too damn close to the screen. Especially with a hard plastic screen protector attached, itís annoying.

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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

The A58 is newer and cheaper.

That boils the a58 down to it's essence. Well done.
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Originally posted by macronut macronut wrote:



All true. I suggested it meets his parameters, but maybe I wasnít clear enough that he would need to patiently hunt for a deal. In any case, at the very least I hope my post had him considering the A580. Other people here casted aspersions on the model. My post reflects a different opinion. As I said, it has held its value because it is far less common on the used market than the other cameras mentioned here, and because it is a good camera. The extra cost when compared to the others is the only downfall in my opinion, but a deal can be found.


I actually liked the a580 for it's performance and would have liked to continue using it but it died from a small 7-9 inch tumble when it slid off my camera bag. I'm still not a fan of the EVF, and felt the a580 OVF was a "little cramped" compared to the a850 OVF. I had a discussion on this form comparing the a580 OVF and the A68 EVF and I much preferred the a580. I think it's 16mp sensor in the a580 is the same one in the a57 and is quite good.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 March 2021 at 18:14
Originally posted by LAbernethy LAbernethy wrote:

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

The A58 is newer and cheaper.

That boils the a58 down to it's essence. Well done.



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Originally posted by macronut macronut wrote:

Iíd like to add that the A350 has one design flaw that irks me every time I use it. The row of buttons to the left of the view screen are too damn close to the screen. Especially with a hard plastic screen protector attached, itís annoying.


The A350 was my first digital SLR purchased as an upgrade from a Minolta A200 - I haven't found any problems with those buttons. I eventually upgraded to an A58 to get things like panoramas and focus peaking. It's only 14MP; the live view is a bit clunky and, with my eyesight, pretty useless, but I was happy with it for some years. In a burst of nostalgia I may even take out for a walk tomorrow.

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@LAbernethy

Remember my 390 vs 350 comparison? Being newer doesnít make the 58 a better camera than the 580. Nor does it make it more suited for the OP. It may be typically cheaper to buy, but like I said, deals can be found.

You recommended the A700, while also saying to avoid the A580.   Now wait just a dang minute here. You are contradicting yourself. ĎNewer equals betterí. Right? You canít use that pretend logic to promote both an older and a newer camera over the 580. Also you promoted the 700 as a pro built camera, yet jumped at the chance to give an endorsement to a post about the 58, which is consumer built.

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You take that walk!   

Those buttons are damn close to the screen. A screen that doesnít sit flush to the camera, but rather sits above the buttons. Itís a bad decision.   All that is needed is another 1/8 of an inch between the buttons and screen. Would make all the difference. There is very little gap and my thumb is touching the edge of the protruding screen with every button press.   Maybe you have a smaller thumb tip than me.     
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