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    Posted: 23 October 2020 at 20:06
I very much like my A57. It's getting old and the SD card is sticking (broken spring). I find it takes great pictures and the menu intuitive. My only gripe with the camera (other than the card slot) is the dim view finder.

Given that and the phase out of the A-mount, I am looking to purchase a leftover or used camera. My biggest challenge is taking photos of motor racing. Also I take lots of bird photos in the backyard. I have a few lenses, Beercan, Tamron 70-300 and Sigma 17-70. Perhaps not great lenses but serviceable for me.

Anyway, I'm looking at A65, A68, A77ii. Until today I didn't even know about the A68. My first choice would be the 77 but whether it's worth price, along with availability and condition considerations makes me want to be well versed in the product line to make an intelligent choice. I see the A68 came out after the A65 but appears to have fewer features but better focusing.

So I would appreciate advice, opinions and ranking among these cameras.

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Taking photos of motor racing and birds, I think the A77ii would be best. It has a really good AF system that will keep up with the motors and birds. It is the best of the ones you mention.

If you want to save some money, the A68 would be my second choice. It has a lesser sensor, but not by much. It has the same AF system but with less settings.

I would not bother with the A65.

Some relevant differences:
The a77m2 has 11fps, the A68 5fps
The A77m2 has a 2.4mp 1.09x EVF, the A68 has a 1.44mp 0.8x EVF (1.44mp is fine imho, unsure about the 0.88x)
The A77m2 has WiFi, the A68 does not.
The A77m2 has a great swivel screen, the A68 just a tilt one.

If you can stretch it, the A77m2 is the better one, but the A68 is fine.
Also, do a search here, it was discussed before.

Edited by addy landzaat - 23 October 2020 at 20:40
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Post Options Post Options   Quote LowRyter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2020 at 21:09
Thanks so much for the reply. After subsequent research the A68 does seem like a good buy. I think I'll look for that one or the 77ii.

I'll check on the board.
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considering how cheap A77ii can be had used and how good that body is i.e. ergonomics, build, features everything that's the body I'd go with.
It also has a longer shutter life.

Best APS-C a-mount body and probably there won't be a MK3. so might as well go all out IMO.
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I have used the A65, A58, A68 and A77II for motorsports. I tried an A57 briefly. I don't think it made it to an event. I disliked the A77II--size, weight, battery life, controls. The viewfinder only supports live view at 3 FPS (as does every other SLT except the A99II.) The A68 has an even odder control scheme. Both operate different from the A65, A57, and A58.

The new 79-point AF model and 4D Focus in the A77II and A68 sometimes focuses worse than the old 15-point system. If you want better AF you might want to look at the A6600, despite its ergonomic problems.

Third-party lenses like your Tamron and Sigma don't support the 4x tracking performance of current A-mount lenses on these bodies. These are the lenses for best tracking on A77+ bodies:

SAL1650 DT 16-50mm F2.8 SSM
SAL18135 DT 18-135mm F3.5-5.6 SAM
SAL55300 DT 55-300mm F4.5-5.6 SAM
SAL1635Z2 16-35mm F2.8 ZA SSM II Vario-Sonnar T*
SAL2470Z2 24-70mm F2.8 ZA SSM II Vario-Sonnar T*
SAL50F14Z 50mm F1.4 ZA SSM Planar T*
SAL70200G2 70-200mm F2.8 G SSM II
SAL70300G2 70-300mm F4.5-5.6 G SSM II
SAL70400G2 70-400mm F4-5.6 G SSM II
SAL300F28G2 300mm F2.8 G SSM II
SAL500F40G 500mm F4 G SSM

I would suggest another A57--maybe an original A77 if you want to learn different controls.

Edited by QuietOC - 23 October 2020 at 21:41
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2020 at 22:20
Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

The new 79-point AF model and 4D Focus in the A77II and A68 sometimes focuses worse than the old 15-point system. If you want better AF you might want to look at the A6600, despite its ergonomic problems.
The A6600 is US$1400

I never had a problem with the AF system of the A77m2. It is a really nice camera, its size is perfect and the ergonomics to me are really nice. YMMV. Apart from the 18-135 I have none of the lenses listed by QuietOC. It is fine with the lenses I used.




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I had the A55, then upgraded to the A57, then upgraded to the A77m2 ... hmm, I still have one A57 packed in a box for an emergency.
I shoot wildlife ... the last upgraded was well worth the price.
So if the A68 is the cheaper body build of the A77m2, then it should be a consideration.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote LowRyter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 October 2020 at 02:30
Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

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Third-party lenses like your Tamron and Sigma don't support the 4x tracking performance of current A-mount lenses on these bodies. These are the lenses for best tracking on A77+ bodies:
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I would suggest another A57--maybe an original A77 if you want to learn different controls.


I'm not familiar with 4x tracking and the implications. I don't understand why you are suggesting either. Explanation appreciated.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 October 2020 at 04:28
Originally posted by LowRyter LowRyter wrote:

Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

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Third-party lenses like your Tamron and Sigma don't support the 4x tracking performance of current A-mount lenses on these bodies. These are the lenses for best tracking on A77+ bodies:
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I would suggest another A57--maybe an original A77 if you want to learn different controls.


I'm not familiar with 4x tracking and the implications. I don't understand why you are suggesting either. Explanation appreciated.

It seems like Sony updated the A-mount communication protocol with the original A77 body. They probably quadrupled the data rate of lens communication--that is my guess for the 4x. The AF motors aren't any faster. It mainly affects responsiveness. Only the Sony lenses released with and after the A77 support this (not including the 18-55 SAM II). This is the text Sony used to market these improvements for lenses:

This updated lens brings with it a refined autofocus system that improves subject-tracking capabilities for even more precise, repeatable focus control when working with fast-moving subjects at a distance.
Lens processing has been revised for faster subject tracking
4x Faster AF Tracking
Faster tracking and improved response
A new LSI drive circuit takes that performance to a new level, achieving significantly faster autofocus subject tracking than previous models, and making the SSM drive system more responsive than ever.

This is likely most helpful for 8, 10, or 12 FPS AF-C, but it may help even at the slower frame rates.

Edited by QuietOC - 24 October 2020 at 04:45
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TLDR: for the best results get the lenses QuietOC mentioned. But it still is fine with your lenses.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 October 2020 at 09:26
I was looking at the pictures with A77m2 I have on-line that show some of the capabilities.

With the Sony 70-400G:




With the Minolta 100-300 APO:




Nothing special, though the bird coming towards me was not that easy and the A77m2 with the 100-300 APO did fine. Also, the 70-400G is (was) an expensive lens, but this version is not on the list of best lenses for the A77m2. Like I said, I never had a problem with the A77m2 with any lens I used. There is, however, a learning curve with the AF system, so, take some time to familiarise yourself with it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote nandbytes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 October 2020 at 11:02
I found the A77M2 AF to be pretty good too even with screw driven lenses like minolta 200mm f2.8.

with firmware v2.0 it was even better than it was at release. The size for me was perfect especially with telephotos. A99 always felt bloated to me.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote LAbernethy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 October 2020 at 13:24
I liked the A57. Good eye relief. Good screen with a decent hinge. Capable auto-focus and a nice sensor. Good battery life.
It's successors (a58, a68) were disappointments to me. And , I suspect, would be a disappointment to you.
The A77II is a good camera. The auto-focus system is really pretty good and will out perform the a77 marginally in many situations, but not all. The fact of the matter is the A77 was and still is a damn good camera.
If motor racing is your thing, then i think it comes down to how well you pan and manual focus.
The a77 is probably the best "value" in a-mount. Your lens set will work ok. Though i didn't like the Sigma 17-70 it has a nice range and performs alright. As for the Tamron 70-300, if it's the USD it'll be fine, any of the other iterations , replace with a Sony DT 55-300mm F4.5-5.6 SAM and see how that goes.
Good luck and happy shooting.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote LowRyter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 October 2020 at 16:32
I'll say I'm more confused than ever. The whole idea of purchasing another A-mount is to make use of my legacy lenses. I'm not interested buying more lenses for an obsolete system unless I get a close-out/fire-sale price. Again, I like the A57, other than dark viewfinder and the build quality. In fact, Sony build quality is pretty bad. So far as taking photos, it's pretty good. It seems like all the newer cameras can boast about features but the photos don't seem notably better.

So my bottomline questions, will one of those have a brighter view finder? Will they work worse or better with me lenses?

I want to be able to get this shot but better. I'm not buying a photo pass, just taking amateur's snapshots.







Edited by LowRyter - 24 October 2020 at 16:38
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