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@LowRyter: do you have the "Live View Display" setting at "setting effect ON" or "setting effect OFF"? When set to on, it emulates the picture taken. Depending on your style of photography, it might be better to set it to off.

Which Rebel makes a big difference. The SL3 (EOS 200D II) has a nice 95% 0.87x viewfinder, the original rebel had the same numbers as the A100 (and A580): 95% 0.8x. The A580 is comparable to the older

@LAbernathy: Looking at the numbers of the viewfinder of the A68 and I am not surprised it was less then you hoped for. It is the same viewfinder as in the A6000 and it is fine, but it also is a small viewfinder. I can understand it is nicer on a small camera like the A6000 then a bigger one like the A68.

Thank you for the clarification on the viewfinder of the A580. I always assumed the viewfinder was as small as the viewfinder of the other cameras with a separate live view sensor - if it is like the A100, the viewfinder indeed is fine.
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I've found a good deal on an A68. It has 20k+ shutter count and been in storage closet for a year or so. It also has the kit 18-55 lens.

I'm thinking that lens actually good quality, better than most kit lenses, due also being on the A77?

I'm also thinking that it should be a better camera than my A57 and I'll get many years of use?
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Originally posted by LowRyter LowRyter wrote:

I've found a good deal on an A68. It has 20k+ shutter count and been in storage closet for a year or so. It also has the kit 18-55 lens.

I'm thinking that lens actually good quality, better than most kit lenses, due also being on the A77?

I'm also thinking that it should be a better camera than my A57 and I'll get many years of use?


The A77 kit lens is a 16-50 f2.8 SSM, not an 18-55. Well it is on mine!

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The EVF of the A68 is not that great. Can you see it before you buy? Making sure it is not a disappointment.

The kit 18-55 is fine, but do not expect it to be better then your Sigma 17-70. Better use the spare money for a 16-50/2.8 if you want something better.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 October 2020 at 16:18
Originally posted by IanC IanC wrote:

The A77 kit lens is a 16-50 f2.8 SSM, not an 18-55. Well it is on mine!

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I had to look it up, but yes, there was a kit with the 16-50/2.8. But I doubt there was a kit with the A68 and the 16-50/2.8.
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

The EVF of the A68 is not that great. Can you see it before you buy? Making sure it is not a disappointment.

The kit 18-55 is fine, but do not expect it to be better then your Sigma 17-70. Better use the spare money for a 16-50/2.8 if you want something better.


No, I haven't seen an A68. Didn't even hear of the product until I started this thread. Hopefully the viewfinder is no worse than my A57.

So far as the lenses go, yep it's a cheapie. That 2.8 would be a keeper. That's why I ask the questions. Thanks.

Edited by LowRyter - 25 October 2020 at 20:42
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after reading replies to the question, I would definitely reccommend the A77ii, its so much better than my A700 which i still use.

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Originally posted by LowRyter LowRyter wrote:

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

The EVF of the A68 is not that great. Can you see it before you buy? Making sure it is not a disappointment.

The kit 18-55 is fine, but do not expect it to be better then your Sigma 17-70. Better use the spare money for a 16-50/2.8 if you want something better.


No, I haven't seen an A68. Didn't even hear of the product until I started this thread. Hopefully the viewfinder is no worse than my A57.

It depends on what you want in a viewfinder. The A57's field-sequential LCD viewfinder has much lower contrast than the OLED EVFs. The older OLEDs block up in shadows. I find the somewhat smaller EVFs in the A58 and A68 quite nice. I prefer them to the viewfinders of the A57 and A65.

The A58 and A68 EVFs are not the one used in the A6000. The A6000 one is larger and brighter.

Edited by QuietOC - 26 October 2020 at 14:01
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Originally posted by LowRyter LowRyter wrote:

I've found a good deal on an A68. It has 20k+ shutter count and been in storage closet for a year or so. It also has the kit 18-55 lens.

I'm thinking that lens actually good quality, better than most kit lenses ...

I have lots of favorite photos made with A-mount kit lenses. That 18-55 should be fine, especially if it's the II version.
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:



@LAbernathy: Looking at the numbers of the viewfinder of the A68 and I am not surprised it was less then you hoped for. It is the same viewfinder as in the A6000 and it is fine, but it also is a small viewfinder. I can understand it is nicer on a small camera like the A6000 then a bigger one like the A68.



Optical View Finders correspond to the size of the mirror and sensor. I shoot with an Olympus E-3 and E-5, very large cameras with Four Thirds sensors, mirrors and view finders, no problems, a joy actually.
The EVF's are under no constraint of sensor and mirror. The EVF of the Olympus OM-D EM-1 is roughly the size of the EVF in the a99.
The EVF of the a68 is unnecessarily small and cramped. With poor eye relief and bad magnifier in daylight it looks dim and muddy. In lower light it barely crosses the threshold of acceptable. No joy.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote LowRyter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2020 at 15:07
LA, how does A68 compare to the A57 since I have no interest in the other cameras you mention?
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I have done side by side comparisons of the EVF of several non full-frame (APS-C) Sony SLT cameras in low light environment (indoors). The A68 EVF is a bit better than the A58 EVF, but significantly better than the EVF in both the A77 and the A57. Only the A77ii has a slightly better viewfinder than the A68.

The A68 is an economy version of the A77ii. If you can get the A68 at a low price it's a no-brainer.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote LowRyter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2020 at 17:44
Thanks AM, I'm leaning towards that. Seems like when I contact the sellers, the deal changes.
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Originally posted by LowRyter LowRyter wrote:

LA, how does A68 compare to the A57 since I have no interest in the other cameras you mention?



Originally posted by amrep amrep wrote:

I have done side by side comparisons of the EVF of several non full-frame (APS-C) Sony SLT cameras in low light environment (indoors). The A68 EVF is a bit better than the A58 EVF, but significantly better than the EVF in both the A77 and the A57. Only the A77ii has a slightly better viewfinder than the A68.

The A68 is an economy version of the A77ii. If you can get the A68 at a low price it's a no-brainer.


I've also done side by side comparisons. The a58's (yes I've had that too; Gifted to my eldest a couple of years ago and was playing with the camera on Sunday while visiting) rear screen is the same the a68's. The EVF's though similar, I actually think the a58's is slightly better in execution. The optics on the a68's seem "cheaper". So similar but not the same. The a68 is a jumped up a58 not a downgraded a77II.
Yes, the a68's actual OLED is better in resolution, colour rendition and dynamic range than the a57's LCD electronic viewfinder; but the whole is more than the sum of the parts.
The a68 shares the same design flaw or ideology as the a5XX series of cameras "screen first". The screen is in front of the plane of the view finder. If you wear glasses this won't bother you. If you don't, it's a problem that exasperates the small view finder and light intrusion.
The a57's screen is behind the plain of the EVF making the a57's poorer quality EVF easier to see.
The a77II's EVF is better.

Edited by LAbernethy - 26 October 2020 at 22:04
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