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    Posted: 28 April 2017 at 20:43
hello Forum,

I am at the moment on holiday in Croatia, Mali Losinj island. I am using a A580 with CZ 16-80 AF lens, that's the only lens I have taken with me.

I have this problem, since a few days, when I turn on the A580, a lot of times I can hear some internal motor noise, and then the LCD screen turns black, and in the viewfinder everything is dark. It's like the camera makes a spontaneous reboot.

When I shut off the camera and then turn on again, it will happen again. Only when I focus on something the camera starts working normally. But the problem returns the next time I turn the camera off en on again. Most of the time this happens, and sometimes the camera starts up normally, like 80%-20%.

I tried to change a lot of small settings in the setup menu, but the problem is still there.

Is anyone familiair with this problem or symptoms, with the A580, and/or CZ 16-80?

Thanks in advance!

Jeroen
 



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aha, I have found this topic, seems a common problem for the A580

http://www.dyxum.com/dforum/a580-problem_topic111694_page1.html
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Weird.
Both the LCD and viewfinder are black, maybe the mirror is up? The A580 uses a secondary sensor for live view. Did you try to turn it on without lens to see if the mirror is up?

With every electronic device: get the battery out and leave it for a period of time, then re-insert a fully charged battery - sometimes it helps.

Edit: seems slightly different from what you describe, but it could be related.

Edited by addy landzaat - 28 April 2017 at 21:00
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oh I am sorry, I have to be more clear, I meant the LCD in the viewfinder turns off (black), not working. The mirror is not a problem.

I will take out the battery for a whole night, but from what I have read I assume it is some kind of electro-mechanical failure.
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Originally posted by Raabje Raabje wrote:

aha, I have found this topic, seems a common problem for the A580

http://www.dyxum.com/dforum/a580-problem_topic111694_page1.html

A solution was reported in one case. Have you tried that?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Raabje Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 April 2017 at 11:28
No contact cleaner nearby, but I took out the battery and worked the power button a lot of times, and turned the control wheel a lot of times, and with a fully loaded battery the camera is working normal, at the moment. I will report it when the reboot/startup symptoms come back.

I didn't use the camera for a few months, so maybe there is dust inside, or a rusty internal contact.

But this made me realize again all electronic tools and gadgets will die one day, sooner or later, regardless of price.
 



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Not sure about that.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Raabje Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 October 2019 at 21:39
Found my own topic from way back, my camera was having hick-ups again.

I sprayed contact cleaner between shutter button and on/off switch, that didn't help the first time I tried. The second time I also sprayed at the aperture jog wheel, and now the camera seems to be working normal, after extended use.

Hopefully it will keep working normal for a while.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote jtoonen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 March 2020 at 16:24
I encountered a similar issue with my A580. In the end turns out to be a faulty sd card. Sometimes the camera blocked a shot without any message. After cleaning and checking connection, I used the switch to a sony card which was laying around. Issue solved.....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Raabje Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 March 2020 at 08:54
okay, thanks, I will try this too.

I thought the problem was solved with contact cleaner, but I was wrong.

I used the camera only on a tripod for a long period, so I turned off anti-shake. Then the camera has no problems.

When I turn on anti-shake, the problem comes back, random shut off immediately after turning on the camera, with some winding noise, or when I press the focus button, than it shut's off too.

I will try an other SD card, and maybe a Sony MS duo. Or buy an other A mount camera, I guess it is time to move on.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote bartman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 March 2020 at 12:08
Originally posted by Raabje Raabje wrote:

okay, thanks, I will try this too.

I thought the problem was solved with contact cleaner, but I was wrong.

I used the camera only on a tripod for a long period, so I turned off anti-shake. Then the camera has no problems.

When I turn on anti-shake, the problem comes back, random shut off immediately after turning on the camera, with some winding noise, or when I press the focus button, than it shut's off too.

I will try an other SD card, and maybe a Sony MS duo. Or buy an other A mount camera, I guess it is time to move on.


Maybe the steady shot is broken. I had something similar with my a100 years ago. The camera made an awful noise when put on. And images showed a not to miss parallax.

O, if you move on to another camera and lay the a580 to rest, you will go through a period of grief. At least I did..
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 March 2020 at 12:32
That's too bad, reading the symptoms I agree with bartman that a broken anti-shake is the problem.

Maybe in its place here, a shameless plug for the A580 that's been for sale here for a long time. If you make a sensible offer I'll happily sell it to you.

On the other hand, if you just leave anti-shake off and use slightly shorter exposure times your camera still seems usable that way, in the old film days I always shot without anti-shake, so while it's nice to have I don't consider it essential.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Raabje Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 March 2020 at 13:57
I tried the camera with empty card slots, the problem showed up. So I guess it's not related to memory card errors.

I found this too:

https://www.flickr.com/groups/1192873@N25/discuss/72157644903439171/
https://www.flickr.com/groups/1525626@N25/discuss/72157646812556239/

Maybe I try to open up the camera and clean it better:

https://www.flickr.com/groups/1525626@N25/discuss/72157639250616696/

And I will ask Sony repair what the cost will be, if a 580 repair is still possible. I will not buy an other 580, maybe a A68 is a nice replacement.



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Post Options Post Options   Quote bartman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 March 2020 at 15:18
Originally posted by Raabje Raabje wrote:


And I will ask Sony repair what the cost will be, if a 580 repair is still possible. I will not buy an other 580, maybe a A68 is a nice replacement.



I replaced my a580 with a77m2. It has cons en pros, but my output stayed of similar quality.
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