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I find there is very little IQ difference between my 16-50 and 18-55 kit lenses (after applying the lens profiles), but the extra 2 mm at the short end of the 16-50 is worth a lot if you're doing walk arounds in town, the 5 mm difference at the far end is hardly significant, easily overcome with a 10% crop.
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The biggest difference I find between the two is the PZ lens occasionally takes a while to power down and always a delay on powering up and it always resets itself to 16mm. The 18-55 stays were you put it ...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Phil Wood Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 March 2021 at 12:40
Originally posted by Howard_S Howard_S wrote:

Is that 28-60 the lens that was announced with the A7C recently?


Yes - they are selling on ebay at £240ish - if they match the reviews they could be a decent buy, even with the short range.
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Originally posted by Howard_S Howard_S wrote:

The menu system on the NEX-7 might be a hurdle coming from the A-Mount, so it might be worth checking out if you can. FWIW, if you get a good example of the PZ 16-50 youíll appreciate the weight and space saving. Here are my NEX-7s with 16-50 lenses ...


Sony 16-50 lens comparison /1

(I link to some comparison shots from that photo too.)

Thereís also a 20mm compact lens from Sony thatís a successor to the 16mm, I think.


I already have one of those 16-50s, excellent, but not my most pocketable lens.

Sadly, I only know one Nex-7 owner - perhaps I should wait for the next in-person First Friday?
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Originally posted by pegelli pegelli wrote:

I find there is very little IQ difference between my 16-50 and 18-55 kit lenses (after applying the lens profiles), but the extra 2 mm at the short end of the 16-50 is worth a lot if you're doing walk arounds in town, the 5 mm difference at the far end is hardly significant, easily overcome with a 10% crop.


Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

The biggest difference I find between the two is the PZ lens occasionally takes a while to power down and always a delay on powering up and it always resets itself to 16mm. The 18-55 stays were you put it ...


The 16-50 seems to get very mixed reactions - do copies vary a lot, or is it users' expectations? It remains my preferred option because of the size and extra width (I have the A mount 16-50 & 18-55 - when I got the 16-50 I was not only blown away by the step up in IQ, but the extra 2mm width was so noticeable). I am just a bit concerned that I might be buying a lens I never use (I am not short of those).

Given the main use I envisage for the camera I would be fairly happy with in-camera jpg (presumably these apply all the corrections) or correcting RAW in PP (assuming LR has the necessary profile).

I think I can live with the foibles of the power zoom.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Howard_S Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 March 2021 at 13:43
Originally posted by Phil Wood Phil Wood wrote:

Sadly, I only know one Nex-7 owner - perhaps I should wait for the next in-person First Friday?

If you can wait that long!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote lomitamike Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 March 2021 at 13:57
Im sure there are variations in any lens production. Buy used and the variations increase.

Im primarily an A-mount shooter and bought into the aps e-mount system for a good travel kit. I ended up going with the Nex-6 to be followed by the a6000. The 16-50 came with the Nex-6. My take on this lens is it's more of a video lens. The video's I have made with this lens are far better then the stills I have been able to get.

You should have no problem getting acceptable stills with the 16-50 as long as you figure out it's weaknesses and avoid them.

If you want a small, light, powerful system the a-6??? even the Nex-6 with any of the small aps lenses make a very good travel kit.

My kit consist of the A6000, 18-200, 35 1.8, 50 1.8, and the rokinon fisheye, Minolta to Sony flash adapter, the Sony HVL42 flash all in a small bag. That covers most situations.

The Nex-6 and 16-50 stay at home unless I plan on taking video.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Howard_S Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 March 2021 at 14:00
I see MPB have 94 copies for sale, from £34 for faulty to £84 for like new ... maybe they'd haggle over a price?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 March 2021 at 14:44
You can take a look at the sample images of the 16-50 and see for yourself how "bad" it really is
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 March 2021 at 18:25
Optically I find the 1650pz very good, just so long as you remember the golden rule: that wide open at the wide end ALL 'standard' and wide zooms are soft, so don't put any wanted detail there.
But f5.6-8 is usually enough for acceptable corners in wide views and the OSS means you can use shutter speeds in single digits, so good results are possible even at dusk if you can brace the camera.
It's a good lens, and if I'm going out with the Nex-6 and a single compact lens, that one lens is more likely to be the PZ than the 16mm f2.8 or the 18-55.
Mind you, I can highly recommend the Meike 35mm f1.7 on the Nex if you can stand walking around with a prime, It's a lovely lens to use in the old-fashioned way and it's pretty sharp too.
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I got the a6000 in 2017 to reduce the weight of my A mount gear. I wandered through almost any E mount APSC prime before settling down with EZ 24/1.8.

The only pocketable zoom is the 16-50 OSS.
The are some primes that have similar size, E16/2.8, E20/2.8, Samyang 24/2.8, Samyang 35/2.8, Sigma 30/2.8. The E 35/1.8 OSS is just a bit longer.
It only depends on your stile. Mine is not so in love with wideangle, so that
carrying with me the small 16/2.8 when I suppose to need, it is more than enough for my needs.

As of "pocketable": The a6000 can stay in a large pocket but not in a jeans one like a phone, because of its grip and the viewfinder rubber eyecup that is mandatory to use when sun is orthoghonal to you.

I find a Nex 3n much more pocketable as it ha less grip and off course miss the viewfinder. Its length and heigt are smaller than some of new smartphones.
I now that you request a viewfinder, just wrote this to state is clear that you can pack everything within 400g and a compact object, but this is not like a wallet.    
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Originally posted by Barrin Barrin wrote:

I find a Nex 3n much more pocketable as it ha less grip and off course miss the viewfinder. Its length and heigt are smaller than some of new smartphones.

I have considered getting a nex-3 or 5 with the 16f2.8 several times but nowadays it doesn't do anything much that a decent phone camera does better. So I stick with something that has an EVF.
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Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

Originally posted by Barrin Barrin wrote:

I find a Nex 3n much more pocketable as it ha less grip and off course miss the viewfinder. Its length and heigt are smaller than some of new smartphones.

I have considered getting a nex-3 or 5 with the 16f2.8 several times but nowadays it doesn't do anything much that a decent phone camera does better. So I stick with something that has an EVF.
Ehm, he is talking about the NEX-3N, not the NEX-3. I had the NEX-F3 with a attachable EVF. Lovely camera, much, much better then the NEX-3 or NEX-5 I also owned. Replaced it by the A6000, that I also liked. Used them next to my A-mount cameras as small do-it-all cameras.

Re. the 16-50. It is a kitlens and all that comes with that. Decent potential image quality, but cheaper materials and production control resulting in sample variations. That is why you see so many different experiences with these lenses (as well as bias and expectations).

Edit: as this is a photography forum, here is a picture of my old NEX-F3 with the Sigma 30/2.8. It is a small and great set with the capable 16mp sensor. It should be possible to find this set for cheap:

Sony A7r4 | Sony 85/1.8 | f/2.8 | 1/200s | 5000iso

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Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:


I have considered getting a nex-3 or 5 with the 16f2.8 several times but nowadays it doesn't do anything much that a decent phone camera does better. So I stick with something that has an EVF.


My need of an EVF is partly that LCDs are virtually unusable in many bright light situations but mainly down to my eyesight - I need reading glasses to view an LCD making it a real pain when walking around (glasses in one hand, camera in the other - how do I hold the ice cream?).

I rejected plug-in EVFs because they seem fiddly, less robust and expensive (and there aren't many for sale)- could I safely leave one attached when I put the camera in a jacket pocket?

Looking at my options, the 16-50 seems the only really pocketable zoom option, so I will go for that. I am not averse to primes, I use them all the time on A mount, but not so much when on holiday sight-seeing with my wife - the main target for this purchase. I currently use an A58 with Tamron 16-300 for this purpose, I will miss the 51-300, but not the encumbrance of the larger camera. I may find space in another pocket for a 55-210 (just in case).

The body choice is not so easy. I guess the A6000 is the best option, but I would probably have to go a bit over budget. The Nex 6 seems cheapest and in most ways the nearest to the A6000, but would I miss the extra 8MP? The Nex 7 is 24MP and has the iiso shoe, which I much prefer to the multi-shoe on the others, but no wifi or Play Memories App compatibility.


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