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Post Options Post Options   Quote Howard_S Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 April 2021 at 15:33
I wouldn't build up too much hope of the 18-55 working well with a VCL adapter - mine shows severe vignetting (like an APS-C lens on a FF sensor) on the NEX-7 and even worse softness if you move beyond 18mm.

I have both VCLs for the 16mm and they're OK. I haven't used them a great deal, but if you like the results they're an inexpensive edition to the 16mm or 20mm lens. (I'm not sure what the benefit of the -2 version is, unless it is compatibility with the 20mm?)

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Bury Knowle Park | NEX-7 | E 16mm F2.8 | VCL-ECF1 (=10mm)
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The -1 versions are silver like the 16 mm (and original NEX lenses) and the -2 versions are black like the 20 mm.

Yeah, the dedicated wide converters aren't even that good with the pancakes. I remember them being truly awful on the 35 F1.8 OSS, but it did work. I also got the VCL-DH1758 1.7X front mounted teleconverter which works similarly to make a narrower view.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Howard_S Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 April 2021 at 19:45
Sony, also being a camcorder company, had or has a rich history of making lens attachments like this (if rich is the right word there).

Given Phil's comments about phomes as LCDs, perhaps the answer is to get a ILCE-QX1?
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The only front-mount wide converter I found that worked really well into the corners was an absolutely massive Sony one from some pro video camera, I think, that was about twice the weight of the lens I fitted it to! Can't remember the number. I put it away somewhere ...

I have a Hoya zoom close-up converter which is quite neat. Must try that with the E-mount lenses. It makes a brilliant magnifying glass!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Phil Wood Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 April 2021 at 20:50
Originally posted by Howard_S Howard_S wrote:

Sony, also being a camcorder company, had or has a rich history of making lens attachments like this (if rich is the right word there).

Given Phil's comments about phones as LCDs, perhaps the answer is to get a ILCE-QX1?


Visiting an archaeological dig a few years back I saw a chap using a QX of some variety - on a long pole to get overhead shots. I would be interested in getting elevated angles in this way with an A6000/Nex 6 having found an A99ii a bit hard to hold steady a couple of meters above me.

Same site a couple of years later I took a photo of Howard - without knowing it.
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Well that's what he told my agent when he went to collect my appearance fee ..
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Phil Wood Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 April 2021 at 23:19
Thanks to Howard I had the chance to try out a Nex 7 with an array of lenses, an LA-EA4 and two converters on the 16/2.8 pancake. Pictures.

It was a lot to take in, but it showed me that the camera would fit in well with my prospective use.

My big worry is that I already want a range of extra lenses - which is not really the idea.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 April 2021 at 07:46
I know that feeling....

I got a Canon to use with the lenses I already had and added some more.
I got E-mount and wanted one or two lenses, got a lot more.
I got the A7r2 to use with just the 16-35/4 and adapted lenses, that was a few lenses ago.

I recently got an Olympus OM-1MD film camera and I am already looking for lenses...
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I think I have settled on an A6000 + 16-50 OSS as the basic pocketable walkaround. The 55-210 seems the only option to extend the reach and, while not stellar, the images I got from Howard's copy were good enough for my purposes. I suspect I will also add a 30 or 35mm prime for those times when I feel the primal urge.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 April 2021 at 13:35
With the 55-200 the set up no longer is pocketable, why do you consider the 55-200 to be the only option?

You could even use an A-mount lens as a manual focus lens. This is with Minolta 100-300 APO (D) - the size is nice with a A6x00 camera, even with the adapter:

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Sony A6400 | Minolta 100-300 APO (D) | 300mm | f/8 | 1/640s | 100iso

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Sony A6400 | Minolta 100-300 APO (D) | 100mm | f/6.3 | 1/1000s | 100iso

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Sony A6400 | Minolta 100-300 APO (D) | 100mm | f/8 | 1/320s | 100iso

If 100mm is to long, there are also lenses starting at 70mm. the 20mm between 50mm and 70mm is inconsequential imo. In the end I went with the 70-350G, not a cheap option but a very good one.
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The Canon EF 75-300 III USM doesn't work too badly with the Yongnuo EF-E II on my NEX-5T. The EF-S 55-250 IS STM is also supported.

The AF prime selection drove me away from APS-C. I had settled on the Zeiss Touit 32, which is somewhat heavy and has a fairly slow DC motor. The little Rokinon 35 F2.8 had better image quality. The 24 F1.8 ZA Sonnar is so expensive. I still have the inexpensive manual 35 F1.6 and 25 F1.8 primes which are quite nice.

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Originally posted by Phil Wood Phil Wood wrote:

I think I have settled on an A6000 + 16-50 OSS as the basic pocketable walkaround. The 55-210 seems the only option to extend the reach and, while not stellar, the images I got from Howard's copy were good enough for my purposes. I suspect I will also add a 30 or 35mm prime for those times when I feel the primal urge.



I think your choices fit the need you've expressed very well. There certainly are better lenses than the 55-210, but not much that can match it for size, price and having OSS built in, something that was very important to me on the NEX6 and a6300. There's a lot available in the 30-35mm range, especially if you consider MF lenses that lack electronic contacts, but still deliver very good optical quality. The lens I chose for the NEX6 was the Sigma 30/2.8 DN (replaced by the DN Art). Although it lacks OSS, the size is great and 2.8 is reasonably fast.

I replaced that lens with my current choice, the Sigma 30/1.4 DC DN. Initially, I was disappointed with my results on the NEX6, never seemed to nail focus at 1.4, had to stop it down. But on every other E/FE body, it's been stunning. Gone on to purchase the other Sigma 1.4's-16mm and 56mm, and that's my kit on the a6600. Still want something a bit longer, but the LA-EA5 has made waiting SO much easier! Really love the 100/2 and 200/2.8 HS Minolta's on the a6600 with full AF abilities.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Phil Wood Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 April 2021 at 17:49
The 55-210 seems the only option in terms of size and price with the added advantage of OSS - what else could replace it for less than £150?

I tried Howard's Sigma 30/2.8 and Samyang 35/2.8 (presumably the same as the Rokinon) and found both very useable - AF is important to me. I only had them on the camera for a short time, not enough to develop a preference. The few shots I took came out well, I don't think I'd be disappointed with either and both are within my budgetary horizons.

An LA-EA4 is also high on the want list - perhaps if I get one before the 55-210 my DT 50-200 will suffice for a while, or even the DT 18-200, which I used recently and was surprised by how much I liked it. The adapter will also enable an UWA option with my Sigma 10-18. But, if I'm going to carry a bag of A-mount lenses I'd be better off taking an A-mount body with IBIS.

I'm not really looking for f1.4 performance, I wouldn't turn it down, but I'm not ready to pay for it. To be honest I'd rather have a Minolta/Sony 35/1.4 that I can use on A mount too - still waiting for that one to plummet in price.

One problem is that it is too easy to start thinking of this purchase as the basis for my entire photography - with lots of lens decisions to make - but it isn't, it's a small, easy to carry holiday snapper. I don't see it featuring in many Dyxum challenges.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 April 2021 at 18:42
I for years used E-mount with just the Sigma 19/2.8 and the under appreciated Sony 50/1.8 OSS. At that time I also had a Sigma 30/2.8, without using it much. After it broke, I got the Sony 35/1.8 OSS that I like better.

I added the 10-18.4 OSS that is really likeable as I used to use it as a city trip combo - all you need for that is a ultra wide and a short tele prime imho.

Anyway, Sony should release something in between the 55-210 and the 70-350G. That is a huge gap imho.
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