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    Posted: 28 August 2019 at 11:02
Live feed of the Sony announcement.

Leaked product sheets posted at SAR.

They are sticking with the A6x00 body for better or worse.

16-55G lacks OSS which might be the optimal choice as far as image quality/size. It matches Fuji's offering in range and lack of optical stabilization. It gets the G designation unlike the A77's zoom. Smaller 67 mm filter thread like the compact Tamron F2.8 zooms.

I wanted more of a 35-400, but this 70-350 might be interesting. F4.5-6.3 is a little disappointing. Not sure on the size and weight. Hopefully lighter than the FE 70-300G OSS. It should support 20 FPS while FE G OSS zooms do not.

The A6100 looks like a good A6000 update.

No A5200. Maybe the A5100 was already too much for that chassis.

The A6600 will probably remain a niche camera like the A6500. I don't see it selling as well as the A7III, but it may have better margins.

Edited by QuietOC - 29 August 2019 at 12:21
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Kilkry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 August 2019 at 12:17
Cool update I must say. It seemed everybody in the blogo/youtubesphere thought the A6500 was a dinosaur when the A6400 arrived. Maybe if you only photograph moving things or use OSS lenses or live in California : )

I hope the A6100 has at least the feel of the NEX 6. I thought the A6000 was a downgrade in how solid it felt in the hand compared to the NEX 6 and as I understand it the A6300 and A6500 felt solid too.

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Originally posted by Kilkry Kilkry wrote:

I hope the A6100 has at least the feel of the NEX 6. I thought the A6000 was a downgrade in how solid it felt in the hand compared to the NEX 6 and as I understand it the A6300 and A6500 felt solid too.

The A6100 seems to be reusing the A6000 body. That and the EVF seems to be how it is cheaper than the A6300/A6400. It is getting the new flip forward rear touch screen.

A6000->A6100
A6300->A6400
A6500->A6600

The A6000 might finally be discontinued.

These are still enthusiast entry-level models like the A65. There is still an opportunity for an A7000.

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Sorry. Expecting something a little better for the 6600. It's the exAct same specs as the 6400 except it has a larger battery and ibis. All my lenses have oss that I would use for this camera personally being the 100-400 and 200-600. Poor upgrade imo. Sony could have done better.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Kilkry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 August 2019 at 18:15
Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:


The A6100 seems to be reusing the A6000 body.



Could be, we'll see.

I'm cautiously optimistic regarding the 70-350g. A native handy tele zoom with stabilization size-specced for APS-C would be nice (the FE 70-300 starts at SEK13000, the E 70-350g has a "recommended price of SEK10000" according to a popular S photo site, that severely depends on what all the resellers agree to set the price to however.).

I think it's great that Sony is showing some substantial interest in APS-C again.

CNC_RED: The two major complaints I've seen levelled at the A6400 are the battery and lack of ibis..well, occasional complaints, it seems the A6400 made most people swoon. What would you have liked to see especially in the A6600? (Or would like to see in the A7000?)
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Still the same old sensor, no forefinger dial. Meh.... Disappointed.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 August 2019 at 18:48
At first I was happy: the APS-C tele zoom I asked for, but unfortunately not quite. It is difficult to decide between the 70-300G and 70-350G:
Weight: FF - 854g APS - 625g
Filter: FF - 72mm APS - 67mm
So far so good, but:
Length: FF - 143,5 APS - 142mm
MFD: FF - 900mm APS - 1100mm
Price: FF - 1249,- APS - 899,- (but used the FF is also 899,-)

It is lighter, but about the same size as the full frame one.
It is cheaper but not by that much.

No the question is, do I pre-order even if it is not as small as I want to or do I go with the full frame lens as I can use that one on my A7r2 as well as my A6x00 cameras.....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 August 2019 at 19:08
Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

Still the same old sensor, no forefinger dial. Meh.... Disappointed.
It is not about the bodies, but the lenses - Sony is signalling there is live in APS-C
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 August 2019 at 19:20
I assume the A6600 and A6100 still lack Lens Compensation for A-mount lenses and are still limited to 3 FPS AF-C with adapted lenses.

Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

Still the same old sensor, no forefinger dial. Meh.... Disappointed.

As far as I know every Alpha before the ILCE-3000 had front controls most often as the only control. These probably should have kept the NEX branding. They are another system. Maybe we can blame the NEX 7 designer.



Edited by QuietOC - 28 August 2019 at 19:51
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Post Options Post Options   Quote minolta_mutley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 August 2019 at 20:02
I'm reading a lot of Disappointed - so i'm Disappointed in the whole new offering.
It's a complete waste of time/money/resources by Sony - unless the sensors made a big jump forward (we still haven't seen those results). The AF 'll be better that's the only positive thing i can think of - right now (i'm looking at it the way i use these camera's).

I'm expecting the A5000, A6000, A6500 'll be discontinued.

Still the old FW50 into the a6400+a6100 - good for us, bad news for the ones hoping for more battery power - the A6600 has the new battery and a deeper grip.
In fact we get about the same, a little extra more computing-power and jacked-up prices. May i formulate it in those harsh words?

Will there ever be a replacement for the A58, A68, A77II? It's about time Sony changes the a-mount camera's too - take the mirror out - and use the AF-on-sensor.

There's still the A7SIII of course - Sony has to make things up with us - make it fast, more pixels, same IQ, and lower-priced. We're not demanding too much i hope?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 August 2019 at 20:45
The FW50 has plenty of power for APS-C cameras and keeps the cameras nice and small. I am glad my A6400 has the small grip.
The AF is impressive.
The MSRP of the A6600 is the same as the A6500. Hardly jacked up prices.

Re. A-mount: it has been asked before, what about an adaptor with a screw drive motor. No need for a dedicated A mount camera.

Used my A99m2 last weekend and it really is a joy to use.

Having said this, the lenses are the real news. The cameras are just place holders, the real news are the lenses. Let us discuss those!
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Those complaining about the same old sensor: What were you anticipating? It's been said that sensor efficiency is reaching - or has effectively reached - a plateau, so expectations of continual improvement in that area need to be tempered.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 August 2019 at 21:14
Some want a marginally higher resolution sensor like the 32.5 MP sensor in the latest Canon models. I am interested in how that new Canon sensor performs, but it can't offer much more detail.

24 MP works quite well for video. 12 and 48 MP are good even multiples for video too. The later would be native 8K UHD.

The A6300+ sensor does seem to be a bit less efficient than Sony's other current sensors. The IBIS equipped models also seem to a bit worse than the non IBIS models.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 August 2019 at 21:57
It's a pity that IBIS has become a high-spec product differentiator in E-mount when every A-mount had it as standard. Otherwise I might be interested in upgrading.
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