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Post Options Post Options   Quote minolta_mutley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 August 2019 at 23:20
It's a pity the a6000 will go - it creates a higher amount of 's to get into the E-mount APS-C. 1000 will drive entry-users into the competition.

I was thinking about replacing my a6000 with a new entry camera - well at this pricepoint that idea has evaporated - i do agree with Miranda F that i'm not upgrading for the same reason.

The new lenses - my reaction on that is - is that it? The 16-55 needs OSS, the 70-350 needed f5.6 at the longer focal end. Both 'll be optically nice - the AF won't be a problem. But the selling numbers 'll stay rather low - i'm afraid.
 



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The new lenses don't excite me, other than indicating that there is still development happening in the APS-C space.

I'm not sure what the a6600 would offer me over the a6500. I use my a6500 when I don't want to carry A99ii kit - which may be my decision for the next fortnight while I'm in Japan again. Apart from having a bent EVF which has no effect on performance, just aesthetics (maybe from getting snagged on my camera bag?), the a6500 does what it needs to do.

I hear the complaints about the battery life, but I carry a couple of spares and haven't yet needed to use a third battery in a day. Changing to the bigger battery means that it doesn't play so well with the a6500, but it's better as an APS-C complement to the newer A7s.

Still only 24 MP sensor? Shhh, don't tell anyone, but sometimes I don't want more than that, especially on the road.

Is the AF better than that of the a6500? Does it include the latest AF magic from some of the Sony lineup?

If my a6500 were to die, then the new a6600 sounds like a reasonable replacement, but I won't be rushing to pre-order one.

Edited by adhox - 29 August 2019 at 12:43
A99ii + 16-35Z | 24-70Z | 24-105 | 70-200G | 100-300 | 70-300G
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Originally posted by Kilkry Kilkry wrote:

Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:


The A6100 seems to be reusing the A6000 body.



Could be, we'll see.

I'm cautiously optimistic regarding the 70-350g. A native handy tele zoom with stabilization size-specced for APS-C would be nice (the FE 70-300 starts at SEK13000, the E 70-350g has a "recommended price of SEK10000" according to a popular S photo site, that severely depends on what all the resellers agree to set the price to however.).

I think it's great that Sony is showing some substantial interest in APS-C again.

CNC_RED: The two major complaints I've seen levelled at the A6400 are the battery and lack of ibis..well, occasional complaints, it seems the A6400 made most people swoon. What would you have liked to see especially in the A6600? (Or would like to see in the A7000?)


Pretty simple. If it's a flagship apsc I want an af system similar to the a9 which does 60 af calculations per second. The d500 is an apsc d5. Why can't we have an apsc a9?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote LAbernethy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 August 2019 at 02:46
The A6600 sounds interesting. The AF and ISO performance coupled with the Z battery makes this the first E-mount APSC camera from Sony I might consider purchasing. The Environmental sealing sounds iffy; or is that just me?
Good but not good enough for me to move from A-mount.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Kilkry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 August 2019 at 06:20
Originally posted by Kilkry Kilkry wrote:

Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:


The A6100 seems to be reusing the A6000 body.



Could be, we'll see.



Statement retracted.

Saw a shot of one of the presentation slides (perhaps?) in this article https://www.kamerabild.se/nyheter/sony-a6100-a6600-slappta-med-prestanda-fran-flaggskeppet some ways down. "Engineering plastic", same as the A6000 and unlike the rest.
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For someone who is stuck in the dark "A mount ages", I would find the new A6600 pretty exciting, if I were a new buyer into E mount. That 16-55 f2.8 also looks pretty good

24mp would be fine for me as it's proved itself for many years in my A77ii and A99, but I would miss the front dial and no pop up flash. The A6600 would be my travel camera, so the pop up would be very handy. Focusing, touch screen, 2.36M-dot OLED viewfinder and great video all big plusses for me.

I guess it all boils down to where you are on the E mount food chain. If you are like me and not into E mount yet, the A6600 would be my go to as a replacement for my A77ii. As a replacement for the A6400, maybe not so much.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 August 2019 at 12:26
Somebody said the new lenses do not exite, without explanation. Why don't they exite? The bodies do not exite as they are pretty predictable. I cheaper build version of the A6400 and a version with IBIS and a larger battery.

I do not feel the need for a bigger battery. The FW50 lasts a full day in APS-C cameras, these are much less power hungry then the full frame cameras. And the battery is small and it is easy to carry a spare.

If you want a pop up flash, get the A6400. Most APS-C lenses have OSS - I have the 10-18 OSS, 16-70 OSS, 35 OSS and 50 OSS for travel. Need a nice Tele lens to complete that. Still unsure if the APS-C 70-350 is it, or the FF 70-300 or even the Canon 70-300 DO IS with my Sigma MC-11 (about 126mm long, weight in between the Sony's)... Choices, choices.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 August 2019 at 12:49
Addy, my $185 Tamron SP 70-300 VC USD works alright on the MC-11. The AF is on the slow side. It is too bad you have to modify either the lens or the MC-11 to get an EF-S 55-250 to mount.

For most of what I use my 55-300 for, stabilization may not be necessary or even helpful. I would like Lens Compensation and more than 3 FPS of AF-C however. I get the former and stabilization if I use the 55-300 on my A7II.

Edited by QuietOC - 29 August 2019 at 13:32
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Post Options Post Options   Quote adhox Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 August 2019 at 12:56
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Somebody said the new lenses do not exite, without explanation. Why don't they exite? The bodies do not exite as they are pretty predictable. I cheaper build version of the A6400 and a version with IBIS and a larger battery.

I do not feel the need for a bigger battery. The FW50 lasts a full day in APS-C cameras, these are much less power hungry then the full frame cameras. And the battery is small and it is easy to carry a spare.

If you want a pop up flash, get the A6400. Most APS-C lenses have OSS - I have the 10-18 OSS, 16-70 OSS, 35 OSS and 50 OSS for travel. Need a nice Tele lens to complete that. Still unsure if the APS-C 70-350 is it, or the FF 70-300 or even the Canon 70-300 DO IS with my Sigma MC-11 (about 126mm long, weight in between the Sony's)... Choices, choices.

That might have been me. The new lenses don't excite me principally because they don't fill a gap for me. For my E-mount use, as a lighter travel kit instead of my A99ii, I'm happy to lose a stop to save weight, and I don't need a long tele zoom.
A99ii + 16-35Z | 24-70Z | 24-105 | 70-200G | 100-300 | 70-300G
20 | 28 | 50 | 100M | 135Z | 135 | 300 | 500
A6600 + 10-18 | 16-70Z | 18-135 | 70-200/4G | 70-350G | 200-600G
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Post Options Post Options   Quote balacau Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 August 2019 at 17:21
Well I've been following the e-mount aps-c release with some interest as I'm pretty sure in the next few months I'll finally invest in the e-mount system to a small degree. I'm less interested in the two lenses then I am in the camera bodies, they seem very expensive for what they are which will probably reduce sales...but I don't claim to be an expert on that and we'll see what happens.

As far as the cameras go, personally this is how I see it.

A6100: Might be a good idea got those who perhaps still use NEX-series or the a5xxx as it seems to be quite an upgrade (in terms of features, AF points and so on) over the a5xxx series and the a6000 as well. The lack of IBIS isn't a big concern I don't think but the reversion back to the small grip certainly is. I know its a personal thing but I find them very uncomfy. I won't be looking at the a6100 as my entry into the e-mount world to be sure. According to the TechRadar site, the body-only price will be around £830GBP.

A6600: Until I saw the price (body only), I thought this just may be the one for me. I kind of see this body as being a merging of the best features of both the a6400 and a6500. Combining IBIS with a larger battery for more shots per charge and the larger grip. Great I thought...and then my eyes popped out of my head when I finally managed to locate the possible UK prices of £1450 (TechRadar again) - body only.    Edited as my local London Camera Exchange now has the £1450 price of the a6600 body only confirmed. Bundle purchase combined with the 18-135mm lens is £1800. Typically, body-only, its £450 over my limit however its still a possibility. I'll just need to wait a bit longer in order to save up.

All in all, I'm happy to see that Sony are still developing the aps-c line in terms of camera bodies and lenses. With the a6300 being supposedly discontinued, it really has fleshed the aps-c line out a bit. It does make me wonder why the a5xxx-series are still being produced but that's another can of worms I suppose.

As for me, its now back to trying to decide if I'm better off getting myself an a7-II, a6400, a6500 or a77-II... Or yes indeed the a6600...if my budget will allow it.   

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From my personal point of view, the big take away of yesterday's announcement is a sigh of relief. Had Sony introduced the "baby a9" super APS-C body, I would be waiting in line with a box of trade-ins when my local dealer finally had it in stock. Since that didn't occur, I will keep my a6300 for the moment, and keep my eye on the price of the a6500 in the next 3-6 months. While the a6600 isn't a disappointment for me, as some have stated, it also doesn't create a lot of excitement either.

For my uses, IBIS is the most important. Currently I own 5 aps-c native E mounts, only two have OSS. I also like to adapt many of my MF lenses, so again IBIS is the important feature. The bigger battery/grip is something I like, but I have 8-FW50's and a Vello VG so power and handling are well covered. The better AF is the big hurdle. I know the newer system is better, but the a6300 isn't my main camera and neither the a6500 or a6600 would change that much (well, maybe a bit).

From a less personal, more general point of view, the new cameras show the Sony will stay in the aps-c arena with newer products, but FF is definitely where most of the innovation will be focused. If the a700-baby a9 isn't a fable, it certainly seems like it's further off than ever. Come on Sony-surprise us!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote trainerKEN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 August 2019 at 19:12
so... according to Brian Smith's blog, in this chart (which is probably straight from Sony), all 3 cameras (a6100, a6400 and a6600) have the same AF system?

I ask because I don't do video and if the a6100 can AF just as good as the a6600, would this make a good APS-C camera for wildlife/birding? Or is that too much wishful thinking?


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Paul07 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 August 2019 at 19:16
When it comes to AF, we have seen major steps of improvement since the Nex-series up to a6300. Now, as far as I am concerned, the performance level of the a6300 is such that I really don't see any reason why I would want anything more.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 August 2019 at 19:27
I am not sure if the Animal Eye AF would actually be helpful for wildlife. I think it is mainly dog/cat portraits--maybe some zoo animals. The Real-time tracking may be helpful for birds-in-flight.

I just used the A7II + MC-11 + 1988 Sigma 400mm F5.6 APO for some wildlife. I haven't inspected the images yet, but the AF seemed quite good. I didn't attempt or need any object tracking.

I should sell my A6000.

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