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Post Options Post Options   Quote balacau Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 August 2019 at 19:33
According to a couple of posts I've read on Facebook, that comparison chart was one of the leaked articles made public not long before the official announcement. How true that is? I have no idea.

As far as the a6100 being suitable for birding or not, I'm not sure. Would you be using the camera on a tripod or freehand? If its the latter, then I'd personally say no due more than anything to the size of the grip. That's going to be pretty uncomfy when using a long lens. Of course that's a personal thing plus with a long lens something like in-body stabilisation might be pretty useful as well...

I wonder if the arrival of the a6100 is finally going to spell the end of production of the a6000?

Originally posted by trainerKEN trainerKEN wrote:

so... according to Brian Smith's blog, in this chart (which is probably straight from Sony), all 3 cameras (a6100, a6400 and a6600) have the same AF system?

I ask because I don't do video and if the a6100 can AF just as good as the a6600, would this make a good APS-C camera for wildlife/birding? Or is that too much wishful thinking?


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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

Addy, my $185 Tamron SP 70-300 VC USD works alright on the MC-11. The AF is on the slow side. It is too bad you have to modify either the lens or the MC-11 to get an EF-S 55-250 to mount.

For most of what I use my 55-300 for, stabilization may not be necessary or even helpful. I would like Lens Compensation and more than 3 FPS of AF-C however. I get the former and stabilization if I use the 55-300 on my A7II.
Yes, the latest Canon 55-250 would be perfect if the MC-11 had the EF-S option I will not butcher my MC-11 and the the 55-250 is too expensive to experiment.

Likewise the Tamron: if it was smaller, it would be my lens of choice. But if I want to use it with the small APS-C lenses, I want something small. That is why I am considering the Canon EF 70-300 DO: the reviews are not that good, but it still is decent enough and it is small. For me, size is probably more important then weight.
I have been thinking about the Sony 55-300, but wondering about the AF as it is already considered slow on dedicated A-mount cameras.

If the 70-350 was smaller, even if it was 70-250, it would be a no brainer.



Originally posted by trainerKEN trainerKEN wrote:

so... according to Brian Smith's blog, in this chart (which is probably straight from Sony), all 3 cameras (a6100, a6400 and a6600) have the same AF system?

I ask because I don't do video and if the a6100 can AF just as good as the a6600, would this make a good APS-C camera for wildlife/birding?
Looks like it is. The video AF of the A6100 is crippled, but apart from that? AF seems the same as all other cameras. Build is noticeably less, EVF is much less, but apart from that and just for stills, the A6100 is very capable!
Love the A6400 even if I used it hardly yet...


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Originally posted by trainerKEN trainerKEN wrote:

so... according to Brian Smith's blog, in this chart (which is probably straight from Sony), all 3 cameras (a6100, a6400 and a6600) have the same AF system?

I ask because I don't do video and if the a6100 can AF just as good as the a6600, would this make a good APS-C camera for wildlife/birding? Or is that too much wishful thinking?


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Good point.

I still can't wrap my head around using the A6*** for wildlife and birding, they just don't seem right. It's a personal thing and I would have to try them out before I would be convinced, so will stick to my A mounts for now (and because I can't afford to switch at the moment )

That said, Brian's chart does put things into clearer perspective. The A6100 appears to compete very well, and at a better price. Two things I do prefer in the A6600 are IBIS and a bigger grip, which for me would make a difference in wildlife/bird photography.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Kilkry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 August 2019 at 09:04
Originally posted by ABDurbs ABDurbs wrote:




Good point.

I still can't wrap my head around using the A6*** for wildlife and birding, they just don't seem right. It's a personal thing and I would have to try them out before I would be convinced, so will stick to my A mounts for now (and because I can't afford to switch at the moment )

That said, Brian's chart does put things into clearer perspective. The A6100 appears to compete very well, and at a better price. Two things I do prefer in the A6600 are IBIS and a bigger grip, which for me would make a difference in wildlife/bird photography.


Yes, the A6500/6600 grip looks better, the rest look like my A6000 and whenever I put the MC11 and Sigma 100-400 on it (AFs well because 'Sigma global vision' lens) I realize how much better the A7rii grip/handle feels.

I suppose an A6000/6300/6100/6400 would need something akin to https://www.smallrig.com/smallrig-sony-a6500-ilce-6500-wooden-handgrip-1970.html ,i.e cage + grip, in order to work better ergonomically with tele lenses?

Have thought about upgrading the A6000 to perhaps the A6300 but it has the same gnomish grip and I don't have very large hands. Works fine for small lenses, less so for larger teles.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote balacau Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 August 2019 at 09:33
Agreed on the points raised about a small body with tiny grip like the a6100 and its use with larger lenses. Maybe it wouldn't make too much difference if the lens was tripod mounted but freehand won't be a comfy experience to be sure.

I don't suppose anyone knows for sure yet but I wonder if the a6600 IBIS works better when the camera is used with adapted lenses than the a6500? Certainly worth one of those side by side comparison videos that are all the rage on YouTube I think.

I guess I'll need some overtime in first but the a6600 is looking a bit more likely for me as my first e-mount body. With an LAEA3 adapter, pretty much good to go.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 August 2019 at 11:15
Let us talk about the grip.

My Canon EF 400/5.6 on the A6400 with the MC-11 is just fine - the lens is not that heavy or fat, it is long, but it is quite manageable.

My Sony SAL 70-400G with the LA-EA1 (LA-EA3) is unyielding as it is heavy and fat. But, and that is important, it is the same on the A7r2 with a bigger grip. You need to hold the lens, and just use the body to aim it. I doubt the difference between the A6600 and the A6400 will make a real difference to me. It seems I am different then Kilkry as I don't feel the difference as much between the A6000 and the A7r2.

The problem/advantage of all these cameras is the the bodies are really small. The 70-400G is a joy on the A99m2, not so much on E-mount.

The A6600 grip looks better, but I am used to the grip of the A6000/A6400 and like the light weight and small size of these cameras with the small and light APS-C lenses with OSS (therefore, I do not need IBIS).

One side remark: I think that Sony should sell an APS-C camera in an A7/A9 style body priced between the A6600 and the A7r3 for wildlife and sports were it is advantageous to have the viewfinder in the center and weight and size is not that important. For street and casual use, the A6x00 form factor is really nice.
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The A7II doesn't feel at all like the A6000 to me. I wouldn't have bought it if it did.

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I keep saying that the pricing of the A6600 is a little too high(100 less 'd be a lot better), the same goes for the A6100. 900 while the A6400 is only 50 more - Why did Sony bother building the A6100? I think we'll see a price drop for the a6100 - i think they'll lower the price with 100.

It also seems the A6000 and a6500 'll stay in production - Why on earth did Sony choose this option? (i'm being harsh on Sony - but i'm not the only one).

There's even more not-so-good news - the article about the A7III - and bad shutters at fstoppers.com: https://fstoppers.com/originals/does-sony-have-problem-failing-shutters-a7-iii-402365 - but that should be in another thread i assume.

Sony has some serious fixing to do - and i hope the A7SIII 'll be there soon.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 August 2019 at 16:07
Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

The A7II doesn't feel at all like the A6000 to me. I wouldn't have bought it if it did.
I did not say the grip feels the same, what I said, or wanted to say, was that the difference doesn't make a relevant difference when using big lenses.

Originally posted by minolta_mutley minolta_mutley wrote:

I keep saying that the pricing of the A6600 is a little too high(100 less 'd be a lot better), the same goes for the A6100. 900 while the A6400 is only 50 more - Why did Sony bother building the A6100? I think we'll see a price drop for the a6100 - i think they'll lower the price with 100.
The A6400 is 1049, so the difference is 150,-. That is about right IMHO.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Kilkry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 August 2019 at 17:28
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

] I did not say the grip feels the same, what I said, or wanted to say, was that the difference doesn't make a relevant difference when using big lenses.


https://www.sony.com/electronics/camera-lenses/sel70350g : the shot of it being carried beachside with a neckstrap as a wriststrap makes it look pretty susceptible to the mini grip of the A6000 and the likes. It's all guesswork at the moment and highly subjective all the time, though :)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 August 2019 at 20:32
Originally posted by Kilkry Kilkry wrote:

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

] I did not say the grip feels the same, what I said, or wanted to say, was that the difference doesn't make a relevant difference when using big lenses.


https://www.sony.com/electronics/camera-lenses/sel70350g : the shot of it being carried beachside with a neckstrap as a wriststrap makes it look pretty susceptible to the mini grip of the A6000 and the likes. It's all guesswork at the moment and highly subjective all the time, though :)
That is the way I carry my cameras often And yeah, people differ, it is subjective.
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There seems to be a lot of disappointment with the new releases. As someone who went from a DSLR to the A6500 i was expecting the cameras to maybe have that real WOW factor and it didnt seem to be there. However I went from the A6300 to A6500 and while there were not massive changes there were small things which just made me really like the camera. The more reviews i see of the A6600 the more it seems to have those small incremental differences that make the camera seem pretty decent. I agree the two lenses seem expensive but all new camera equipment these days seems to be going that way. When I brought the A99 back in 2013 it cost around £1400 in those days it was Sony's flag ship camera, Sonys flag ship camera now the A9 cost £3400. The two news lenses seem decent and certainly the 70-350 is the lens i was looking for, decent zoom range and light weight and will work nicely for the sort of photography i do. Im looking forward to seeing some real world reviews on this equipment both the lenses and the bodies so a more informed opinion can be made.
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Originally posted by morph1970 morph1970 wrote:

There seems to be a lot of disappointment with the new releases.

I think there's a huge amount more hype about coming new releases than there ever was years ago, what with the rumours websites and all the video blogs. In times past you decided it ewas time to upgrade your ten-year-old camera, you looked at the systems and looked at the cameras in the shops - maybe even read a review in the AP - and then bought one. Then after another few years you might hear of some new features coming and decide you might upgrade again.
Today people seem to expect every camera manfuacturer to keep producing new variants with *exactly* the set of features they themselves most want, and will complain bitterly on social media if it doesn't come, or does come and doesn't have every feature they claim to need.
Anyone would think you couldn't take a decent picture without 40Mp and perfect eye-AF. I wonder how all those great images of the past got taken with manual focus and manual exposure?
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Certainly the last 2 posts have really got me thinking, not just about the two newly released e-mount cameras but about technology in general.

Firstly, any company trying to sell its products will try the age-old tactic that the new model is better than the old one for various reasons. This goes for pretty much regardless of any product you can think of, phones, cameras, computers, cars, pretty much anything you can think of with some level of tech integral to its design (even if it didn't start out that way initially).

The point morph1970 made about waiting for more informed and in-depth reviews appearing (it won't be long I'm sure) is a good one. There are endless comments concerning if people think the cameras or lenses are any good but its already been said on this discussion that its pretty much all theoretical and opinion-based. I look forward to seeing some decent reviews on youtube (hopefully Christopher Frost, Matt Grainger or someone else who is at their standard). I have faith that they are about as impartial as you can get really - which is a tough thing to do.

Miranda F, your point about the general hype concerning a new product is indeed a very good one. Certainly with Social Media, there is a huge amount of hype going on about pretty much every soon-to-be-released product out there. Its true that manufacturers tend to capitalise on this to some extent as it means they should be able to generate enough interest to sell more. Also, concerning people moaning about cameras which lack the specific features they want, there's just something in that which intrigues me really as its very true. I almost got caught up in that myself with the a6400 v a6500 (advanced AF v IBIS) debate. You can have the most technologically advanced camera in the world, but it won't suit everyone. What works for some won't work for all. A very thought-provoking post that was, nicely done.

I'm going to go back to the drawing board yet again and decide on where to go from my a-mount a68. Due to financial reasons, my options are limited but I'm fairly certain it won't be that long before I invest in an e-mount body and a simple lens like the FE 50mm F1.8 to get me started.
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