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Originally posted by 2manycamera 2manycamera wrote:

New, the la-ea4 is running $300 ($50 rebate on $350 original price), used prices only slightly better. B&H has a used one for$239, KEH for $257. eBay average looks to be in the $220-250 range. That being said, the la-ea4 is the right choice to get the most use of those lenses on the a7 III. If you have time to be patient, you can likely find the la-ea4 in the $200 range, though I don't know how much willingness you have with waiting for a bargain.

One however, on something you didn't ask about and may not care about: the a7 cameras are brilliant using MF lenses,especially with in body stabilization. I have two FE AF lenses, the 28-70 and 50/1.8, as well as both the la-ea4 & 3, yet over 80% of the photos I take with the a7 are with MF lenses. Between the magnification and the peaking focus, manual focus is very accurate and fast. Not AF fast, but fast. Subjects with lots of motion are still better with AF, but anything else MF lenses are a great way to expand the capability of the a7 line.


I had experienced KM 17-35 with LAEA3 so in MF.
I didn't like it much.
The fact that it isn't magnifying automatically might be the reason why.
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Originally posted by neilt3 neilt3 wrote:

Forgot about the 28-105mm , it is one I've heard gives good results for the money .
Normally I use Minolta(& Sony digital ) gear and have all the lenses I need for that system , but there's times where I use the Canon stuff .
I do already have the old 28-135mm IS USM lens and for wider I have the Sigma 15-30mm lens that I like . Both are quite bulky lenses , so I'll probably look at the 2nd version of the 28-105mm .That one has the focus distance window and I.R correction index which I can make use off . Close focus seems better too .

FWIW: The Canon 28-105 F3.5-4.5 II USM isn't as good optically as my Minolta 28-105 F3.5-4.5 RS. Maybe I should stop comparing old Canon zooms to Minoltas. :)

These are internal focus zooms--maybe the dimensions of the MC-11 are more off than those of the LA-EA3.

Edited by QuietOC - 15 March 2019 at 10:04
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 March 2019 at 19:05
So, Minolta enthusiast lenses were better then Canon's.

If the MC-11 was -slightly- off, we would know as that would be the same with higher end lenses.
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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

Originally posted by neilt3 neilt3 wrote:

Forgot about the 28-105mm , it is one I've heard gives good results for the money .
Normally I use Minolta(& Sony digital ) gear and have all the lenses I need for that system , but there's times where I use the Canon stuff .
I do already have the old 28-135mm IS USM lens and for wider I have the Sigma 15-30mm lens that I like . Both are quite bulky lenses , so I'll probably look at the 2nd version of the 28-105mm .That one has the focus distance window and I.R correction index which I can make use off . Close focus seems better too .

FWIW: The Canon 28-105 F3.5-4.5 II USM isn't as good optically as my Minolta 28-105 F3.5-4.5 RS. Maybe I should stop comparing old Canon zooms to Minoltas. :)

These are internal focus zooms--maybe the dimensions of the MC-11 are more off than those of the LA-EA3.


The Minolta 28-105 F3.5-4.5 RS my main walk around lens on both my sony a900 and Minolta film cameras , it's one I'm happy with .
It'll be a shame if the canon ones not as good , but I'll likely give it a go ...
I have the old canon 28-135mm USM IS which is a bit bulky to carry when I using the Sigma 120-400mm image stabilized lens on film bodies .
I've tried to find someone who's used the 24-105mm STM on film rather than digital to find out what the image quality is like without the software correction , but drawn a blank .
As I'm still planning on getting either a Sony a7mk II or III these lenses would get use on that rather than using my Minolta's via the LA-EA4 .( probably !)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote neilt3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 March 2019 at 01:58
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

So, Minolta enthusiast lenses were better then Canon's.



Well , we've always known that !    
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 March 2019 at 02:10
Originally posted by neilt3 neilt3 wrote:


I've tried to find someone who's used the 24-105mm STM on film rather than digital to find out what the image quality is like without the software correction , but drawn a blank .

Lens Compensation is pretty handy for normal zooms. I picked up the Sony 28-75 F2.8 SAM since it has that support. It is too bad there's no support for the Sony 24-105 or any of the Minoltas.
As I'm still planning on getting either a Sony a7mk II or III these lenses would get use on that rather than using my Minolta's via the LA-EA4 .( probably !)

The Canon 22-55, 24-85, and 28-105 II focus well on the A7II/MC-11.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 March 2019 at 08:47
Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

It is too bad there's no support for the Sony 24-105 or any of the Minoltas.
I have a Lightroom profile for the Minolta/Sony 24-105/3.5-4.5. I can send that to you if you want.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 March 2019 at 09:42
Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

The Canon 22-55, 24-85, and 28-105 II focus well on the A7II/MC-11.
The 22-55 - what did you think of that one? It is not regarded well as it is basically an APS-C lens that also can do full frame. However, the range is great!

Originally posted by neilt3 neilt3 wrote:

I've tried to find someone who's used the 24-105mm STM on film rather than digital to find out what the image quality is like without the software correction , but drawn a blank.
Cameras before the 5D mark III only offered vignetting adjustment. imaging-resource.com tested it on the Canon 1Ds mark III and found it "significantly soft in the corners when used at its widest apertures, and you'll have to stop down significantly (f/8 or f/11) to get the best performance out of the lens."

Do you like the results of your 28-135? A 28-105/3.5-4.5 will be comparable. Did you consider the Tamron 28-75?
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

The Canon 22-55, 24-85, and 28-105 II focus well on the A7II/MC-11.
The 22-55 - what did you think of that one? It is not regarded well as it is basically an APS-C lens that also can do full frame. However, the range is great!

Yes, I was interested in the range. It is a nice, cheap kit lens. It doesn't have full-time manual focus like the other two, but it is pretty similar otherwise. It is probably not as nice as the Minolta V 22-80 F4-5.6.

Edited by QuietOC - 16 March 2019 at 10:13
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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

The Canon 22-55, 24-85, and 28-105 II focus well on the A7II/MC-11.
The 22-55 - what did you think of that one? It is not regarded well as it is basically an APS-C lens that also can do full frame. However, the range is great!

Yes, I was interested in the range. It is a nice, cheap kit lens. It doesn't have full-time manual focus like the other two, but it is pretty similar otherwise. It is probably not as nice as the Minolta V 22-80 F4-5.6.
You mean the IQ is comparable to the 28-105 or to other kitlenses? If the first, I might pick one up i
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Zooms are hard to evaluate. The EF 22-55 F4-5.6 USM definitely has some optical problems, but it is pretty sharp wide-open in the center across its range. It is comparable to the late Minolta kit lenses and the DT 18-55.
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Originally posted by neilt3 neilt3 wrote:


I've tried to find someone who's used the 24-105mm STM on film rather than digital to find out what the image quality is like without the software correction , but drawn a blank .


Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:


Lens Compensation is pretty handy for normal zooms. I picked up the Sony 28-75 F2.8 SAM since it has that support. It is too bad there's no support for the Sony 24-105 or any of the Minoltas.


However.... if the Canon 24-105mm STM only gives good image quality with the aid of software correction then it's of no use to me as I also intend to use it with film cameras and print in a darkroom . so no computers involved .
A reason I try avoid using the Minolta 24-105mm on film is due to vignetting .Not an issue with digital or scanned film images , but no good in the darkroom .

Manufacturers of modern lenses seem to be relying more on correcting flaws either in camera or on a PC rather than doing a good job in the first place . And were not talking cheep kit lenses here either .


Originally posted by neilt3 neilt3 wrote:

As I'm still planning on getting either a Sony a7mk II or III these lenses would get use on that rather than using my Minolta's via the LA-EA4 .( probably !)



Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

The Canon 22-55, 24-85, and 28-105 II focus well on the A7II/MC-11.


I have a 22-55 that I got to use on a EOS 450d that was modified for astrophotography ( the reason I started with canon gear as well as Sony/Minolta , on that camera it was fine but on film and the original 5d I didn't reckon much of it .
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Originally posted by pegelli pegelli wrote:

Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

It is too bad there's no support for the Sony 24-105 or any of the Minoltas.
I have a Lightroom profile for the Minolta/Sony 24-105/3.5-4.5. I can send that to you if you want.


I would love a copy of that , with easy instructions on where to put it so it works on Lightroom .

Years ago David Kilpatric made it available on his website , I downloaded it but couldn't figure out where to "put" it so it worked .
Hence I could never find it in the "Profiles" section in LR when I was using it .

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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

The Canon 22-55, 24-85, and 28-105 II focus well on the A7II/MC-11.
The 22-55 - what did you think of that one? It is not regarded well as it is basically an APS-C lens that also can do full frame. However, the range is great!

Yes, I was interested in the range. It is a nice, cheap kit lens. It doesn't have full-time manual focus like the other two, but it is pretty similar otherwise. It is probably not as nice as the Minolta V 22-80 F4-5.6.


The Minolta Vectis 22-80mm is a great little lens .
I use one on my NEX 7 with the Monster Adapter , and on APS film ( and the Dimage RD-3000 DSLR ).Manual focus on the Sony's though .
Not sure on how the coverage will be on full frame though .
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