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LAbernethy ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 25 November 2015 Country: Canada Location: Ajax, Ontario Status: Offline Posts: 2792 |
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If you set the "Bad" camera to "M" and take a photo at 1/30 2.8; what do you get? Is the AEL button functioning freely and correctly (not stuck)? In cleaning mode "Menu" "wrench" "3" fourth down (mirror lock up); look at the sensor with a flash light. What colour is it? Edited by LAbernethy - 21 February 2022 at 06:11 |
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SnowFella ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 21 April 2013 Country: Australia Location: Sydney Status: Offline Posts: 2601 |
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Quite a bit more than 3 stops there, more along the line of 8 stops unless my maths is off!
Indeed be interesting to know what a shot using the known working camera's settings looks like. What does the view through the OVF look like, brighter or the same as the known good camera? And does the AF work as it should? |
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Hobgoblin ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 25 November 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Posts: 1508 |
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I seem to remember that an unoffical version of firmware upgrade was around years ago that sony later released. I didn't have the A700 long enough to worry about it. Googled it and found this https://www.flickr.com/groups/sony_alpha/discuss/72157607219096556/ Maybe your v4 was the unofficial one. |
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Phil Wood ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 24 March 2013 Country: United Kingdom Location: England Status: Offline Posts: 2361 |
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The best thing to do is as Lee suggested - take a shot with the bad camera setting Aperture, Speed and ISO manually to match that of the good camera. I suspect you will get a good shot, which would confirm that it is the exposure metering that is off (7.5 stops - unless the two cameras had different ISO settings).
I don't have an A700, but I'm guessing you can do EV adjustment of */- 3 stops - it would be worth checking to see if this has an effect at +3 ie dark (4.5 stops off) but not black photos. Interesting idea about the AEL button, that could do it if it got stuck in a very bright moment. Does the exposure reading in the viewfinder change as you move from lighter to darker or vice versa? It is also worth swapping the lenses over just to make sure it isn't your lens reporting duff info to the exposure system (though 7.5 stops seems a lot of misreporting). |
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Micholand ![]() Admin Group ![]() Knowledgebase Contributor Joined: 30 October 2005 Country: Germany Location: MUC Status: Offline Posts: 16701 |
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Hobgoblin ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 25 November 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Posts: 1508 |
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Yes it is but before V4 was officially released a leaked version was circulating and it could be that some of these got corrupted as they were passed around between people. |
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gigo ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 28 March 2008 Country: Japan Location: Yokohama Status: Offline Posts: 418 |
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It was so vague that I couldn't find the source, so I was silently watching.
I feel like I've seen a story like this. --- Since the photometric element and the image sensor are different models (700 is so), there is an adjustment method in the service manual (I have not confirmed if it really exists) If an amateur does this without a jig or dedicated software, the adjustment will go wrong and it will be black. .. You should not try the contents of the service manual easily. --- |
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macronut ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 05 October 2012 Country: United States Location: United States Status: Offline Posts: 811 |
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Thanks everyone for the input. As of tonight this is my findings…
Set both cameras to A mode. The functioning A700 fired at 1/30 2.8, with a normal result. The faulty A700 fired at 1/8000 2.8, with a black photo, essentially the same comparison result as when I tested them in Auto. Also the shutter speed was flashing, so the camera recognized it was not the proper setting. In M mode, with both cameras set to 1/30 2.8, the results are much closer, but not normal or acceptable. The functioning camera takes a perfect shot, while the other takes a recognizable, yet darker image. And after firing them side by side one after the other numerous times, I can definitely say that there is an audible difference. The faulty camera often has a squeaky sound, but not every shot. Edited by macronut - 22 February 2022 at 03:44 |
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macronut ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 05 October 2012 Country: United States Location: United States Status: Offline Posts: 811 |
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The comparison camera has never had a firmware update. In fact, the donor to my experiment said that his A700 had never been fired up until a few weeks ago. I found a reset in the settings, but it didn’t reset the firmware to version 1 |
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macronut ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 05 October 2012 Country: United States Location: United States Status: Offline Posts: 811 |
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Both camera sensors appear the same greenish color and look clean. AEL button seems normal. |
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macronut ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 05 October 2012 Country: United States Location: United States Status: Offline Posts: 811 |
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As I move in and out of light and dark rooms, the shutter speed doesn’t change. The aperture goes back and forth from f9 and f8. Adjusting EV +3 makes a world of difference. What would be a black photo, becomes pretty normal. |
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macronut ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 05 October 2012 Country: United States Location: United States Status: Offline Posts: 811 |
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Sitting here in a dimly lit room. Good camera is choosing a slow shutter speed and has the steady shot warning symbol ✋⚠️ Flashing, with or without the steady shot function turned on. Apparently this is the camera’s metering system alerting the user to a possible improper (slow) shutter speed for the scene. The faulty camera is setting itself at 1000 and does not display this warning.
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Micholand ![]() Admin Group ![]() Knowledgebase Contributor Joined: 30 October 2005 Country: Germany Location: MUC Status: Offline Posts: 16701 |
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![]() And a camera FW can't be downgraded... |
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macronut ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 05 October 2012 Country: United States Location: United States Status: Offline Posts: 811 |
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I assumed it could not be downgraded, but wasn’t certain.
The seller claims to be the original owner, and says he doesn’t remember ever updating the firmware. The serial numbers aren’t that far apart, but who knows. Sooo… what the heck is wrong with this camera? |
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