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    Posted: 13 October 2018 at 09:18
Hello,

Could be fate telling me to spend more of what spare time is available editing photos instead of being out producing new ones for this morning I was here http://suncalc.net/#/59.2673,16.121,15/2018.10.13/10:06 for the sunrise and was shooting fall foliage with my A7rii + MC11 + Canon EF 35/2.
Suddenly an exposure sounded like a slightly punctured and drawn out version of the A7rii's normal shuttersound and after that the camera won't open the shutter.

-There's no camera error when turning it on, I can see the menu.
-Shaking/hitting the camera slightly on the side has had no effect.
-Removing and replacing the battery and trying again has had no effect.
-A different lens (native) has had no effect, neither has turning in body stabilization off had.

This last shot was exposure nr 22450 says exiftool. I've had it since 19k (got a good price) and all reports of shutter life expectancy I've seen have been north of 100k. https://luminous-landscape.com/sony-a7rii-review-and-hands-on-report/ says 500k.

Thanks for any advice or insight.



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I'm assuming you have no warranty?

You say it won't open the shutter - so when you take the lens off you can actually see the shutter (normally you would see the sensor)?

If the shutter is open, does it fail to take a shot in all modes?

Does it make a difference if you change from/to electronic first curtain?

Do any of the video options work?

- having said that, I'd imagine that it needs a proper service in any case - even if some modes worked I'd suspect that the problem might get worse as it sounds like something has come adrift..
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Kilkry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 October 2018 at 10:32
Thanks for your reply. Answers:

-No warranty.

-Yes, shutter is visible and appears fully 'closed', covering the entire sensor.

-In silent shooting it exposes, but it's a very black frame.

-> I tried turning silent shooting off and taking a shot and got "camera error, cycle power please", which remained even after the camera had been switched off. Removed the battery and reinserted it, power on..ok, silent shooting was still on and I saw something in the finder! (heavily vignetted, had an aps-c lens on), tried taking a shot with silent: ok. Tried with silent off again, appears ok! Trie without e-first curtain, still ok!

Omen! Must produce photos for dyxum this weekend!

(I don't suppose there are any magic words I can whisper to it to make drive farther away from the cliff edge?)



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I'd attack it with a blower while holding the camera mount down. It might just be a chunk of dust stuck in the shutter mechanism.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 October 2018 at 07:33
Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

I'd attack it with a blower while holding the camera mount down. It might just be a chunk of dust stuck in the shutter mechanism.


Sometimes this needs more than battery removal. My mother has a little point-and-shoot camera and handed it to me to look at with the comment that the front won't open and shoot (lens error). Battery removal didn't help, so I was about to hand it back to her with apologies, and decided to thump it on the heel of my hand first (as you do ).

Hey presto! Fully working!

Like the TV repair guy said as he charged me several appendages, the secret isn't just bashing the thing, it's knowing where and how hard!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Kilkry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 January 2019 at 19:45
Haha, yes, some dead things do require human rituals.

I think I may have discovered a pattern - the shutter hasn't sounded funny when using it when ambient temps have been decent, say above +10C. Lately they haven't and I don't think they were the first time this happened. Have been out several times since in the cold and it doesn't take many shots before the shutter (which sounds like something quick but electric normally) starts sounding slow and weird. Sometimes it has yielded normal shots, once or twice "Camera error. Turn power off and on again", once it worked, just now it didn't, the thing would not turn off normally and my fingers were frozen so I returned home and let it thaw for on hour. Then it turned on again and acted normal but obviously this isn't a camera I'm going to rely on if I decide to try and shoot birds from a hide this spring (last spring my planned and paid for trip was cancelled because there were severe floodings all over the country due to the non-existant spring) so I wonder if I should start saving for something reliable and use this ailing unit in the summer?

Silent shutter is an option but what I used to think was something I really needed I usually don't use it as there are usually electric lights or something rolling shuttery. IBIS is nice though compared to the A7 I had and sold.

It might be just time too, it didn't act weird when I took 998 shots at the aerial display in the summer (am never ever doing that again, I still haven't decided which ones to post and which are salvagable)..but it hasn't acted weird indoors during this winter either. Hm

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