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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2009 at 11:17
It seems that the A850 might've been Sony's knee-jerk response to the D700x. Nikon will make a cheaper 24 megapixel FF, so Sony will make an even cheaper 24 megapixel FF!

Does this mean that the D700x will be priced so closely to the D700? Probably close enough to make the A900 sound expensive. Sony probably knew this, too.

Well, hopefully the A850 makes cleaner high ISO JPEGs, and passes this firmware upgrade to the A900. If that better ISO handling comes at an expense of 3 FPS... sure, I'd shoot 3 FPS on an A900 firmware v2.0 if it is cleaner.
 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2009 at 11:24
Is A900 high iso so disappointing? Worse than A700 is it?

I thought no. Indeed you can successfully resize A900 iso 3200 RAW file to 12 MP and get results on par with D700/D3, right?

Where is the problem with high iso?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2009 at 11:29
I'm not knocking "full-frame" as a way forward, I am just disappointed that which ever way you cut it this is not good news for the A systems future. People are looking at the system and seeing it stall. We can all say its about taking beautiful pictures, and I agree it is, my Minolta ALF takes great black and white street shots. But systems have to show forward movement to survive. The DLSR market is a battle to the death, and if SONY plays the same game MINOLTA did the system will not survive because it will not win new sales from Canikon. Sure enthusiasts that hang on to cameras for years will not be that bothered, but then that customer base does not make a system successful. You need to attract and win new base. As much as it pains me to say it Pentax have managed to produce a competitive product in the K7D despite limited resources. This is not just about individual cameras anymore it is about confidence in the long term strategic direction of the A mount system and to say that the recent new about the A850 or the A230/330/380 are signs of a dynamic forward looking system you have to be wearing an orange colored blindfold.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2009 at 11:40
Originally posted by bhendjol bhendjol wrote:

I don't need a new camera.
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But I want one!

I like the ideas of a cheap full frame camera, but I can understand why some are upset that their wish lists were not fulfilled. I believe, as others have said, that the 850 will attract 700 upgraders who want full frame but cannot justify a 900. More people shooting full frame means more people needing FF glass. While the entry level cameras are clearly aimed at people upgrading from P&S, a cheap FF indicates Sony is trying to satisfy photographers who honed their skills on film.

Edited by Case - 02 August 2009 at 11:59
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2009 at 11:48
Grubster Sony DSLR sales tripled this year suffice to say.

Wait a bit Sony have a bunch of high technology waiting their turn to enter the game. See my other thread about very high iso. Sony can do miracles or least have the miracle technologies.

Lets give them a chance. You know we are now in an economic mltdown situation, they need to watch after every Yenn they spend in R&D and otherwise. Do not be too hard on them
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2009 at 11:53
Seems this A850 could be my next toy.

Maybe, that is what David Kilpatrik hopes, the high number of pixels can be combined with better high ISO performance. We'll see...


Does the A850 need a chipped M42 adapter for manual lenses?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2009 at 12:01
I'm delighted by this - as was mentioned before its a great way to monetize the production line and setup cost for the 900 whilst giving the user (hopefully) a great value for money camera!

If this comes in at a fair price it's the second body I've been waiting for!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2009 at 12:17
It does look very tempting to me - might not fit everyone's wish list, but it looks like the essential parts of the a900 - hopefully packaged for my price bracket...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2009 at 12:21
For me this is very exciting news. I'm still a beginner - 1+ year into SLR photography - and I've loved every minute of my a200 but here's the thing. I keep thinking that the future of SLRs should be FF because that's the way film was. But as a beginner enthusiast, even if I do have the money, I can't justify the purchase of an a900 because I'm not good enough. I'd feel like a spoiled kid whose parents bought him the carbon frame bike even though he doesn't ride it past his block.

What is Sony doing here? They said: we know the FF market will eventually expand down to mid-range cameras so let's do it before anyone else does. The innovation here is not the features, it's the "democratization" of FF.

The only thing that disappoints me is that it's not smaller / lighter than the a900, but they can't do everything at once.

Will I actually buy it? That, I don't know. I'm still learning on the a200 and I need to buy a camera like I need another hole in my head but there's the dream component, too. I dream of what I can do with different DOF, different approach to wide angles, my 50/1.7 being used for what it was designed, my 28/2.8 becoming a wide angle lens, the 135/1.8 I have yet to purchase becoming my ultimate portrait lens... My only APS-C lens is the 16-80 and I'm sure the wife would love having an a200 in good condition with a 16-80 firmly tacked on it...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2009 at 12:23
Originally posted by grubster grubster wrote:

I'm not knocking "full-frame" as a way forward, I am just disappointed that which ever way you cut it this is not good news for the A systems future. People are looking at the system and seeing it stall. We can all say its about taking beautiful pictures, and I agree it is, my Minolta ALF takes great black and white street shots. But systems have to show forward movement to survive. The DLSR market is a battle to the death, and if SONY plays the same game MINOLTA did the system will not survive because it will not win new sales from Canikon. Sure enthusiasts that hang on to cameras for years will not be that bothered, but then that customer base does not make a system successful. You need to attract and win new base. As much as it pains me to say it Pentax have managed to produce a competitive product in the K7D despite limited resources. This is not just about individual cameras anymore it is about confidence in the long term strategic direction of the A mount system and to say that the recent new about the A850 or the A230/330/380 are signs of a dynamic forward looking system you have to be wearing an orange colored blindfold.


If you are interested in APS-C, then this bodes well for the release of the a500/550 - all the features, but slower continuous frame rate (I confess my a700 is usually set to 'continuous low'). Even if this is not the camera for you, it still shows that Sony (who we were all afraid would produce gimmicky cameras) is actually committed to producing cameras for still photographers...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2009 at 12:25
Originally posted by Bob J Bob J wrote:

It does look very tempting to me - might not fit everyone's wish list, but it looks like the essential parts of the a900 - hopefully packaged for my price bracket...

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The 24 megapixel puts me off a bit, since I don't need/want that much, but otherwise...   
God help our wallets

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2009 at 12:49
Originally posted by Bob J Bob J wrote:

   Even if this is not the camera for you, it still shows that Sony (who we were all afraid would produce gimmicky cameras) is actually committed to producing cameras for still photographers...




Like I said a few pages ago, they are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

One other thing after reading the last few pages. Where has it ever been mentioned that Sony will produce a Low MP FF camera? Or is this just pure wishlist speculation?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2009 at 13:00
@Hoffy
I don't believe it's mentioned somewhere but a lot of people would like that (me included) I'd really like a A-mount 12MP FF but , in all honesty, I don't think it will happen any time soon ..

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2009 at 13:05
Originally posted by karaatanasov karaatanasov wrote:

Grubster Sony DSLR sales tripled this year suffice to say.


I don't think SONY tripling DSLR sales was a hard thing to do from such a small volume in the first place. Also bear in mind that the excellent A200/300/350 series delivered the majority of those sales. That excellent series has been replaced by the A230/330/380 range!

I want the Alpha system to do well, I love my A200 but I just don't see a great future right now, maybe the A500/550 will do it for me. Maybe I just want an A Mount D300s or K7D.

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