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    Posted: 16 December 2019 at 10:37
Will an HVL 58AM flash trigger my HVL 56AM flash wirelessly? I take it that the 56AM will not trigger any off camera flash when mounted on the camera. Am I correct in that?

I love my A900, but regret that Sony chose to omit the onboard flash.

My HVL 56AM has served me well, and, although I have salivated for that shift feature in the 58AM, I wonder how much of a difference it really makes with regard to harsh shadows. The head is still off axis with the lens. I would be curious what others who have used the unit have to say on this subject. I detest those shadows that are apparent even when flash is bounced. I usually eliminate or soften in post. Often, while portrait orientation when shooting might yield more efficient composition, I will shoot in landscape orientation so that my 56AM is directly above the lens so that, generally, I only need to deal with shadows below the eyes, etc (and,of course, I need to crop the image to gain the compositional advantage that having originally shot in portrait orientation would have afforded me).

Advice/information appreciated.

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I think both should work and should be able to trigger the other (as long as they are in the right mode).

The little 20AM is very convienient for triggering off-camera flashes, although it is a little pricy for what it is...
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Read Mhohner's Flash Compendium and Sony's Wireless Flash Compatibility list. The HVL-F58 can control the HVL-F56 (not the other way round).
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Originally posted by carusoswi carusoswi wrote:

Will an HVL 58AM flash trigger my HVL 56AM flash wirelessly? I take it that the 56AM will not trigger any off camera flash when mounted on the camera. Am I correct in that?
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Correct; but not the best use of that flash. It's kind of like using a baseball bat to swat a fly. In the past I have disparaged the HVL-F20AM as useless beyond a little fill, I have come to see the light. Not only does this little flash trigger the other Sony flashes (key or rim), but does so while providing fill lighting with bounce. I've actually started using it as the trigger on my a77 (no obstruction of the lens shade problem).
As much as I like the Quick Shift Bounce system, I find the HVL-F58AM a little bulky mounted on the A850 hot shoe, I prefer the HVL-F43AM and the HVL-F43M for the A99. I keep the HVL-F58AM and HVL-F56AM for off camera brackets.
As for the Quick Shift Bounce system in relation to shadow elimination, it helps with angles but not as much as a good diffuser depending on the situation.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote carusoswi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 December 2019 at 20:01
Originally posted by LAbernethy LAbernethy wrote:

Originally posted by carusoswi carusoswi wrote:

Will an HVL 58AM flash trigger my HVL 56AM flash wirelessly? I take it that the 56AM will not trigger any off camera flash when mounted on the camera. Am I correct in that?
Caruso

Correct; but not the best use of that flash. It's kind of like using a baseball bat to swat a fly. In the past I have disparaged the HVL-F20AM as useless beyond a little fill, I have come to see the light. Not only does this little flash trigger the other Sony flashes (key or rim), but does so while providing fill lighting with bounce. I've actually started using it as the trigger on my a77 (no obstruction of the lens shade problem).
As much as I like the Quick Shift Bounce system, I find the HVL-F58AM a little bulky mounted on the A850 hot shoe, I prefer the HVL-F43AM and the HVL-F43M for the A99. I keep the HVL-F58AM and HVL-F56AM for off camera brackets.
As for the Quick Shift Bounce system in relation to shadow elimination, it helps with angles but not as much as a good diffuser depending on the situation.


Thanks to all for the replies. Received the 58 flash this afternoon. It fits well on my A900, no wobbles at all. The unit seems to be in like new condition even though I chose it over another unit from B&H because its condition rating was slightly lower and the price was considerably lower. There is no manual with this unit, nor is the little stand attachment included (actually, I am editing this statement as I found the little stand in a pocket of the case!!0. (I always found that item useless, and use cheap lightweight tripods for off-camera flashes). The online manual that I found online seems clear as mud. I will look for another while continuing to experiment with this unit.

I do like that head movement is a one-way arch perpendicular to the camera's focal plane. That release button on the 56 has always proven stubborn and has cost me more than one shot. The 58 one-way coupled with the shift feature should serve me well.

I do use two Vivitar 283 units both fitted with Wein Slave feet and vari-power units supplied by Vivitar back when. These work very well as long as I keep the shutter speed within the proper range and set the Vivitars up so that they are within the line of sight of the on camera flash. I will find it interesting to work with Minolta's (oops, I mean Sony's) implementation of wireless flash.

Thanks again for the replies.

Respectfully,

Caruso

Edited by carusoswi - 18 December 2019 at 21:27
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Post Options Post Options   Quote carusoswi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 December 2019 at 20:54
I wanted to add that my A900 was a Christmas present to myself last year. This flash unit is my 'self present' this year. I love that most of the gear I purchase is black. My better half of 45 years (she feels she is my better half, LOL) never notices when I upgrade my camera, lenses, or other items, because all my stuff is black, LOL.

I've always wanted one of these '58' flashes since they first were introduced. I am very impressed by the condition of this unit, although I am really not surprised. My '56' is in similar condition, and, these days, I am never hesitant to purchased used equipment, as I find that, unless used professionally by someone for whom the shot is top priority and concern for the equipment, whether owned, leased, or provided by the employer, is of lesser priority.

I get all of that, but with regard to equipment owned by enthusiasts, I find that, generally, it is very well maintained, all of which goes to my benefit as a purchaser of used equipment. I do not remember exactly (probably posted here somewhere), but my A900 had something like 5000 shutter actuations. I feel very fortunate with that purchase.

Ok, enough from me.

Happy holidays to all.

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