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Post Options Post Options   Quote kuau Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 March 2014 at 17:51
So I just want to confirm.

I have an A99 and 2 HVLM 60 flashes. If I want to use both flashes off camera with minimal delay I should purchase the PHOTTIX ODIN Sony?

Can anyone comment on which is a better system PHOTTIX ODIN or Pixel King?

With either system I can do TTL and control light output if I want through either controller?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Steve West Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 March 2014 at 19:06
Odin is the superior system if you have the $$$. You can do ratio flashes and control right from the controller on the camera.

The Kings give no on-camera control (except picking which flashes you want to fire). Flash comp applies to all flashes equally. I have no problem with TTL using the kings and the F43Ams. But if you are in manual and want individual flash adjustments, you have to tweek each flash body, which means you walk to the flash.

I've never uses the Odins but everything I've heard about them is excellent. I also heard that Phottix is preparing a version for the new Sony shoe, but I don't know if that is true. Phottix replies to their emails so you can ask anything about them. King will reply to the email, but it won't be the least bit helpful or informative.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kuau Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 April 2014 at 01:11
Still deciding on which way to go, in the mean time I picked up a third HVLM60. Good deals right now online if you look around.

Anyways I contacted Phottix and at this point they have no plans on coming out with a new Sony model, so I guess I would have to use the adaptors.

Is there any point looking at using a HVLM20 to fire my flashes? I assume I would have the delay issue and also I can't control the light output of my 3 HVL60Ms in camera. I would have to manually adjust each flash separately.

If I used one of my HVL60M as the controller, again still a delay but I could control light output of my other flashes? I am all confused and I can't seem to find any good reference documents on using the A99 with multiple HVL60m flashes.
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Originally posted by kuau kuau wrote:

Is there any point looking at using a HVL-F20M to fire my flashes? I assume I would have the delay issue and also I can't control the light output of my 3 HVL-F60Ms in camera. I would have to manually adjust each flash separately.

If I used one of my HVL-F60M as the controller, again still a delay but I could control light output of my other flashes? I am all confused and I can't seem to find any good reference documents on using the A99 with multiple HVL-F60M flashes.

No comment on possible differences in the delay... but based on a quick check in the F60M user manual, your assumptions about control are correct. The F60M as a controller supports ratio adjustments in TTL mode for two remote groups and manual level control for two remote groups; the F20M doesn't.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kuau Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 April 2014 at 01:59
Testing seems to be in order, yet it still seems that all roads leads to the Odin setup
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Have you tried the AEL button?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kuau Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 April 2014 at 19:52
Excuse my ignorance, but how does the AEL button play into flash delay?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote mikey2000 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 April 2014 at 20:07
I use my AEL button for FEL (a custom setting). maybe you already know about FEL - flash exposure lock?   When I press the button the camera fires the preflash and then memorises it. When you press the shutter, the flash fires at this memorises value and fires *instantly* - no delay whatsoever.

It's quite good but I don't think it works if you are pointing the camera in different directions - each pic might need a different amount of flash.   FEL is a sort of compromise.
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    Post Options Post Options   Quote Rex Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 April 2014 at 18:28
    I just bought the Pixel king and I can say is very good. I didn't even need to update the firmware to work with A99.
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    Post Options Post Options   Quote penndragonn2001 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 April 2014 at 05:10
    I use the Pixel King soliers on my A77 and A99...work perfect...sure, no TTL, but have zero use for it anyway. My cameras settings are always set manually. I agree a good mounted flash controller would be nice, but sooo not necessary. If I were to abandone Sony, I would def go back to Nikon. For my purposes, my A77 and a99 combo. are FLAWLESS.
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    Post Options Post Options   Quote leathalism Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 September 2016 at 07:47
    It is now 2016 does this problem still occur???.
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    Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 September 2016 at 16:47
    Originally posted by leathalism leathalism wrote:

    It is now 2016 does this problem still occur?

    Which combinations of gear are you asking about? It's a long thread, and some combinations don't generate a delay. The combinations that did two years ago almost certainly still do today.
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