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    Posted: 09 January 2021 at 02:57
I currently shoot with a Sony a77ii and while I plan to continue shooting with it for some time, I know that it's getting up there in age. I've had it for almost 5 years and have about 93,500 on the shutter count. So I hope it still has some life left in it, but I also know the writing will be on the wall eventually!

Here's my issue...I shoot mostly with old Minolta lenses (80-200mm f/2.8 and the 135mm f/2.8).

Is there ANY adapter that would give me autofocus and higher fps? Or do they all limit you to a really low fps?

I'm so confused as to whether or not I'd be able to continue to shoot action, which is a big part of what I love to shoot. Or if I'm doomed when this camera dies. I don't have a lot of money and I've been shooting the A mount for almost 10 years, so I've gathered up glass that I really love over that period of time. I don't see any way for me to be able to start completely over with both camera and lenses at this point, so I'm really nervous about what the future may hold for the hobby I love so much!

And all of these adapters confuse me!
 



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The LA-EA5 adapter is supposed to support 11 FPS on the A6600.

Here are Sony's compatibility notes for the 80-200/2.8 & 135/2.8 + LA-EA5 + A6600:

Available with a Mount Adaptor.

Operation sound of the diaphragm is recorded with the internal microphone.
Outside the A (Aperture priority), S (Shutter priority), and M (Manual) modes, the shutter speed and the aperture can not be adjusted during the movie recording.

The [Lens Comp] (Lens Compensation) function does not work.

Depending on shooting conditions, the brightness of the picture may not be even. Set the [Front Curtain Shutter] function to [Off].

If you attach the [A-mount lens] using the Mount Adaptor, MF assist function does not work automatically when you turn the focus ring. You can enlarge the image by selecting [Focus Magnifier] function or [MF Assist] function to any key in the "Custom Key Settings".

Touch Shutter does not work.

Shake compensation is available with 3-axis(Pitch/Yaw/Roll) by SteadyShot INSIDE.

To use auto focus, the system software must be upgraded to Ver. 1.10 or later.

Although you can perform auto focusing, it is sometimes difficult to focus on a subject using this function when you are shooting dark scenes or when a subject is located at the corners of the screen or is significantly out of focus.

When you perform continuous shooting in the Hi+, Hi, or Mid mode while the focus mode is set to AF-C, the focus does not track a subject. To enable AF continuous shooting by setting continuous shooting to Hi+, Hi, or Mid mode, the system software must be upgraded to Ver. 1.10 or later.

When you perform continuous shooting in the Hi+, Hi, or Mid mode while the focus mode is set to AF-C, the speed of continuous shooting can be slower.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote crysania Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2021 at 03:26
Oh boy there's a lot there that is making NO sense to me for some reason. lol

So even if I upgrade to 1.10 or later, it still won't track the subject? Or will it? AF-C that doesn't track the subject seems kind of useless.

But this is with the 6600 and the LA-EA5, which is not likely a combo I'd be able to afford (though in another year? I guess who knows!).
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Yes. Sony's documentation isn't great. And sometimes it is erroneous.

Most other E-mount cameras are limited 2.5 or 3 FPS AF-C tracking during bursts using the LA-EA adapters. And screw-drive lenses will only only focus on the LA-EA2 or LA-EA4 adapters with them.

I've used the LA-EA4 with the 135/2.8 for shooting motorsports, and the combination has worked well enough for me. I didn't find the A77II AF-C at higher frames to work all that well, but if you like it just get another one.

I mostly used Canon EF lenses this year on the Metabones IV adapter in Advanced Mode on the A7III. I didn't use continuous shooting much at all.

FWIW: you can set and use higher frame rate in AF-C with the LA-EA adapters, but the focus locks on the first frame of a burst. The limitation is only about focusing during bursts.




Edited by QuietOC - 09 January 2021 at 03:55
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 2manycamera Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2021 at 03:57
I just put my 100/2.0 Minolta AF onto my a6600 using the LA-EA5. Set to AF-C tracking and HI+. It's dark now so can't really put to a full test, but set focus on a still object and moved myself all around. Tracked, good focus and high speed. Obviously, more testing would be required to say for sure, but all seems good.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote crysania Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2021 at 04:03
I do like it well enough (wish I could afford an a99ii though!). But they're still pretty pricey and the a6000 line is more affordable.

I do a lot of bursts, so that sounds like it may be frustrating. I tend to be in high continuous when shooting my dogs as it's all unpredictable motion (mostly dogs at play) and so it's impossible to know the "right" moment to shoot since they're moving so erratically.

3ps is kind of the pits. I haven't had a camera that shot that slow in almost 9 years and back then I was in auto mode and entirely clueless as to what I was doing. I guess my best bet may be to rent a body and adapter for a short while and see if it will work for me or if it will just be an exercise in complete frustration. It almost sounds like it would be better to go backward to my a580 than forward to the E mount.

It really stinks being invested into a system for a decade and then having to start over (when you don't have the money to!). When I bought most of the glass and the camera I had an additional job that I lost as the economy changed. That was my mad money for photography! I figured I had all the glass I needed so I'd only need to someday upgrade the camera body. Argh!

Maybe someone would like a kidney? Can I sell that on here? LOL
 



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Originally posted by 2manycamera 2manycamera wrote:

I just put my 100/2.0 Minolta AF onto my a6600 using the LA-EA5. Set to AF-C tracking and HI+. It's dark now so can't really put to a full test, but set focus on a still object and moved myself all around. Tracked, good focus and high speed. Obviously, more testing would be required to say for sure, but all seems good.


That's good to know! The a6600 is perhaps more than I could afford, but it's cheaper than upgrading AND getting new glass. So at least that seems to be some sort of option.

The 11fps it promises would be nice, but I'd be happy with something similar to what I currently have (8fps). It's just that if I'm cut back down to 3fps or so, it's going to be a rough go!
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It does look like, per Sony's page, the A6600 has full AF with the LA-EA5 and the old Minolta lenses. I guess at least I know there's some option out there that doesn't involve all new lenses.
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If your happy with the a77ii and your after an adapter just so the lenses work the same way on e-mount , why not just get a backup a77ii body ?
Or an a99ii ...

Your asking about current adapters that work on current bodies to replace a camera that might still be working in 5 years , by which point this information is out of date anyway .
As you seem happy now , and aren't seeking to upgrade / improve , just to retain what you already have , just getting a backup , new or used seems the best option to me .
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Yes, as @neil says - my immediate thoughts here are to scout for an additional A77ii camera. Not being familiar enough with the Sony SLT series (I exited shortly after the a100 and returned this week [A7II]).

If that camera does what you want then stick with it. Or similar models up/down the range?

While looking for a new camera system Oct/Nov/Dec 2020 - after a decade+ in m43 - I found a LOT of low frame rate Canon and Nikon pro bodies. I didn't look for any SLT cameras as it isn't something that interested me. But I've seen crazy low frame rate NEX bodies (3k frames) and e.g. Nikon D2Xs with 8,000 frames.

Since the A-mount is pretty much over (nothing new will be released?) you are not necessarily in stuck with your gear or abandoned. There will be a lot of people continuing to shoot that mount. And at the same time a lot of people exiting to go to a mirrorless system. So, my guess is that used lenses will turn a bit more niche and might level off in price ... but the bodies - they will have an end of life. But it could be a longer time before then.

Canon AF seem to have the greatest volume and the prices are silly low. Pentax has a very niche and dedicated following ... and Sony SLT will become an equal to that strange corner of the camera club. Valid toys for people who know what they want.

You will also have some protection in the used value of your A-mount lenses if you doo eventually switch to mirrorless (or exit to another brand). There will continue to be people wanting your lenses - more niche.

In - normal times - the advice would be: visit your local camera store and try your lens on an adaptor on the body in a shop. But well, 2021 hasn't really cancelled out 2020 yet! And might not until 2022?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote crysania Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2021 at 14:03
Well, there's a lot going on here...LOL

Let's see...to answer some questions:

I'm contemplating options now because the camera is getting up there in age (almost 5 years). My last camera (a580) started having issues when I had it about 4 years. The lens locking mechanism broke. I got it fixed. It had an issue a few months later and I was able to unstick it. It stopped being able to handle the heavier lenses without breaking that mechanism. I still have the body as a backup, but I can't put the 80-200 on it. That was when I bought the a77ii (I actually sold my old Tamron 70-200 to buy it). This one I've had for almost 5 years and it's getting close to 100k of images. It could die this year, or 5 years from now, who knows? So I want to know my options if it keels over.

I'm a planner. I don't want it to suddenly die and then not have an idea of what to do.

I am happy ENOUGH with the a77ii. I don't hate it by any means. But getting a replacement is still pretty pricey for what it is. New they still go for $1200. Used are still not that cheap. If I'm going to spend money, I'd like to get something that's an actual upgrade rather than what I currently have.

Why not the a99ii? I'd LOVE it. But that's still beyond my price range. Even used they're $2200 to 2500. I could get a brand new a6600 for $1000+ less.

I would really love to change to mirrorless as I know that's the future. But I can't do the change all at once, so my thought process is upgrade to a mirrorless camera that will work with my current lenses, pay that off, then start saving for native lenses.
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Also at play here is your format. APS to APS by the looks. And a respected and very usable size it is too. Sony seems to me to have put a LOT of effort into the A7 series (and A9 and now A7C). And some considerable effort in APS which still gets some nice new cameras (at a price).

If you are at a junction - you may wish to consider a format change as well. Note that I'm not suggesting that FF is better than APS. It is a personal, per photographer, per subject type, per budget decision.

One benefit you have to transition is the adaptors (hence your question). Adapter performance and price is a factor. And ex-Canon EF shooters can also play nice with Sony?

But if you are considering an end point that puts you 100% in mirrorless you could consider other systems. Fujifilm XF (APS) for example - it didn't work out for me but might work for you.

I personally do not like the idea of adaptors and will always vote for native mount - but people love adapting. And mirrorless is an adaptors dream!

System changes are hard work but sometimes worth it. I've done Canon FD > Canon EOS (1987-2004), 17 solid years in total (via shop trade in, this was expensive!). Then A-mount (Dynax 7D), then Nikon DX and FX, then to m43 (2005-2020, 15 years with more change but almost all via eBay and much more fun). 4 system changes in 33 years - each change was difficult and each one was worth it.

5 systems now, my A7II arrived this week. It'll be my system for 3-5 years at least. Will happily follow my decade with m43 as a decade in FE mount - but after 5 years in if another system suits me better I'll walk.

eBay is kind to good quality kit. We now get 65-75% of new price as a sales price (minus fees). Compare to the 25-30% you'd be lucky to see at shop trade in. Plus we no longer feed our cameras with expensive film.

Sorry - long reply - timing isn't super urgent - but if the A6600 is the camera you want (?) then maybe wait until it is a little older/cheaper. The A7II price is pretty sweet (if that camera works for you, it did for me).

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Oh trust me, if I could make the jump to full frame I 100% would. It's unfortunately a budget thing. If I could, I'd run out and get an a99ii and all of this would be moot!

I would also love native lenses, but there will probably be a transition time where I need to move from one camera to the next and with the way things are going, my best bet is to buy a camera with an adapter that will let me use my current lenses. And then pay that off (because it's GOING to have to be a monthly/pay off over the course of a year thing), and then look to getting a native lens for it. Financial issues mean I can't just buy things outright at this point unfortunately.

(And then hopefully mirrorless E mount is around for a long time so someday I might be able to get a FF body.)

I'm honestly not sure how my lenses would work on other camera brands with an adapter. I know Sony has put out bunches of them for Canon and Nikon, etc. but I'm not sure about other camera brands. I figure that Sony would work harder to make their adapters work for their own A mount to E mount transition (and same for Canon and Nikon). But I don't know. I'm mostly planning on sticking with Sony at this point.

I at least know the possibility is out there and there's also the possibility that new lower-end cameras could come out that would work with the new LA-EA5 adapter. So maybe in a year the landscape will look different. But I know there IS something that I could work toward.

Enjoy your new camera!
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And to add, the A7ii wouldn't be a great option for me. It only does 5fps and my primary focus is fast moving dogs. The a7riii is probably where I'd have to go for what I need.
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