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    Posted: 28 April 2016 at 13:51
As an E mount digital user I recently jumped on the Godox flash bandwagon and purchased a Godox TT685S and X1T-S wireless trigger. I have a Minolta 5400hs. However, I was wondering if there was the remote possibility an ADP-AMA adapter would let TTL and HSS work on a Dynax 7? Many thanks.

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I'm not sure about the capabilities of the 7 (or did you mean 7D?) with regard to TTL and/or HSS, but doesn't the 5400HS mount directly to the camera? How does the adapter come into it?

Or did you mean using the Godox with it? I can't find that model (google Godox TT6855 returns nothing), so I'm not sure which foot it has.

I think it's unlikely to work properly with a camera that old, outside basic manual flash, but I could be wrong.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote artuk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 April 2016 at 16:36
It's impossible to answer the,question without being clear if you own a E-mount A7, or a Dynax 7D, as they have different flash shoes.

It's also impossible until you clarify whether you want to use your Minolta or Godox flash with the camera, and in what way (on camera, has, off camera).

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Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 April 2016 at 16:57
Originally posted by anewman anewman wrote:

As an E mount digital user I recently jumped on the Godox flash bandwagon and purchased a Godox TT6855 and X1T-S wireless trigger.

You have a typo there - it's a Godox TT685S.

I have a Minolta 5400hs.

Okay, but I assume that's not part of the following question.

However, I was wondering if there was the remote possibility an ADP-AMA adapter would let TTL and HSS work on a Dynax 7?

I'd say yes, there's a remote possibility that would allow the Godox flash to do its stuff with a Dynax 7 either shoe-mounted or via the Godox transmitter ... but you might be the first person to attempt it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 April 2016 at 18:34
Come to think of it, I suppose there's a roughly equal chance that the Godox can be wirelessly controlled by the pop-up flash of the Dynax 7 without needing the Godox transmitter. The flash is stated to be compatible with Sony's optical wireless system (along with its own radio communication system). Depending on the company's thoroughness in reverse engineering, that might carry over to Minolta film cameras as well.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote anewman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 April 2016 at 20:44
Apologies for typo and confusion caused.

I hope to be able to use the Godox TT685S with the Dynax 7 film camera and use TTL and/or HSS.

I've read there are differences between film TTL (single flash) and digital TTL (double flash). Apparently the 5400hs will not work with digital, but the 5600hs will work with both. I guess it depends on if the Godox flash retains that backwards compatibility.

If I manage to try it out and have a film developed to ensure it works properly will report back.

Just come across this which is a fascinating read (dated 2002) specifically regarding the Dynax 7 and flash http://photo.net/equipment/minolta/maxxum7

Edit: I tried triggering the Godox with the inbuilt flash on the Dynax 7 and that doesn't work. I've tried the Godox on my Sony A7 in wireless mode and that won't trigger the 5400hs.

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I think the 5400HS is an analogue flash, so it should work fully on the Dynax 7 (which can use analogue or digital flashes) directly, but not the 7D or indeed any Sony digital SLR/SLT/E-mount which are all digital. The 5400HS(D) wil do analogue or digital.

If you mean work with the Godex remote, I don't know; does the 5400S give you anything clever with the Godex on your E-mount? I'm a little surprised if it does - I'd expect you to get basic flash only.

I could be wrong, but I think the foot converter just converts the foot mechanically and brings the right connections out, but doesn't do anything clever.

So, no, don't expect the 5400HS to do HSS or TTL with any digital camera whatever the electronics you mput between them - they talk in different languages. That's why the HS models are cheap and the HS(D)s are not!

Ironically, you *might* be better off with an older generation flash like the Vivitar 283/285, which at least can do auto on their own on or off the camera and should still do that with a radio trigger.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 April 2016 at 07:39
There is some more info on the 5400 HS on the Mhohner site. His flash compendium might also be helpful.


You can use the 5400 HS in manual mode. The Vivitar 283/285 aren't easier and have considerably less power.
(A common typo is 5400HS(D), but no such flash exists, just a 5600HS(D))
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 April 2016 at 08:13
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

There is some more info on the 5400 HS on the Mhohner site. His flash compendium might also be helpful.


You can use the 5400 HS in manual mode. The Vivitar 283/285 aren't easier and have considerably less power.
(A common typo is 5400HS(D), but no such flash exists, just a 5600HS(D))


Quite right, thanks for the correction!
Agree the Vivitars are very dated and limited in capability, but they do have aperture auto so you can get a consistent flash on or off camera without knowing the flash-subject distance, and you can adjust the exposure with camera aperture. Does the 5400HS have that mode?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote IanL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 April 2016 at 11:52
I very much doubt that the Godox would have been reverse engineered for the film camera capability. Not worth the effort.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote anewman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 2016 at 18:08
Noticing the Sony HVL-F60M claims to work with the Dynax 7 film camera in TTL and HSS, and seeing the ADP-AMA available at Amazon Warehouse for £16, I was inquisitive enough to try.

F stop reads as f/1.0 on flash and the flash keeps turning off and rebooting. The HSS indicator does come on in the camera so it might fire manually and do HSS. TTL is the main thing I was hoping for as it removes the need for a dedicated flash meter and takes any guess work out of using manual.

TLDR - doesn't work.
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Originally posted by anewman anewman wrote:

F stop reads as f/1.0 on flash


Hello from the distant future!

I'm trying to get all my Godox gear I use with my A9 working with my 'new' (to me, obv) Maxxum 7. This caught my eye as it's doing the EXACT same thing!

Maxxum 7 -> ADP-AMA -> Xpro, XproII or TT685II

The camera seems to see that there is a flash and the flash icon lights up, but it never fires. The XproII even has a single-pin mode that I was hoping would work, but it's not either.

Seeing F1.0 come up on the flash screen whenever I change the aperture or shutter was interesting.

I'm contemplating a PC to 2.5mm cable and just wiring the trigger to the PC port, but I really, really, really hope to get ADP or TTL mode working. If anyone has made any further progress on this in the last 7 years, any input would be appreciated!

I'm also looking at a "JSC-6 adapter" which is "Minolta hotshoe" to "Standard ISO hotshoe" instead of MI - I'm hoping at least single pin mode with the XproII will work with that adapter.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote neilt3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 January 2023 at 01:12
There has been no further progress in getting modern flashes to work with film cameras as as time passes they just become more distant technology .
Minolta film cameras ceased to be produced in 2006 , 16 years ago .
Third party flashes designed for the new Sony multi interface shoe aren't even designed to fit on a film camera , let alone communicate with one .
Even Sony dropped compatibility with TTL flash for film cameras years ago , as they never made a film camera !


If you want a flash to work on your Maxxum 7 , the cheapest way of doing it is to forget adapters and just buy something like the Minolta 5400HS or Minolta 5600HS/D .
Both support TTL metering , high speed sync and wireless flash control .
The Minolta 5600HS/D would also work on your Sony a9 via the adapter .

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Hyacin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 January 2023 at 06:35
Yeah good call... $60 (used 3600 HS D I found) and problem solved. If I need more than one off-camera flash I can just shoot with my A9 ... not like I'm going to be doing any serious heavy-duty portrait sessions with the Maxxum 7 (or at all for that matter).

Thanks!

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