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About the adaptator mount, i should also be interested, but many people told me that you lose the AF, but also the light measurement, and many of the automatism.

What do you think of this ?
 



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When you use any one of the adapter (Canon FD, Nikon F, Pentax K, Pentax M42, Olympus OM or M42, Tamron adaptall -->Min AF) You must use manual focus, stop down metering (A or M mode).

I have conducted test using various adapter (Canon, Pentax K, Pentax M42 and Tamron Adaptall) on a 7D and 5D. AS seems to work and quite effective on shorter lens but whether you get the full 2-3 stops is anyone guess.

The reason for using older manual focus lenses on a 5D or 7D is cost and fun factor. You can purchase an entire collection of lenses (M42 for example) including exotic lenses such as macro, fisheye etc. for the cost of one single AF fisheye or AF macro lenses.

Hope this help.
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teleconverter taxonomy...

I'm going to break this up into a bunch of posts.
This will focus (ahem) on "generic" teleconverters that can fit on almost any maxxum/dynax/alpha lens.

For any TC you have, please tell us:
1) brand, model
2) model# if you know it
3) how many pins does it have on the body and the lens side, and which style? (see below)
4) does the viewfinder show the correct aperture
5) does the exif data for shots mention the tc, and does it list the correct focal length and aperture.
6) if the exif data mentions the TC, what does it call it?
7) what color is the release latch?
8) exactly what is written on the TC? in what colors?


Pin styles:
I've noted a bunch.
(1) five pins
(2) five pins on a surface feature sized for eight pins
(3) eight pins in a row on one surface feature
(4) eight pins with five on the base surface and a small raised plastic "island" for the other three



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for lens adaptors in the UK, www.srbfilm.co.uk is the usual best source.

alternatively, you could phone b&h and try to find out who makes the adaptor, then contact the manufacturer and find out who their UK importer is (if any).

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Notes on the "MC" teleconverters

These are the most common tc's around.
There are three models:
MC4 1.4x, 4 elements in 4 groups
MC4 2x, 4 elements in 4 groups
MC7 2X, 7 elements in 5 groups

I think they are made by Kenko/Tokina, but the brand name I see on them most often is Tamron. They also are rebranded by a huge number of importers and large chains; I've seen them labeled Jessops, Vivitar, Soligor, Kalimar, and CPC. I think the Phoenix adaptors are also rebranded MC's.

Kenko calls all of their tc's "Teleplus", like the "Teleplus Pro 300" or "AF Teleplus MC4 1.4x". I've seen people think this was the brand name of the tc itself.

I'm curious about getting a handle on the generations and what their capacities are.

The most recent models are the DG versions:
    1.4x Kenko AF Teleplus MC4 DG, model MC4AFDGM
    2x   Kenko AF Teleplus MC7 DG, model MC7AFDGM
    also known as Tokina AF2X7DGM
    I'm not sure if they bother making a 2x MC4 DG version.

At large retailers, the DG's are currently replacing
    1.4x Kenko AF Teleplus MC4, model MC4AFM
    2x   Kenko AF Teleplus MC7, model MC7AFM
some stores still have these "pre-dg" models in stock.

Going back further, things get kinda murky...

Some tc's are labeled "M/AUTO FOCUS" or "M-AF",
these seem to always have 5 contacts, though sometimes on a surface feature sized for 8 contacts.
I suspect these are the oldest types.

some tc's are labeled M-AFi or C-AFi,
these can have 5 contacts or the 5+3 contact arrangment
I wonder if the i means the 7000i-series (second generation) camera bodies.

some tc's are labeled Mx-AF or Mx/AF,
these seem to have 8 contacts
I suspect the "x" means they came out for the XI bodies and thus have the extra contacts for power zoom.

some tc's are labelled C/D7.
a user at minolta-forum.de reported that this 7-element tc would mount the 500/8 af mirror lens. many tc's can't.
he also reports it works with the 5D and 7D, but not how well.

Tamrons mostly just say "TAMRON-F AF TELE-CONVERTER".
On some models, the AF is in green, in others, it is white.

Newer MC7's are 36mm long, older ones 41mm.

Some say BBAR on them, which is a Broad Band Anti-Reflective coating.


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Notes on the 1.5x and 1.7x teleconverters...

Besides the MC's, the two common tc's seem to be a 1.5x made by Kenko, and a 1.7x of unknown manufacture.

The Kenko 1.5x has most of same sorts of variation as the MC series.

The current model is the "AF Teleplus SHQ DG", model# K15AFDGM. Layout is 5 elements in 4 groups.
It has the 5+3 style contact pins.
The previous, non-DG model, was the K15AFM.
Mx versions with 8 contacts and
M-AFi versions with 5 contacts on a surface feature sized for 8 have also been seen.

The 1.7x is a bit more mysterious. All the ones I've come across are labeled "PROMASTER SPECTRUM 7 1.7X". Promaster is an importer, not a manufacturer. However, I suspect that these are also Kenko made because of two similarities to the other Kenko tc's.
One, the release latch is a dark teal blue colored plastic.
Two, mine says Mx-AF and has 8 contacts, which is similar to the other Kenko labeling notations.

Mine does not display the correct aperture in the viewfinder, but does focus just fine on my 5D. I have not yet had time to see whether ADI works, or what gets put in the exif data.


In summary, it seems every maxxum tc comes from Kenko, except for the ones from Minolta and Sigma. All the Minolta's and Sigma's seem to be "dedicated" for use on long lenses only, only the three Pro series Kenko's (1.4x, 2x, 3x) have that limitation.

I do wonder if maybe at some point in the past Sigma produced a non-dedicated tc; I have seen 5 contact APO Sigma tc's for sale online, but I do not know if they were long lens dedicated.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote brettania Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 April 2006 at 09:46
This thread has become very long and I am not sure whether or not there are now contradictions between eccl's and akb4's listings? Would it be an idea to split akb4's posts off into a thread with "...cont." in the title? (which eccl could do)
Please note this is not intended to criticise all the hard work that has gone on, or dampen anyone's enthusiasm, but we need to have something that makes sense and is easy to use.
Comments from the two major posters please.

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In reply to akb4's appeal I'll describe my 1,4 converter:
1) Soligor AF 1.4x Pro teleconverter
2) 5 elements in 4 groups
3) eight pins in a row on one surface feature
4) the viewfinder shows the real (= original) aperture
5,6) the exif data do not mention the tc and list the original focal length of the lens and the aperture.
7) [what is meant with "release latch"?]
8) on the TC is written: SOLIGOR AF PRO TELE-CONVERTER 1.4x Mx/AF Japan (only "AF" in red letters)

Other features:
color: grey-white, diameter 65 mm, length 20 mm, weight 132 g (Soligor says 150 g !)
Clearance element-mouth ca. 7 mm.
Works well with Min. 100/2,8 macro and Tamron 200-500/5,0-6,3, but not with Min. 100-400/4,5-6,7.
Manual focussing works much more heavily than without converter.
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I have no problem splitting into a seperate thread.
It would be nice if we could keep it someplace where folks will continue to see it and give info though.

I'm pretty sure I didn't contradict anything; most of eccl's posts have been about "dedicated" tc's, while mine mostly addressed "generics". I didn't see anything in eccl's posts I thought was incorrect. (I also love love love the comparison test shots).

Collecting detailed info about regular lenses and accessory lenses would be cool (to me, anyway :)). A forum isn't really the best way to put together a chart/datbase/spreadsheet, but wiki spreadsheets aren't quite ready for prime time yet. Maybe another year or so. (I've been waiting about a decade for them so far, but too busy to write one. Sigh.).

Meanwhile, we could collect data. Are the surveys on this forum sw capable of having a form where folks type info in, and then displaying a chart of the results?

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Originally posted by akb4 akb4 wrote:

I have no problem splitting into a seperate thread.
It would be nice if we could keep it someplace where folks will continue to see it and give info though.

Yes, we are thinking abot the best way / form to preserve all this info while providing it in a more appropriate form.
We already have a tc database, and the database is linked to lens database so we can make lens+tc combinations. But we need to finish the whole thing.

Originally posted by akb4 akb4 wrote:

Collecting detailed info about regular lenses and accessory lenses would be cool (to me, anyway :)). A forum isn't really the best way to put together a chart/datbase/spreadsheet, but wiki spreadsheets aren't quite ready for prime time yet. Maybe another year or so. (I've been waiting about a decade for them so far, but too busy to write one. Sigh.).

Meanwhile, we could collect data. Are the surveys on this forum sw capable of having a form where folks type info in, and then displaying a chart of the results?


I'm more than interested to provide anything I can to collecting info. Just drop me an mail with your ideas and we can aranage something. I'm still recovering from one illness but I'm ready to do my best in this regard.

Thank you for all your efforts !
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Post Options Post Options   Quote eccl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 April 2006 at 18:33
In the TC quick reference guide, I didn't break down the generic TC into more detail because any non-dedicated TC is considered generic and will fit ALL lenses. That was only a QUICK reference guide and I was hoping any particular TC detail will be captured in the upcoming TC review section. Also, most people only concern about compatiblity between a TC with a particular lens (ie 70-210/4, 100-300 APO, 50/1.4 etc.) and whether the combination will AF or MF. I believe the quick reference quide addresses the above questions.

I agree with akb4/kiklop that the only way to capture all this detail information of a particular TC is by collecting data from different users and tablulate them in some kind of database or table.

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Originally posted by akb4 akb4 wrote:

Notes on the 1.5x and 1.7x teleconverters...

Besides the MC's, the two common tc's seem to be a 1.5x made by Kenko, and a 1.7x of unknown manufacture.

The Kenko 1.5x has most of same sorts of variation as the MC series.

The current model is the "AF Teleplus SHQ DG", model# K15AFDGM. Layout is 5 elements in 4 groups.
It has the 5+3 style contact pins.
The previous, non-DG model, was the K15AFM.
Mx versions with 8 contacts and
M-AFi versions with 5 contacts on a surface feature sized for 8 have also been seen.

The 1.7x is a bit more mysterious. All the ones I've come across are labeled "PROMASTER SPECTRUM 7 1.7X". Promaster is an importer, not a manufacturer. However, I suspect that these are also Kenko made because of two similarities to the other Kenko tc's.
One, the release latch is a dark teal blue colored plastic.
Two, mine says Mx-AF and has 8 contacts, which is similar to the other Kenko labeling notations.

Mine does not display the correct aperture in the viewfinder, but does focus just fine on my 5D. I have not yet had time to see whether ADI works, or what gets put in the exif data.


In summary, it seems every maxxum tc comes from Kenko, except for the ones from Minolta and Sigma. All the Minolta's and Sigma's seem to be "dedicated" for use on long lenses only, only the three Pro series Kenko's (1.4x, 2x, 3x) have that limitation.

I do wonder if maybe at some point in the past Sigma produced a non-dedicated tc; I have seen 5 contact APO Sigma tc's for sale online, but I do not know if they were long lens dedicated.


I have a Sakar 1.7X TC, it also has 8 contact but it is just a pass through (like the Kenko Pro 300/Tamron SP 1.4X TC) and aperture doesn't show the correct aperture and EXIF doesn't show the correct EXIF.

Sigma did make a generic TC (early version), please see photo below:


This one will fit any lenses but probably MF only.

Sigma EX APO TC are dedicated



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Sorry to interrupt this thread again but I just wanted to thank all those that gave any input on my Canon FD lens to Minolta AF mount question... I ended up ordering the adaptor from B&H Photo and it arrived earlier this week (took 4 days including weekend which was amazing). I've been having a lot of fun using my Canon FD 50mm f/1.4 lens on my 5D!!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote kiklop Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2006 at 09:46
Originally posted by ballfresno ballfresno wrote:

Sorry to interrupt this thread again but I just wanted to thank all those that gave any input on my Canon FD lens to Minolta AF mount question... I ended up ordering the adaptor from B&H Photo and it arrived earlier this week (took 4 days including weekend which was amazing). I've been having a lot of fun using my Canon FD 50mm f/1.4 lens on my 5D!!

Great to hear this.
I would like to see a new dedicated thread and your report in it :)
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