FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

A-Mount telephoto lens choice in (for) 2020s.

Author
Rudolf_K View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie

Joined: 27 January 2021
Country: Slovakia
Status: Offline
Posts: 19
Post Options Post Options   Quote Rudolf_K Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: A-Mount telephoto lens choice in (for) 2020s.
    Posted: 11 August 2021 at 12:54
A-Mount telephoto lens choice in (for) 2020s...
Hello, I am exploring the best options to choose telephoto lenses above 200mm and with better quality. Of course, have other options (just like spent money to E-Mount), but I want to fully use my A-Mount camera until deep end...

With budget around 1000 I did some conducting pros and cons and three major candidates:
1. Minolta AF 300 F2.8
Seems to be the best. I like to use "DOF games" with my 80-200 F2.8 and 300mm on FF seems to fine. Also suiting to 1.4x TC adaptation and manage to good exposure times in ISO range 400-1600.
- Only issue that I see is that ROM chip issue. But seems to solvable. Otherwise it seem to pretty basic in terms of mechanical etc.?

2. Minolta AF 400 F4.5
Solid choice. Sometimes I see on some samples that it is no as smart I am expecting. But that is maybe, because older bodies and sensors did not like as much noise and users choosed lower ISO and times are crucial. But OK, in future it can be ok.

Well, this seems to be main question for a topic. Is it complex ? Mean some mechanical issues such as cluch mechanism etc, or ROM issue like prime 300 have. Only time that I saw selling one with some damage and not working AF on eBay.

Seems to be this two ones is the best for me. 3rd option, but I bit against it is Sony 70-400 SSM. But what I read, service and maintance with no space parts... Well, no, thanks. Seems to be redundancy is better for Minolta and I am realized that I am not very Sony boy... ;) Well, maybe Tamron SP 150-600mm F5-6.3 Di USD G2 A022 ? One shop here in Slovakia seems to be have one, so I ask.

It will be on A850 and A300 (damm, that body do not want to die :D ), maybe A77 II in future or some LA-EA5 stuff support body (aka A6600).

Of course, whole thing will happend if (and IF) find something here in great Europe and 800 - 1000 Euro budget. Is it possible to find? With new policy of tax I do not want try to buy someting from Japan or even UK.

Thanks
 



Back to Top
QuietOC View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 28 February 2015
Country: United States
Location: Michigan
Status: Online
Posts: 3367
Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 August 2021 at 13:36
I'd recommend testing whatever lens you buy especially zooms. I've been trying a lot of telephotos, but I haven't gotten to either of those yet.

SSM II lenses will focus best on A77 and later bodies. Surprisingly original SSM lenses are more performance limited than screw-driven lenses on the LA-EA5.

Edited by QuietOC - 11 August 2021 at 13:39
Sony A7RIV NEX-5T HVL-F45RM LA-EA5 Metabones-IV Sigma MC-11 Yongnuo EF-E II TLT ROKR MD-NEX KR-NEX DA-NEX
Minolta Maxxum 600si
Pentax Q7 5-15 15-45/2.8 8.5/1.9 11.5/9 AF-P/Q
Back to Top
skm.sa100 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 08 January 2009
Country: United States
Location: Charlotte, NC
Status: Offline
Posts: 4083
Post Options Post Options   Quote skm.sa100 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 August 2021 at 15:07
I'm in a similar position. Ideally I'd like a 600mm lens with good quality.
I'm still on A-mount.

I have Tam 150-600G1. OK lens for the price. I've actually gotten some pretty good shots with it. I use it for A77ii.

The 400/4.5 is probably a better choice as a high quality performer. Paired with a 1.4x it could deliver good results.

300/2.8 won't fit my needs since it's not good enough for birding and other wild life.

70-400II is another very good performer.

But all these lenses are either not supported anymore or will cease to be supported very soon. So there's a certain risk that a high priced purchase might break and then become completely useless.

Give your question that you're looking for more than 200mm at a good quality, 300/2.8 or 300/f4 is an excellent choice. Also 400/4.5 if you want to go longer.

For 500mm or 600mm, a couple of interesting threads that are relevant.
Which 500 or 600

Sony 200-600 for birding
More Dyxumer, less photographer.
Back to Top
MinoltaMad View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie

Joined: 07 July 2009
Country: Australia
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Posts: 100
Post Options Post Options   Quote MinoltaMad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 August 2021 at 15:13
They are all excellent choices so not sure you have a wrong choice just what will be the most right for you? I have 1 and 3 on your list but use the Sony 70-400 way more often - just so versatile. I have both the I and II version of the 70-400 and the II is definitely better. There are quite a few of the mk2 version going for great prices (well within your budget) in good condition (Sony 70-400 SSM II) at the moment (mostly Japan - unfortunately for your tax/import reasons).
Back to Top
Basil View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 03 December 2009
Country: United States
Location: Minnesota
Status: Offline
Posts: 2561
Post Options Post Options   Quote Basil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 August 2021 at 15:42
I have your #2, #3 (first version) and the Tamron 150-600. Of those three lenses, I find myself using the 70-400 the most. I love the results that the Minolta 400/4.5 gives, especially when paired with my a850. But I find the flexibility of the Sony is what keeps it attached to my camera (a77ii) most of the time.

To see is to enjoy. To see beyond is to rejoice.

A77Mark II; A850; A700; A100; NEX 6; various film bodies and an ever-changing collection of lenses
Back to Top
addy landzaat View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 22 April 2006
Country: Netherlands
Location: Netherlands
Status: Offline
Posts: 11909
Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 August 2021 at 15:51
Originally posted by Rudolf_K Rudolf_K wrote:

3rd option, but I bit against it is Sony 70-400 SSM. But what I read, service and maintance with no space parts... Well, no, thanks. Seems to be redundancy is better for Minolta and I am realized that I am not very Sony boy... ;)
I do not understand what you mean by "redundancy" in this context, but there are also no parts for the Minolta lenses....

Anyway, Comparison of 70-400G v 400/4.5 on the A700. The prime is better. I thought it would be useful to share.

I find the 70-400G a nice lens, mostly good IQ. But it has some downsides.

What is the reason you want a longer lens? It might make a difference....

Edited by addy landzaat - 11 August 2021 at 15:57
Why not follow me on Instagram? @Addy_101
 



Back to Top
amrep View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 02 February 2015
Country: Norway
Status: Offline
Posts: 278
Post Options Post Options   Quote amrep Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 August 2021 at 16:55
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Anyway, Comparison of 70-400G v 400/4.5 on the A700. The prime is better.

This test is interesting. But I find no evidence to conclude like you. I agree with Gustav:
Originally posted by ijsvogel ijsvogel wrote:

My personal conclusion from this test is that the Sony did best at 400mm which is quite surprising. If we add the 1.4x tele converter, the Minolta does best again. Nevertheless, the differences are very small.


If the OP wants to shoot wild birds with his new lens, then my advice is very clear:
Get the Tamron 150-600mm G2 if it's in good condition! I have the G1 and I use it a lot more than my Minolta 400mm.

For video the SSM-type lens motors (like Tamron and Sony) are better.
Back to Top
addy landzaat View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 22 April 2006
Country: Netherlands
Location: Netherlands
Status: Offline
Posts: 11909
Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 August 2021 at 18:32
It is not my conclusion:
Originally posted by ijsvogel ijsvogel wrote:

Minolta 400 F4.5

Pros:
[...]
- Slightly sharper at 400mm and at 560mm with a TC

and
Originally posted by ijsvogel ijsvogel wrote:


Final conclusion
Those who want the best result still need to go with the faster Minolta lens


Why not follow me on Instagram? @Addy_101
Back to Top
LAbernethy View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 25 November 2015
Country: Canada
Location: Ajax, Ontario
Status: Offline
Posts: 2394
Post Options Post Options   Quote LAbernethy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 August 2021 at 23:37
well, It is a buyers market with those premium lenses at discount prices these days. In no particular order: The Tamron SP 150-600mm f/5-6.3 USD I'm "Meh" on. you really do need good light and a tripod with gimble to get the most out of it at 600mm, and mine hunts. I'm happier using it manual focus with an a77. The image quality is better than my Sigma 150-500mm but my Sigma is more handheld forgiving with a more reliable AF. The Minolta 300/2.8 is a boat anchor or millstone, pick your own metaphor. I had the Sony 300mm/2.8 out for three hours handheld, nothing but misery. If you "fish" from a blind, ok, "hunt handheld", no way. I've used the SAL70200G with the SAL14TC and SAL20TC / Sigma 70-200mm/2.8 with the matched 1.4 and 2.0 TC / Tamron 70-200mm/2.8 with 2.0 TC / Minolta AF 80-200mm/2.8 HS G with TC with best result out of the Sigma.
I always wanted the Minolta AF400/4.5 but couldn't justify the expense for my use case. In that 70-300mm range I actually like my SAL70300G, mine works really well on full frame and APS-C.

Edited by LAbernethy - 11 August 2021 at 23:46
Back to Top
TomV View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie

Joined: 29 September 2015
Country: United States
Location: Annapolis MD
Status: Offline
Posts: 44
Post Options Post Options   Quote TomV Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 September 2021 at 05:50
I have the Tamron A022 (2 copies) and the optics compare very well against the Sony 500 f/4 prime I have. I highly recommend it for the a850 since it can MFA. I shoot with the a99ii so have a wide and tele value, you may be limited to 1 value only. Test for various focal lengths, record those values, and pick the one you are shooting at for your session. It has focus limiting on the low end and high end too. This helps with AF speed. If it is still available I would pick that up. It is lighter than the 300/f2.8. If you are looking for range the 300 is limiting you. Minolta 300 has a fair amount of purple fringing as well. The Tamron is much better in this respect.

The SAL70400 is nice optically, the G2 AF is noticeably faster. The SAl70300 is nice but but I prefer the SAL70400 because of its range. It is lighter than the 400 when used as a walk-around lens.

The Minolta 400/f4 is a nice lens. Very sharp and good AF. But if the Tamron is still available get that.
TomV
Back to Top
Rudolf_K View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie

Joined: 27 January 2021
Country: Slovakia
Status: Offline
Posts: 19
Post Options Post Options   Quote Rudolf_K Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 September 2021 at 11:50
Well, thanks for your advices. In general, it still left me uncertain. Pretty much it is for me big investment and I want to be clear view and possibilies for new system (Fuji, Nikon, whatever). Finally, at least, I bought Kenko PRO 300 2x teleconverter for my 80-200 F2.8 for sunny days.

Otherwise the best for me, personally, I find that 300mm prime. Looking for samples I like that from Minolta 300 F4 also (reviews was not that good, but pictures are fine). But it is neck to neck. Sometimes it is not enough. Especially conditions in my garden on evening. Dark shines and shadows from our house. It is pretty good for expo like ISO800 or ISO1600, F2.8 and wish to be have good times (aka 1/200 or 1/350) for no motion blur. And find out exactly at 200mm when I cropped (or on APS-C) it is ok composition. But there is more noise. Well, DOF and whole frame on FF will be fine. So on, 300 F2.8 :)

Funny thing is that if I had A7 III with 200-600 I am almost on the same way as with A850 and 300 F2.8 on those situations. ISO6400 and F6.3 versus ISO1600 and F3.5. "Evolution".

I will see. Also support LA-EA5 on A7 IV. Last chance.

Back to Top
Dyxum main page >  Forum Home > Equipment forums > Lens Talk > A-mount lenses

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.156 seconds.

Monitor calibration strip

Dyxum.com - Home of the alpha system photographer

In memory of Cameron Hill - brettania

Feel free to contact us if needed.