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I'm not entirely sure why the pedipalps are this size Tue. The Opilionids in NZ haven't really been studied since the early 1950s.

Given the dimorphism between sexes, it's likely large pedipalps are perceived as more attractive to females. Or it may be better for dominating other males. (He was waving those pedipalps at my camera aggressively when I was herding him back on the leaf). Anyway, there are lots of possible reasons but not really any research to back it up.

I've got some more photos of this stout-legged harvestmen to process, and some of a long-legged harvestman yet to come. Unlike spiders, the Opilionids are not poisonous.

Good to hear that you are getting into the spiders . I agree that they can be very attractive at a morphological level. There are lots of shapes, colours and textures on their bodies- which suit macro-photography. I'm often surprised by the number of people who are afraid of them.

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Arachnophobia!That's one thing I don't understand...at least not here in Denmark. We haven't got any spiders that are slightly 'dangerous'...not even close! That said..erm...You wont ever see me getting close to swans or horses as they scare the **** out of me...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote tpetpe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 August 2009 at 05:38
Hry Tue, a friend who is generally not into spieders at all phoned me up the other day to say he had found a wonderfull spider, by the sound of it some kind of argiopae too. I couldnt beleive it when he told me but now it sounds like it is a genuine one. Don't beleive they dont hurt when they bite though. I can still remember when one got me (during pretty rough handling) when I was a child. I got quite a shock and it went for a short but unexpected flight.

chthoniid, gunny that they have such a vision orientated behaviour when their eyes are set so far back, the idea of them signalling with the pedipalps is great, if anyone finds out that they have similar behaviour to jumping spiders they will be all the rage for research again :). Shame noone has looked into them recently, facinating animals.

Just kidding about posting it (perhaps 1% serious), but so nice seeing things like that. There was a point when I sent some scorpions to a guy differentiating them by pcr and they turned up live, I wouldnt ask anyone to send though, if it turned up on a red list I should imagine its possible to get into a whole heap of trouble. I think denmark is almost exactly on the other side of the world so a fair way off too. If the harvest man wont go to mohommed it looks like it may be a case of having to go to the spider:)

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Wētāpunga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 August 2009 at 07:05
Okay, a couple more developed shots

I think this one is the best of the bunch

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Still trying to get the eyes and the pedipalps in the same focal plane

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And a 100% crop of the one from last night


I think this makes the eyes and the spikes a lot more obvious.

Edited by chthoniid - 24 August 2009 at 07:07
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Wow, that's one very interesting spider(?)! How small is it?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Wētāpunga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 August 2009 at 09:54
Thanks dogears- I think they're very interesting but not a lot of people share my opinion . Morphologically I don't think there is anything quite as strange-looking.

The body-length is 7-8mm long. That doesn't include the pedipalps (spiky, leg-like things in front). I was in no danger when it started threatening me.

It is an Opilionid, so not actually a spider. It is an arachnid however, albeit you cannot see its chelicerae. It shares the 8 legs of spiders however. The common names (in English) for Opilionids are Harvestmen.

They are a cryptic group that likes dark places. They are however, widely distributed, even if rarely seen.



 



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I think it is better that I refuse to acknowledge that such creatures exist in NZ. I do want to get some sleep at night.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Wētāpunga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 August 2009 at 23:36
Okay, this is the last of this 'stout-legged' harvestman. In this shot I was just trying to get all of the pedipalps in focus.


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The main lighting challenge here is the cuticle on the pedipals is large and waxy, hence reflecting light much more so than the rest of the animal.

I've got a much smaller long-legged harvestmen to display next.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Wētāpunga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2009 at 00:18
Okay, as promised/threatened this is first of my long-legged harvestman series.

It is of course, another Opilionid.


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This arachnid has very different pedipalps to the one above. These are both very hairy and its got a long thumb growing out of the pedipalps. I have never seen anything quite like this on an arthropod before.    

You can see the smaller 3 segmented chelicerae the animal bites between the pedipalps.

It has the standard 2 eyes on a mound on top of the carapace.

This guy was about 3-4mm long (body-wise) so the extra magnification has come from a Raynox 12x adapter (I didn't get many keepers). Shots are hand-held with lighting from a Sigma EM-140 flash.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Wētāpunga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2009 at 01:25
Show me the pedipalps


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Wētāpunga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2009 at 08:15
Let the weirdness continue

Grooming the legs takes a long time

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I am enjoying your posts chthoniid specially this one:

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Thanks dogears.

The NZ opilionid fauna is often very archaic in form, not just odd .

I have to say that I've seen a lot of microscopic creatures but nothing quite as strange as the long-legged harvestmen above. I can't even begin to classify it...

So, Dyxum is highly likely to be the first group of people ever to have seen this species. That doesn't happen every day surely?
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Last of the series





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