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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 2021 at 10:49
There is as much difference between the 7000, 7xi, 700si and the 7 as there is between the 7D, A700, A77 and A77m2.

Unlike Canon and Nikon, every Minolta AF generation was different. The 7xi and 700si were computerized cameras, like the A77 and A77m2. The A77 even looks like a better sized 7xi.

I think after 15 years Sony it is impossible to know how much Minolta is still in the Sony camera department.
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So, Mission completed?
I believe that when Sony took over Minolta's camera business, they had a roadmap in their minds to strip out as much as possible of the optics and mechanics and turn the cameras into purely electronic devices where their development and production strengths were.

A-mount was always (I think) a transitional step along the way to a mirrorless (and eventually shutterless) electronic camera. They've achieved their aims of changing the industry and making Nikon and canon's optical strengths nugatory (and their products archaic).

Time to draw the curtains on A mount. Many of us here will feel sad about that, but with the rise of the smartphone and the end of the consumer camera there was never going to be room for so many camera companies. I'm pleased that Sony is winning even if the price of that is the end of a much-loved series of cameras.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote LAbernethy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 2021 at 23:56
Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

So, Mission completed?
I believe that when Sony took over Minolta's camera business, they had a roadmap in their minds to strip out as much as possible of the optics and mechanics and turn the cameras into purely electronic devices where their development and production strengths were.

A-mount was always (I think) a transitional step along the way to a mirrorless (and eventually shutterless) electronic camera. They've achieved their aims of changing the industry and making Nikon and canon's optical strengths nugatory (and their products archaic).

Time to draw the curtains on A mount. Many of us here will feel sad about that, but with the rise of the smartphone and the end of the consumer camera there was never going to be room for so many camera companies. I'm pleased that Sony is winning even if the price of that is the end of a much-loved series of cameras.

was it? or have they run out of items in Minolta's R&D vault? Sony couldn't buy respect for their cameras so they bought Minolta's. Now that their own cameras are taken seriously, did A-Mount bridge the gap? I think yes.
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So why aren't leftover NOS bodies & lenses being sold at fire-sale prices?
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Probably because that would be an ILCE system not sold? A-lenses work pretty well on new ILCE bodies with the appropriate adapter so no need to discount?

I can't imagine Sony making any more A-mount lenses, TBH. And I'm curious when the last A-mount bodies were manufactured. The decision not to make new batches was probably taken months if not years ago? Does anyone know how camera companies do their manufacturing? Is there a minimum quantity to keep things profitable?
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They probably stopped production of the A-mount bodies in 2016 or not much after. I remember waiting for the A68 to come to my region. It was well after the A99II. They did have both the A68 and A99II use A77 like bodies which probably helped reduce manufacturing costs.

They did some minor sales around that time and then were fine with holding the retail price with the inventory left. There is no reason for them to discount anything A-mount. They make current owners happy by holding retail prices as it boosts the used values.

Used Sony A-mount gear prices are mostly increasing. I know a year or more ago used 24-70 ZA's were available for $400 and now those deals are gone. Supply of used items is dwindling.

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AFAIK cameras like the A99m2 are made in batches. The last will be a couple of years ago, but surely after 2016. In October 2016 Sony said the demand was high and they expected delays. In November 2016 Sony Hong Kong expected to full-fill orders no earlier then March 2017. In Februari 2017 there were delivery problems in the USA. I think the A99m2 did better then most expected. But when they produced the last batch? I do not know.

I doubt Sony overproduced A-mount cameras. Therefore, there is no use for a fire sale. Fire sales happen when companies over produce and/or shops over stock. It is a good sign there is no fire sale.

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The fire sale started two years ago in Norway and ended last year. One of the larger consumer electronics retail chains had too many A68 in stock. A new A68 with warranty (and of course also with kit lens) got a 50% rebate (sold for about $250) and gradually the price went down to about $150 for the last few copies.

This clearance sale was an obvious hint at the fate of A-mount. The retailer must have got some info from Sony (as was also reported from Sweden).

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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2021 at 17:23
It was a four year old camera they had in stock that was not selling. I doubt they needed any info from Sony

US$250 is about 200,- that is less then the used price.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote amrep Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2021 at 18:30
It seems like you count years in a strange way.
To me 2019 - 2016 = 3 years.

(By the way, the same retailer is now offering a 25% rebate on the A5100 introduced back in 2014. The difference is striking.)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote MisterAndrew Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2021 at 18:39
I would still buy an A99II if I came across a good deal, but the prices are still too high for a 5 year old camera. I paid about $900 USD for my A900 when it was the same age and it was mint with low shutter count. It's looking like going with an E-mount for my next body is the right choice. I can just keep the lens adapter on it until I get some E-mount lenses. My biggest complaint with the E-mount bodies is the ergonomics. I picked up a Canon EOS R and it was very comfortable. Sony can do better!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2021 at 18:42
The A6000 has always been discounted but not constantly. The A5100 less often. The A6000 has definitely been the entry drug for E-mount. The A5100 must get enough sales to justify its continued existence.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2021 at 19:20
Originally posted by amrep amrep wrote:

It seems like you count years in a strange way.
To me 2019 - 2016 = 3 years.
I see, you said "two years ago" not, like I thought, "last year" - my bad. Still, they simply had to much stock.

25% off the A5100? E-mount must be dead

Without kidding, it sounds like that shop does not know how to maintain stock. No Dutch shop has stock of the A5100 body or A5100 with kitlens. I can only find one shop with the A5100 two lens kit, more expensive then I would be willing to pay (729,-).
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