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Originally posted by dCap dCap wrote:

The kodak of today is like the nokia of today (yes, also still an active brand, but now with a different niche) ... neither are the original companies though, just all new people who've bought those household names.

At least with Olympus the staff/factories will continue with their new owner rather than start from scratch like new Kodak and new Nokia.
Actually, there is no new Nokia: of course, in the consumer market the brand is best known for the mobile phones, but despite that the company did spun off its phone business (initially to Microsoft and now has licenced the marquee to HMD Mobile), Nokia Corporation did not cease to exist, it just concentrated on the network business, which obviously gets far less attention from the general population.
 



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Originally posted by dCap dCap wrote:

The kodak of today is like the nokia of today (yes, also still an active brand, but now with a different niche) ... neither are the original companies though, just all new people who've bought those household names.
Not quite. Kodak was not bought by some outside owner. It is unlike Polaroid.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote LAbernethy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 December 2020 at 15:12
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:



If you want to be in a mount that might become a zombie in a couple of years, in order of likelihood:
Nikon F
Canon EF
Pentax K (yes, I think it will survive beyond F and EF-mount)
L-mount (with three camera makers, it might be around for a while)


Nikon and the F-Mount is the most likely. While shopping around for a replacement for a failing a77 and patiently awaiting the rumored a77 Mark3, the Nikon D500 was on the top of my list. It still ticks all my boxes
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 December 2020 at 18:49
Originally posted by dCap dCap wrote:

Originally posted by skm.sa100 skm.sa100 wrote:

Does this mean the A-mount is dead?


perhaps zombie is the more appropriate phrase?

I started using Miranda cameras (hence the sig) more or less about the time they stopped being made (Dixons **** **** bought the name and dropped the quality). Used them for years, until the lens diaphragms all lost their ability to close and I got tired of dismantling them to correct it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 December 2020 at 18:59
Nikon F will be a good choice if you want a mount that will disappear. Nikon is not in a position to maintain two mounts. I doubt we will see a D500 replacement. Off sensor AF is losing its disadvantages and it has some advantages (like eye-AF).

If you could stretch it, I would also take a look at the D850. Having said this, according to Thom Hogan, the Nikon D500 is "still the best crop sensor camera for action. A solid-but-modest update would keep it so. With less neglect, an iterated model could have been the best crop sensor camera, period."
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dCap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 December 2020 at 19:59
I always forget that Nokia (proper) did/does other things, so, yeah, I was referencing the consumer facing business. Respected network kit me thinks. It is a bit like people think of Amazon as just an online shopping place (when their main business is mid-range cloud storage for business). But I honestly thought Kodak was total zero and then the sale of the logo/name. Didn't know some routes were retained.

Voigtlander is another that falls into this space. But at least they re-invented some class gear rather than low end stuff (Nokia smartphone phones are mainly a bit rubbish, I've got one as a tester - awful thing).

Nikon F will be the weirdest thing to see halt production (if it ever does) as that was the only mainstream one that retained the mount from MF to AF. I would not be surprized to see Nikon put out another Df-type body as a niche line to keep some people away from Pentax. They can continue making small batches of the 50/1.2 and 4-5 other AIS primes since the optics are a decades old design. IF they want to do that? Timing will be interesting, especially as Nikon/Canon are very much in the catch-up zone. And now Sony just put out their A7C to offer something different.

I would have loved to have seen Canon AND Nikon join the Sony FE mount instead of start over. Wonder if there were ever high-level failed talks about it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 December 2020 at 21:27
Originally posted by dCap dCap wrote:

Voigtlander is another that falls into this space. But at least they re-invented some class gear rather than low end stuff
The Voigtländer name is owned by the German chain Ringfoto and it is licensed to Cosina who makes the lenses.

Polaroid (aka Polaroid Originals aka Impossible) is a reputable instant camera and paper/film producer. But the name Polaroid was put on a lot unrelated stuff.

Kodak film still is good. Little changed there. But it is a complicated story as it has to do with a British pension fund and spin off from the original Kodak.
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Originally posted by LAbernethy LAbernethy wrote:

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Any suggestions as to which camera company or mount I should put an end to next. My record is uncanny Olympus OM, Kodak, Minolta, Olympus Four Thirds, Sony A-mount, Olympus (not dead yet but organs are being harvested).


That's some impressive skills

I don't think any business plan survives contact with the market. As far as I can tell, camera sales have been sliding, significantly, for several years (which is perhaps odd as I've never owned more cameras than I do today).

For the A-mount, a low market share for the A-mount, in a market that sells less and less cameras, is a difficult thing to sustain. (Hence likely the reason Sony pulled the A-mount out of the NZ market completely, when I was eyeing up the a99ii).

The Sony a7 came out in 2013. It's now almost 2021. I wonder how many of us in this period have partly, or fully, adopted the E-mount in this period. I suspect the change has been significant.
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Polaroid (aka Polaroid Originals aka Impossible) is a reputable instant camera and paper/film producer. But the name Polaroid was put on a lot unrelated stuff.
And this Polaroid case is truely complex: the original company at some point gave up the instant film business and already then the brand had ended up in various other uses. Few brave souls then decided to save the instant film and bought the former Polaroid Enschede factory and started to develop new instant film products compatible with the old cameras under marquee Impossible Project. Eventually Impossible Project succeeded in redeveloping the instant film and bit later licenced the Polaroid brand (as Polaroid Originals) and finally managed to buy this brand and then renamed the company.
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Originally posted by Wētāpunga Wētāpunga wrote:

Originally posted by LAbernethy LAbernethy wrote:

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Any suggestions as to which camera company or mount I should put an end to next. My record is uncanny Olympus OM, Kodak, Minolta, Olympus Four Thirds, Sony A-mount, Olympus (not dead yet but organs are being harvested).


That's some impressive skills

I don't think any business plan survives contact with the market. As far as I can tell, camera sales have been sliding, significantly, for several years (which is perhaps odd as I've never owned more cameras than I do today).

For the A-mount, a low market share for the A-mount, in a market that sells less and less cameras, is a difficult thing to sustain. (Hence likely the reason Sony pulled the A-mount out of the NZ market completely, when I was eyeing up the a99ii).

The Sony a7 came out in 2013. It's now almost 2021. I wonder how many of us in this period have partly, or fully, adopted the E-mount in this period. I suspect the change has been significant.


Having reread the DPReview for the A7 from Jan. 22 2014 I'm still scratching my head as to "Why". No Image stabilization, My Minolta 7D had image stabilization!?! I think it came down to the a99mark2 as the last thing in the Minolta R&D vault.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 December 2020 at 07:42
Originally posted by LAbernethy LAbernethy wrote:

"Why"
I think that's pretty easy to answer, it's smaller, lighter, less moving parts and less components so easier to manufacture. And while the initial A7, A7s and A7r don't have image stabilisation all the later A7/9 models have it.

And image stabilization is nice but I consider it far from essential, it helps a bit but is no panacea. I used to shoot with an A7 and hardly missed it and still use my A6000 and NEX6 and don't miss it on those either, just bump your iso a bit to be a little more safe with regard to shutter speed and the amount of sharp pictures is essentially the same.
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Most early E- and FE-Mount lenses had OSS, because all Canon and Nikon folks said in lens image stabilisation was better. So, there was no reason to add IBIS for Sony, or at least, so they thought. Then A-mount people started complaining and the classic lens crowd followed - the rest is history, as they say.

I do not know how much Minolta is still in the Sony camera department. Like Minolta, Sony is a technological company: unlike Canon/Nikon, the handling of Minolta cameras from generation to generation changed a lot - so does Sony (even if they keep some annoying quirks). I also wonder how many Minolta engineers went to other camera makers - did any of you see the Fuji VG-GFX1?

Oh, almost forgot. One of the reasons I like Sony cameras is because they are technical, almost industrial. I am weird like that
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I don’t imagine that the first a7 generation persuaded many of us to sell all our A-mount gear and get into the E-mount, but I suspect it started the transition for some. I didn’t mind the lack of stabilisation as I was shooting with an a7R almost always on a tripod. By 2014 Sony had the second generation a7 range out and they had 5 axis in-body stabilisation. Now after 6 years, surely many more of us are for the most part (or entirely), E-mount shooters. The biggest use my a77ii this year has been as a webcam for Zoom calls and the like...

The A-mount camera I enjoyed the most was the a900. It was just so much fun to shoot with. But even that had to, on one occasion had to have the mirror assembly repaired when it fell apart during a shoot. Mirror-less cameras promised to be more reliable and the smaller size advantage for travel (some of us did a lot of this before 2020...).

For a while I regarded the two mounts as complementary but this year I got an a7riii, and this seemed to be a mirrorless camera that was a genuine replacement to the DSLR/SLT A mount cameras I’ve used.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 December 2020 at 09:02
Maybe E-mount cameras get most of the talk , but looking at the latest polls "what's your primary camera" and "what's your backup camera" it seems that A-mount is still a majority here (among the people who filled out the poll)
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