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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

I doubt a pinky extension can replace a full grip

I commonly used my A99ii fully dressed, but my A9 included the Sony grip extension and I don't feel any pressure yet to buy its battery grip.

The simple grip extension very adequately accommodates my pinky but adds very little weight. Weight of equipment has been important to me since I injured my arm.

There are disadvantages, but not so great as to have me checking the price of the battery grip in the Boxing Day sales:
  • No second battery, but the grip quickly pivots away if I need to swap
  • No tripod socket, but long lenses have tripod collars and I haven't wanted a tripod with a wider lens (yet)
  • No duplicate control set when shooting in portrait - okay, I do miss that a bit
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I was one of the first here to see the advantages of mirrorless and knew the end was near for the a mount. I caught a little grief here and their from members who couldn’t conceive the eventual end of a mount. I was lucky and able to sell my a mount glass at premium prices though I still miss my Minolta 85 1.4. Maybe I was lucky but I could also see Sony being number 1 in the camera industry which I think their on their way to becoming. The younger generation of shooters has really been keen on picking up and using Sony mirrorless. Any ways for those of you still contemplating the mirrorless Sony’s are really good and Definately worth it. My two cents. Cheers and happy holidays.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Heidfirst Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 December 2020 at 12:37
Originally posted by stiuskr stiuskr wrote:

Amazon has two G2's listed, one in Japan and the other is in NYC..

https://www.amazon.com/Tamron-150-600mm-5-0-6-3-Cameras-Warranty/dp/B01LNSAXX6

They don't show up on the Amazon UK site. Even looking at the Amazon US site I only see the one in NY & I am not paying $2300 + shipping + import tax for a s/h lens (& probably unwarrantied in Europe) that would have cost $1200 new.
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I'm still with my a77ii with a65 backup. I really want to get a ff for astro and portrait work soon. I bought a used Mino 85 1.4 from a member here this year. I love it and want to continue using it and my other Minolta lenses, especially the macros. 99m2, a7r3, or a7r4? Still very confusing. I'll have to see how much I sell in my upcoming exhibit. I've spent a small fortune on it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 December 2020 at 17:25
Originally posted by C_N_RED_AGAIN C_N_RED_AGAIN wrote:

I was one of the first here to see the advantages of mirrorless and knew the end was near for the a mount. I caught a little grief here and their from members who couldn’t conceive the eventual end of a mount.
Well, well, a trailblazer

We had our discussions back when, but I think you tended to misunderstand me. I would say I saw the advantages of mirrorless before you did. In fact, I had the original Nex 5, the Nex 3F and A6000 before your first e-mount camera. But I also saw the disadvantages. Now, a couple of years after we had or discussions, mirrorless AF is better then DSLR/DSLT AF.
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Originally posted by Heidfirst Heidfirst wrote:

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They don't show up on the Amazon UK site. Even looking at the Amazon US site I only see the one in NY & I am not paying $2300 + shipping + import tax for a s/h lens (& probably unwarrantied in Europe) that would have cost $1200 new.


Likewise. Nothing appears on the Amazon NZ site either. Plus the non-trivial shipping costs to NZ, the tax, issues with warranties and just the sheer delay of getting it makes seeking out unsold stock or 2nd hand copies, unattractive.

I don't think the availability or 'option' of the Tamron is really on par with being able to walk into one of 3 Auckland camera stores, and walk out with a brand new E mount 200-600mm G lens, with warranties etc, that day.
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Originally posted by C_N_RED_AGAIN C_N_RED_AGAIN wrote:

...Any ways for those of you still contemplating the mirrorless Sony’s are really good and Definately worth it. My two cents. Cheers and happy holidays.


It is hard selling off some treasured A-mount lenses, and (personally) I waited too long to get good prices. OTOH, I did want to have enough money to get the setup I wanted in about the first iteration- without previous cycles of churning through lenses trying to find lenses I wanted, and then ending up with too many.

OTOH, I have some new lenses that I really like. I mean, I thought my Minolta macro lenses or the STF lens was sharp. The Voigtlander 110mm is at an entire new level compared to them. The Zeiss lenses achieve a sharpness across the whole frame I like for my landscapes. It's much easier getting the images I strive for.

My impression is once Sony put in-body stabilisation into their A7 cameras, and figured out that you could put PDAF focus points direct on the sensor, the most important advantages of the A-mount disappeared.



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Post Options Post Options   Quote C_N_RED_AGAIN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 December 2020 at 23:12
Yea we had a few discussions on the subject. 😂. After catching some disgruntlement from a mount users I just kept mum. Now Nikon and canon old guard are going through the same thing. They will phase out their mirrored cams as well. Just a matter of time.
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Originally posted by C_N_RED_AGAIN C_N_RED_AGAIN wrote:

Yea we had a few discussions on the subject. 😂. After catching some disgruntlement from a mount users I just kept mum. Now Nikon and canon old guard are going through the same thing. They will phase out their mirrored cams as well. Just a matter of time.

These companies are moving after sales and profit. Making a new mount is what forces people to buy new lenses.This is just business strategy, everything else is marketting to push consumers to upgrade.
They could have removed the mirror and bring mirrorless to their current mount, but that wouldnt give as much income as forcing everyone to dump their current system.

Sony was pretty close to that with their slt cameras and the a99ii is the closest to that reality.
The reason we see currently an advantage from emount is just because sony stopped inovating their amount products, if that was not the case the gap would be less visible or even unexisting.

Back to the topic, sony as yet to say it has discontinued their a-mount products, everything else is pure speculations. The day will come and when it does Im sure our cameras and lenses will continue to work as they do now.




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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 December 2020 at 08:58
Originally posted by vitor vitor wrote:

They could have removed the mirror and bring mirrorless to their current mount, but that wouldnt give as much income as forcing everyone to dump their current system.
They could, but they would also have left a lot of advantages on the table that come from moving the mount much closer to the sensor, like the ability to design lenses with their rear element further back and the ability to adapt all kinds of heritage lenses. So I am glad they didn't and developed something new. No mount lives on in eternity, even Nikon's famous and longest living F-mount is not on their mirrorless cameras and replaced by a new Z-mount. Same thing for Canon who even uses different mounts between APS-C and FF mirrorless cameras.
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Originally posted by pegelli pegelli wrote:

Originally posted by vitor vitor wrote:

They could have removed the mirror and bring mirrorless to their current mount, but that wouldn't give as much income as forcing everyone to dump their current system.
They could, but they would also have left a lot of advantages on the table that come from moving the mount much closer to the sensor, like the ability to design lenses with their rear element further back and the ability to adapt all kinds of heritage lenses.

Indeed there are some technical advantages to a have a shorter distance between the mount and sensor plane, the most important one is the simplification on lens design for wide angle lenses - no need for retrofocal lens design.

There are some downsides too on creating a new system and Sony has made several iterations until they got it right or close to. I have got into e-mount since the nex-5 and they have come a long way polishing the system and their lens lineup, they needed 10 years to do that.

My point was that the inovations we are seeing on the e-mount system could as easily be done on a SLT design camera which is a more mature system. In practice they already dropped the OVF it just needed to drop the mirror and improve the OSPDAF as they did with the a9 a9ii.

As you said systems are replaced from time to time so a-mount will come to an end, as did sr-mount before that.
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I tend to disagree that they could have used the old mount. Pentax tried this with the Pentax K-01 and the technology in 2012 was not ready. SLR lenses are not made for contrast detect AF. In 2013 Sony introduced on sensor phase detect AF with the NEX 6. With the A6000, the Sigma MC-11 gave me phase-detect AF with my Sigma 35/1.4. Though the experience is better then the (contrast only) LA-EA3 with the A-mount version of that lens, the AF with the A77m2 is clearly better.

Now, I think my Canon 24-70/4L is a fine general purpose lens with the MC-11. In 2018, when Chris and I had our discussions, we were at a tipping point. The A99m2 was a better camera then the A7r2 and close to the A7r3. No DSLR on the market now has better AF then mirrorless cameras (well, maybe the Nikon D6 for sports/wildlife), case in point are all the Canon EOS 1Dx III reviews stating its AF in live view is better then the viewfinder AF.

Two other reasons why I disagree that replacing A-mount by E-mount was a money grab. First history, Sony introduced the NEX E-mount cameras when they saw the success of the m3/4 cameras. They clearly decided to make the smallest camera they could: the NEX 3 and NEX 5. I think it was intended as being additional to A-mount cameras. They would have made a bigger mount if they were thinking they would be replacing the A900/A99 series with this new mount. So, Sony kept making A-mount cameras for years and the A7 series at first were targeted as additional to the A-mount cameras: one small general purpose camera, another high mega pixel art camera and a video centric camera - next to the semi-professional A77 and A99 cameras.

The other reason I doubt it was a money grab is because changing mounts is really expensive. Olympus, Leica and Contax never made the move from manual focus SLR mounts to Autofocus mounts. Leica did not even try, Olympus tried but decided it was too difficult and it took Contax until 2000 to introduce their first AF SLR. Pentax waited until 1975 to replace the M42 mount for K-mount. If it was easy and cheap Sony would not have bothered with buying Minolta or the adapters: They would just introduced the new mount.
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

I tend to disagree that they could have used the old mount. Pentax tried this with the Pentax K-01 and the technology in 2012 was not ready.

In 2010 Sony introduced SLT, which is a hybrid solution (EVF + PDAF), a step in the direction of the mirrorless approach. In 2016 they already had the technology to remove SLT and use OSPDAF (a99II Hybrid AF). In 2020 they are bringing an adapter (EA5) to E-mount that proves that it can be done natively.

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

No DSLR on the market now has better AF then mirrorless cameras (well, maybe the Nikon D6 for sports/wildlife), case in point are all the Canon EOS 1Dx III reviews stating its AF in live view is better then the viewfinder AF.

You acknowledge that the A99II isn't a DSLR in its true sense right? The hybrid AF (using both PDAF+OSPDAF) performance is only limited by the lower performance of its internal processor - when compared with the A9(II). I would like to see a A99III with similar specs so we could have a fair comparison.

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Two other reasons why I disagree that replacing A-mount by E-mount was a money grab.

I wasn't referring specifically to Sony introduction of E-mount, but in a more general sense as a business strategy. This its just a fact.

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

First history, Sony introduced the NEX E-mount cameras when they saw the success of the m3/4 cameras. They clearly decided to make the smallest camera they could: the NEX 3 and NEX 5. I think it was intended as being additional to A-mount cameras. They would have made a bigger mount if they were thinking they would be replacing the A900/A99 series with this new mount. So, Sony kept making A-mount cameras for years and the A7 series at first were targeted as additional to the A-mount cameras: one small general purpose camera, another high mega pixel art camera and a video centric camera - next to the semi-professional A77 and A99 cameras.

I agree with you that the initial move was to be a complimentary offer to A-mount. Later they realized the potential they could have with it and that changed the company strategy to milk that cow.

Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

The other reason I doubt it was a money grab is because changing mounts is really expensive. Olympus, Leica and Contax never made the move from manual focus SLR mounts to Autofocus mounts. Leica did not even try, Olympus tried but decided it was too difficult and it took Contax until 2000 to introduce their first AF SLR. Pentax waited until 1975 to replace the M42 mount for K-mount. If it was easy and cheap Sony would not have bothered with buying Minolta or the adapters: They would just introduced the new mount.


Sony (E-mount), Nikon (1-Mount) and Canon (EF-M) had mounts comercially available as complimentary to their "Pro" series system. Canon and Nikon are working hard to bring their new mirrorless offers up to speed.
To companies its all about return of investment and long term business continuity, not how much it will cost to create a new product line.

Regarding Minolta acquisition it was an long term investment, Sony benefit from all the IP that was part of the deal and is used in current E-mount cameras. Building a new system from scratch is very different than reusing technology that is shared across product lines. Having knowledge and IP is a speedup you can't just ignore.

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It would have been incredibly stupid to keep the a-mount for a mirrorless system. The flange distance was a necessary evil to allow a mirror box. The groundbreaking lens design Sony has developed for e-mount would not have been possible.
It is much smarter to provide an adapter for a modular system.
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