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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2022 at 11:47
The speed and aperture figures are easy.
Aperture: as wide as possible
Shutter speed: for flying birds at least 1/2000s, for stationary birds 1/350s or faster
iso: I dare get as high as 12800iso. That requires some () de-noising. So I prefer lower iso values.

Just as an example

1/1250s iso6400


1/2000s iso6400


Faster would have been even better, but there wasn't enough light

Edited by Dopol - 10 January 2022 at 11:54
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2022 at 12:17
You found a good spot for Kingfishers. Now you can practice.
I guess 1/2000 sec should be enough to freeze movement. I see the light circumstances were very challenging, the birds are poorly lit. The sharpness could be better, but I don't know if this is due to movement or due to missing the focus. Knowing you there will be many more stunning photos to come. Can't wait to see them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2022 at 13:13
TYSM Domien!
(@ Hans- IMHO Domien is past the practicing stage? he can do it.
also IMHO- pics like that are always tricky?).   

as wide as possible... is my idea, but nowadays often overdoing it. ;)
and a pitfall if beaks/bills and eyes are not within the same focal plane.
(some birds happen to have very long faces ;), some dogs, rabbits, ..... as well, in order to get them sharp from nose to ears. sometimes pics like that w/b welcome too?
for me trying to shoot a nest full of jumping storks, trying to get all 3 in focus @ 400+mm, became such a challenge ...long ago).

12800! (A99 here, not going to happen seen it excel in producing noise @ 'just' 1600 - 2000 iso, depending on the BG, at times 6400 looks okay).

gorgeous little birdie! love the droplets!
I seem to have a kingfisher of my own, lives in a 'park' 2 blocks away.
tried 1 test shot last year, in the lousy january light, @ 300mm. a dot on the opposite bank! but luckily we have Gustav (aka ijsvogeltje), who told us to set up a camp, a hide + perch, a branch of some sort, very clever! and to toss fish feed in front of it. can't wait! I only need a G lens now? (A99 seems to detest speed though). would so love to test myself with gear like yours. chances are, it will be tricky anyway. kudos!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2022 at 16:27
Yes sorry
Domien is a pro
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2022 at 16:36
I only wanted to emphasize that some circumstances are so difficult that even for a pro like Domien and even with the gear he has (top of the bill) making a picture is very hard. In those circumstances even a pro has to practice. Besides that, only honours to Domien and his work. I enjoy it every time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2022 at 19:09
Hans, sorry! didn't mean to criticise YOU! no offense intended!
all I meant was that IMnincompoopO, Domien already successfully completed his training. and we expect him to treat us to more awesome pics. (LOL)
more seriously, confident he knows how to do it by now?
(I never got further than shooting gulls/storks/ducks and the like, nothing but easy subjects).

fact though- the men-with-gear, Peter, Domien, Ken, no particular order, have left us, mere mortals, way behind. and up the bar went, almost out of sight.
a totally different league, an understatement. and frustration?
 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2022 at 19:28
No offense taken!!!

I was merely thinking about those circumstances where I don't even raise my camera to take a picture because failure is imminent.
I am also on the first steps on the BIF ladder and when I look up I see Domien somewhere way up above looking down upon us with a big smile.    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2022 at 19:34
I made my first step yesterday .

But,Domien is far out of sight for me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 January 2022 at 08:09

It's more a question (or quest) to be in the right spot at the right time than anything else.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 January 2022 at 09:13
Originally posted by Dopol Dopol wrote:


It's more a question (or quest) to be in the right spot at the right time than anything else.


Agree. And not only in a case of taking picture of flying bird.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 January 2022 at 11:05
And even a sparrow in your garden can be a an interesting and thankful subject.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 January 2022 at 11:34
Originally posted by Dopol Dopol wrote:


It's more a question (or quest) to be in the right spot at the right time than anything else.

agree that would help...?

as would eye-AF focus? (seen the dogs thread? Joe also decided to join the Club! :)). I assume, since it seems to work like a charm? (compared to aiming at an eye like mere mortals do, which I still consider to be top sports ).
but then- any fine instrument is worthless, unless in capable hands ...including yours!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 January 2022 at 12:10
wondering... about the definition of an eye. did any of you ever come across an eye it didn't recognize? ever tried it on insects??   

(shot many a flying insect, on MF as well. butterflies however are still way out of my league (with the exception of the hummingbird hawk-moth, called 'hummingbird Butterfly' in dutch, which doesn't flutter in all directions), impossible to predict, never in a straight line.
it w/b so cool to capture butterflies in flight -if I can find any!-, with or without a little motion blur, that they are high on the wishlist. thought about insect traps.
would a camera with eye-AF on board be able to track them?).
ever tried it with a macro lens attached?
impossible Q presumably, forgive me?    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 January 2022 at 13:10
How not to...

Shutterspeed to long, iso to low, IBIS switched off. Because you took some pictures with your camera on a tripod, without resetting to hand-held settings.



Oh, the eye-AF was switched on human...
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